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All you have made is a statement, just because you say it ....means squat!!!......prove your "goodwill" show me some proof other than supporting militancy (which no sane person will accept as goodwill) that shows that Pakistan is helping the Kashmiri's because you genuiinely care about them and not because of the land!!!

Or do you accept that India helped Bangladeshi's because of pure goodwill and you're reciprocating in Kashmir??

I dont really think you have any evidence.....but Ill be eagerly waiting.

The division between the two Kashmirs is especially painful for refugees who fled Indian Kashmir after the insurgency erupted there in 1990 and Indian troops occupied the area. Many now live in camps of cement huts, receiving generous allowances from the Pakistan government. But most left behind parents, siblings and other relatives and have had virtually no contact with them in a decade. Despite their yearning for reunion, however, refugees living in camps here voice especially unyielding opinions about the futility of talks with India. Their memories of humiliation and harassment at the hands of Indian troops are still vivid, and many are convinced that India's offer to negotiate is a trick.


Article by Pamela Constable
The Washington Post, July 4, 2001

India's 750 000 troops in Kashmir have killed over 80 000 innocent people since 1988!

Moreover, Azad Kashmir is an independent region and a self-governing state under Pakistani control but is not constitutionally part of Pakistan. It has its own elected president, prime minister, legislature, high court, and official flag.

No one can question Pakistan's goodwill with Kashmiris.
 
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Err Gentlemen.

The subject of this thread relates to India & BD. Difficult as it may be, could we keep J&K out of this ?
 
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@Al Zakir

I think u r paid to spread false propaganda against India.

That's new though I am wondering who and how much dough being paid to me for my service. Got to check my account..........:smokin:
 
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Now,apparently Mr.Geologist here has no idea about "Dead rivers".The fact that rivers can die and form permanent land,is not even inside his brain.

Congratulations for yet another strawman. How many strawmen do you have, can I borrow one.:cheesy:

You better read this to get things into your head Mr.Geologist.

Bangladesh drying up as India withdrawing Ganges water

the flow of the once-mighty river Ganges (Padma) has decreased alarmingly due to withdrawal of water at Farakka point in India, leading to drying up of at least 15 of its tributaries.


For full report:
HOLIDAY > FRONT PAGE

Drying up of 15 tributaries already,so within few years there will be no Padma.

Dang. I asked for a scholarly research work and all I get is a newsreport, which makes a mention, in the passing, of ‘drying’ up of ‘tributaries’, and not of ‘dead rivers’. Back to square one. My expectations are running in the negatives now. Anyway.

First a little Geology 101. ‘Tributary’ is a stream/river that discharges its water into the mainstream (in this case Padma) while the source lies somewhere else. Tributaries, are in fact the sources (secondary source for Padma) of a river. ‘Distributary’, on the other hand, is a stream/river that originates from the mainstream and discharges water somewhere else, or sometimes, even come back to the mainstream. Distributaries are the ones that actually drain the mainstream.

For example, Mathabhanga is a right bank distributary of Padma, but Churni, which originates from Mathabhanga is a left bank tributary of Hoogly. In other words, Mathabhanga is draining Padma and contributing to Hoogly (It seems, that even Ms Nature has become a part of the Indian cabal, because earlier Mathabhanga was not connected to Churni, but now it is.)

A tributary dries up when its source dries up (duh!), which may lead to the drying up of the mainstream where it discharges its water. So if 15 ‘tributaries’ dry up, there is a possibility that Padma will dry up. But Farakka Barrage is on Ganges (Padma), and has no influence on the streams/rivers (tributaries) flowing into the Padma, after the Farakka barrage. (Tributaries flowing into Ganges before the Farakka barrage, of course are effected by the barrage). So how is Farakka connected to drying up of these 15 ‘tributaries’. Less water in Padma means that the distributaries will get less water, which may eventually dry up permanently if significant silting happens on their river beds. The news report only discusses the effect of Farakka barrage on Padma, but fails to provide any significant insight into how this effect on Padma is drying up its ‘tributaries’, i.e. the streams/rivers that are actually bringing in water into Padma.

My query therefore, remains unanswered. Why am I not surprised.

Now, to recapitulate, once again, your argument was (post #147) Farakka is drying up Padma and thereby creating land (you had a picture of a dry river bed, to go along with that argument, as means to emphasize your point.). Now, in post #177, you are implying that ‘tributaries’ of Padma are drying up, and creating land, not Padma itself. From, drying of Padma = land, to sandbars on Padma = land, to drying up of ‘tributaries’ of Padma = land. Shifting goalpost as we go along. That happens when one jumps into the mud thinking it’s a chocolate mash.


But you will still not consider it permanent.As you are ignorant.

You can call me anything you feel like, I will not complain.:enjoy:.

At the start of your post, I thought I heard the promise of a dinner. All I got was a dessert, that too a lousy one.
 
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P.S.

Your continuous ranting and terming us "BDwhiners" proves that you are not worthy of a debate.And also shows your cheap mentality.

I never term "Idiot Indians" just because I know one idiot who happens to be an Indian.

You can preach this to your fellow BD members who start threads in this section just to complain against India. This doesn’t give out any impression other than that BD members love whining. Your ‘insightful’ contributions in those threads don't exactly put you on a different plane than their standpoint. So I suggest you cut down this holier-than-thou act of yours.

And before you accuse me of anything, remember, I had merely asked for a reference from your ‘SeaGull sir’ to back up his claim. It was you who started acting high and mighty, without understanding the nuances of my argument.


I am sure you are one of those hardcore anti-BD bengalis/Indian.This is not Bharat-Rhakshak,so your blabbering will not be cheered here,as there are some sane Indian members in this forum.
There are sane Bangladeshis as well. Unfortunately, I am not conversing with one. And Puhlease...give Bharat-Rakshak a rest.
 
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The division between the two Kashmirs is especially painful for refugees who fled Indian Kashmir after the insurgency erupted there in 1990 and Indian troops occupied the area. Many now live in camps of cement huts, receiving generous allowances from the Pakistan government. But most left behind parents, siblings and other relatives and have had virtually no contact with them in a decade. Despite their yearning for reunion, however, refugees living in camps here voice especially unyielding opinions about the futility of talks with India. Their memories of humiliation and harassment at the hands of Indian troops are still vivid, and many are convinced that India's offer to negotiate is a trick.


Article by Pamela Constable
The Washington Post, July 4, 2001

India's 750 000 troops in Kashmir have killed over 80 000 innocent people since 1988!

Moreover, Azad Kashmir is an independent region and a self-governing state under Pakistani control but is not constitutionally part of Pakistan. It has its own elected president, prime minister, legislature, high court, and official flag.

No one can question Pakistan's goodwill with Kashmiris.

So you did second my statement....We helped BD and its refugees during '71 and still continue to do so with millions of Bengali's living in India......
Similarly Pakistan is sponsoring Kashmiri refugees and helping them out....

I applaud Pakistan's efforts towards Kashmiri refugees, but the same respect should be shown to India as well for its efforts towards BD....its an apples to apples comparison....

If we agree on the above.....We are on the same page

Thanks for sharing the information with me BTW.
 
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Congratulations for yet another strawman. How many strawmen do you have, can I borrow one.:cheesy:



Dang. I asked for a scholarly research work and all I get is a newsreport, which makes a mention, in the passing, of ‘drying’ up of ‘tributaries’, and not of ‘dead rivers’. Back to square one. My expectations are running in the negatives now. Anyway.

First a little Geology 101. ‘Tributary’ is a stream/river that discharges its water into the mainstream (in this case Padma) while the source lies somewhere else. Tributaries, are in fact the sources (secondary source for Padma) of a river. ‘Distributary’, on the other hand, is a stream/river that originates from the mainstream and discharges water somewhere else, or sometimes, even come back to the mainstream. Distributaries are the ones that actually drain the mainstream.

For example, Mathabhanga is a right bank distributary of Padma, but Churni, which originates from Mathabhanga is a left bank tributary of Hoogly. In other words, Mathabhanga is draining Padma and contributing to Hoogly (It seems, that even Ms Nature has become a part of the Indian cabal, because earlier Mathabhanga was not connected to Churni, but now it is.)

A tributary dries up when its source dries up (duh!), which may lead to the drying up of the mainstream where it discharges its water. So if 15 ‘tributaries’ dry up, there is a possibility that Padma will dry up. But Farakka Barrage is on Ganges (Padma), and has no influence on the streams/rivers (tributaries) flowing into the Padma, after the Farakka barrage. (Tributaries flowing into Ganges before the Farakka barrage, of course are effected by the barrage). So how is Farakka connected to drying up of these 15 ‘tributaries’. Less water in Padma means that the distributaries will get less water, which may eventually dry up permanently if significant silting happens on their river beds. The news report only discusses the effect of Farakka barrage on Padma, but fails to provide any significant insight into how this effect on Padma is drying up its ‘tributaries’, i.e. the streams/rivers that are actually bringing in water into Padma.

My query therefore, remains unanswered. Why am I not surprised.

Now, to recapitulate, once again, your argument was (post #147) Farakka is drying up Padma and thereby creating land (you had a picture of a dry river bed, to go along with that argument, as means to emphasize your point.). Now, in post #177, you are implying that ‘tributaries’ of Padma are drying up, and creating land, not Padma itself. From, drying of Padma = land, to sandbars on Padma = land, to drying up of ‘tributaries’ of Padma = land. Shifting goalpost as we go along. That happens when one jumps into the mud thinking it’s a chocolate mash.




You can call me anything you feel like, I will not complain.:enjoy:.

At the start of your post, I thought I heard the promise of a dinner. All I got was a dessert, that too a lousy one.

Ok smarty pants. Water is not only withdrawn in Farakka but major water is already withdrawn in UP and Bihar and we are only talking about the water at Farakka point, even where there is not much water. All other source (tributaries)of water that you mentioned is marginal and Padma is basically a major distributaries not only in Inida but in Bangladesh. we have more than 20 rivers died due to lack of water in Padma.
Secondly there is no question of debate here, as your own government already admitted that, Tipaimuk will not be as devastating as Ganges for Bangladesh.
You need to come in Bangladesh and see how many millions of people displaced due to Padma. Our citiey slumps are getting filled everyday.
 
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So you did second my statement....We helped BD and its refugees during '71 and still continue to do so with millions of Bengali's living in India......
Similarly Pakistan is sponsoring Kashmiri refugees and helping them out....

I applaud Pakistan's efforts towards Kashmiri refugees, but the same respect should be shown to India as well for its efforts towards BD....its an apples to apples comparison....

If we agree on the above.....We are on the same page

Thanks for sharing the information with me BTW.

Friend, you still didn’t understand the meaning of goodwill. We are not making life miserable for the people of Azad kashmir, whereas India is drying up Bangladesh and occupying their land. If you do not understand the meanings of goodwill even now………………..I cant say anything than.
 
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You can preach this to your fellow BD members who start threads in this section just to complain against India. This doesn’t give out any impression other than that BD members love whining. Your ‘insightful’ contributions in those threads don't exactly put you on a different plane than their standpoint. So I suggest you cut down this holier-than-thou act of yours.

And before you accuse me of anything, remember, I had merely asked for a reference from your ‘SeaGull sir’ to back up his claim. It was you who started acting high and mighty, without understanding the nuances of my argument.



There are sane Bangladeshis as well. Unfortunately, I am not conversing with one. And Puhlease...give Bharat-Rakshak a rest.
Boy O boy! If someone wanted to see the impact of Shibaji's tenacity, Modi/Bal Thakrey's chauvinism on other and carried a bag of tricks like advani did under his dhoti then he/she needed to observe our Indian friend Toxic_Pus's intoxication skills. Jay ho Mr. Knee-jerking- pus's smarty rhetoric.
 
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By Channel 4 News

India announces a new fence will seal off its border with Bangladesh by next year, in an effort to stop the movement of Islamist militants across the border. Jonathan Rugman reports.

Almost 2,000 miles of barbed wire and concrete will be built in the name of security, cutting India off from Bangladesh.

Over 1,000 miles have been completed so far, but hundreds of Bangladeshis and Indians have been shot dead alongside by Indian troops.

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we shall not have much to talk about with China in the first place.
It is you who will need to persuade China to release the waters for you.
You are on your own buddy

In that case if India does work out with China on the water, it will keep it for itself.

You are on your own.
 
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Channel 4 Video.
 
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By Channel 4 News

India announces a new fence will seal off its border with Bangladesh by next year, in an effort to stop the movement of Islamist militants across the border. Jonathan Rugman reports.

Almost 2,000 miles of barbed wire and concrete will be built in the name of security, cutting India off from Bangladesh.

Over 1,000 miles have been completed so far, but hundreds of Bangladeshis and Indians have been shot dead alongside by Indian troops.

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We just caught a Indian millitant last week. He said while crossing border, BSF asked him for 100 rupees so they will keep two of theirs eyes blind and if he could pay only 50 then they would only keep one eye blind. I dont know how many eyes he blinded before crossing the border. But surely I could say, fencing in BD border is irrelevant. People and stuff will keep on crossing.

Again Bangladesh also seriously need to erect our own fence in our side of border.
 
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Again Bangladesh also seriously need to erect our own fence in our side of border.

Oh please do, it will save India a lot of tax payer money, which can be put to better use by DRDO or ISRO!
 
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Again Bangladesh also seriously need to erect our own fence in our side of border.

That will save a lot of bangladeshi lives. Question is whether the Bangladeshi govt is ready to spend the money.
 
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