India tells Asean it believes in ‘open’ South China Sea

[ares]

China should now actively back NE insurgents and by the time of next 1962 NE would be ready for independence. India only
understand things the hard way.

They should ..but they do not ..for they realize that two can play at this game. For Tibetans too are looking for some one to back them up.

 

[longyi]

Hard to say.

USA has Guan hundred times farther away from USA main land, nobody questions it. Thus, distance is NOT an issue. How about the conflict over Falkland islands between UK and Argentina?

Guan claim is based on WWII legacy, by force. Chinese claim of SCS is based on historical heritage activities, not by force.

Admit it: current international norms are built on Western regulations more or less enforced by forces and threat to use forces, which are in turn based on use of forces. Thus, China’s claim is doubted by many, especially those once thoroughly conquered in the past by West.

BTW, China's control of SCS doesn't mean the sea lanes are not open to public transportation. Thus, your statement "Any iterations of peaceful rises and securities on commercial sea lanes become hollow." is a twist of truth, if it is not an outright lie.

I think China has every right to fight for the islands. In fact she should use some of the islands as a land-based carrier system. After all with her military muscle and her economic power, she is entitled and has the responsibilities to keep the sea lanes safe on her backyards. Not some foreign cops from thousand of miles away.

When she drew that line she leaves herself wide open for others to criticize for her aggressions. And US steps right in by the invitations of the others.

Small nations don't mind a little hegemonic behaviors from a strong powerful nation as long as they feel safe and doing business with that nation.

 

[gpit]

^^ false flagger...

He is not american....false flag

Hi,
Did You Know He Was just j/k ? Probably You Failed Understand
I think You Are a false flagger, Spreading Hatred Here. No Offence
Thankx

See how these losers whining?

It is well known that Indian “Korean”, Indian “Vietnamese” or Indian “Japanese” infest this forum, who can’t speak/understand basic Korean, Vietnamese or Japanese. LOL! Recently there appears a made-in-India “Irish”!

Pretty entertaining, but please don’t force others to false flag like some of your people. We have different upbringings than you guys.

Take it for your own integrity’s sake!

 

[Skull and Bones]

You stop the Saudi and Iranian oil from going to market.
A. They stop exporting oil to you
B. I'd would like to see a 4th tier naval power like india close the Malacca straights

More teenage mental masturbation from Indian fanbois

Ok, who falls in first, second and third tire? And under what criteria?

And in which criteria does China falls?

 

[beggingwalker]

I think China has every right to fight for the islands. In fact she should use some of the islands as a land-based carrier system. After all with her military muscle and her economic power, she is entitled and has the responsibilities to keep the sea lanes safe on her backyards. Not some foreign cops from thousand of miles away.

When she drew that line she leaves herself wide open for others to criticize for her aggressions. And US steps right in by the invitations of the others.

Small nations don't mind a little hegemonic behaviors from a strong powerful nation as long as they feel safe and doing business with that nation.

These small nations then give invitation to big powers then .......every small nation have equal respect in their own eyes as any other big nation have

 

[Aramsogo]

Ok, who falls in first, second and third tire? And under what criteria?

And in which criteria does China falls?

Tier 4 is reserved for Navies whose ship sink by themselves at dock and has to rent subs from other countries.

Tier 1 is obviously the US.

China is somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 4. Hope that answers your question.

 

[gpit]

I think China has every right to fight for the islands. In fact she should use some of the islands as a land-based carrier system. After all with her military muscle and her economic power, she is entitled and has the responsibilities to keep the sea lanes safe on her backyards. Not some foreign cops from thousand of miles away.

When she drew that line she leaves herself wide open for others to criticize for her aggressions. And US steps right in by the invitations of the others.

Small nations don't mind a little hegemonic behaviors from a strong powerful nation as long as they feel safe and doing business with that nation.

China drew the line back in early 1900s by ROC government. Nobody criticized it until recent decades.


On the contrary, I don’t think China would launch a large scale military action in SCS now, because it is contrary to its current own interest: China would do anything to maintain the momentum of its development. Any war would interrupt the momentum.

Once China has more money, and grows more muscle, and is therefore more confident, more options would be on the table, including but not limited to subvert the existing governments with little or no violence.

Even China resorts to forces, it MUST promise an open sea lane for every (non-hostile) country to gain support and to benefit itself. Closed SCS sea lane is not in China’s economic interest.

Small nations need to utilize a big power to balance against another power. This is international relationship class 101. Vietnam War is a typical example. If the small nations do not play the fire carefully, the nations themselves run the risk of vanishing from the world map.

Vietnam (and the Philippines to less extent) can change its friends, but it can’t change the fact that China is its neighbor.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Tier 4 is reserved for Navies whose ship sink by themselves at dock and has to rent subs from other countries.

Tier 1 is obviously the US.

China is somewhere between Tier 1 and Tier 4. Hope that answers your question.

Yup, sure it does with valid explanations. On the sinking part, do you mean like this?

Oilfield workship sinks at dock during construction - China.org.cn

 

[Aramsogo]

Yup, sure it does with valid explanations. On the sinking part, do you mean like this?

Oilfield workship sinks at dock during construction - China.org.cn

I knew Indians would post that pic. Gosh, you guys are predictable.

That's not a commissioned warship. It's still under construction. Intellectual dishonesty and half-truths are Indian hallmarks.

 

[beggingwalker]

I knew Indians would post that pic. Gosh, you guys are predictable.

That's not a commissioned warship. It's still under construction. Intellectual dishonesty and half-truths are Indian hallmarks.

leave aside..this happens every where

 

[Skull and Bones]

I knew Indians would post that pic. Gosh, you guys are predictable.

That's not a commissioned warship. It's still under construction. Intellectual dishonesty and half-truths are Indian hallmarks.

You wan't something different. Oh, maybe you're talking about how ship sinks after collision.

SeaNews Turkey - Cargo ship sinks after collision off China coast, 10 sailors missing

Talking big doesn't suit you, try some introspection. INS Vindyagiri sank after collision, not at its dock.

 

[beggingwalker]

shameless thick skin boost definitely YES

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Dont talk bs here your bakcward country cannt take on china, we are way way way ahead of india.

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The only thing india is good at is bs talk all the time LOL

unfortunately whole world dont think like you about india
and when iran needed chinese support,you ppl cut their oil supplies to half ..while india doubled it and still sticking to iran.
This shows how much balls you have and how much this backward country have..

 

[EastSea]

China drew the line back in early 1900s by ROC government. Nobody criticized it until recent decades.


On the contrary, I don’t think China would launch a large scale military action in SCS now, because it is contrary to its current own interest: China would do anything to maintain the momentum of its development. Any war would interrupt the momentum.

Once China has more money, and grows more muscle, and is therefore more confident, more options would be on the table, including but not limited to subvert the existing governments with little or no violence.

Even China resorts to forces, it MUST promise an open sea lane for every (non-hostile) country to gain support and to benefit itself. Closed SCS sea lane is not in China’s economic interest.

Small nations need to utilize a big power to balance against another power. This is international relationship class 101. Vietnam War is a typical example. If the small nations do not play the fire carefully, the nations themselves run the risk of vanishing from the world map.

Vietnam (and the Philippines to less extent) can change its friends, but it can’t change the fact that China is its neighbor.

Vietnam has been controlled Islands from many hundreds year ago, without any claim from China, until 1900s year when Vietnam Authority protested to China that Chinese sea pirates disturbed Vietnam Fishermen at HoangSA Island, Canton Governor answered that: Island not belong to China then China don't have responsibilities for that.
China don't have right to claim Islands, this belong to Vietnam, same as China Quing's Dynasty accepted.

 

[SinoChallenger]

Krishna sounds timid to me. Maybe the indians are having second thoughts about jumping into the South China Sea dispute.

 

[Aramsogo]

You wan't something different. Oh, maybe you're talking about how ship sinks after collision.

SeaNews Turkey - Cargo ship sinks after collision off China coast, 10 sailors missing

Talking big doesn't suit you, try some introspection. INS Vindyagiri sank after collision, not at its dock.

Keep posting pics of commercial ships that are NOT part of the PLA Navy. Show us that 85.