India targets US$50 billion for military procurement

[Lankan Ranger]

India targets US$50 billion for military procurement

India is earmarking US$50 billion for near-term aerospace and defence (A&D) programme procurement, experts have estimated.

Aviation Week forecasts that the Indian government will make the purchases over the next five years.

"While the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition-popularly referred to in the Indian media as the 'mother of all deals'-receives great attention, there are other areas where the Indian government has declared an interest," according to an Aviation Week & Space Technology article.

"Fixed-wing aircraft, rotorcraft, guided weapons and space asset requirements, spread across the four services and the paramilitary forces, will make India one of the heaviest buyers of military equipment in the world this decade."

India represents a "significant, growing and globally minded" A&D market, according to Iain Blackhall, civil aviation publisher, Aviation Week.

"India's civil aviation market is projected to increase more than 18% annually, and the government has pledged a strategic focus on aerospace and $80bn in procurement by 2015. This is a key market for the A&D industry," Blackhall added.

- India targets $50bn for military procurement

 

[Secret Service]

ALLAH khair karay ......

 

[Abingdonboy]

ALLAH khair karay ......

In English please??

+what are you saying what do you mean by what are they doing?? isn't it obvious??

 

[EastWest]

ALLAH khair karay ......

In English please??

+what are you saying what do you mean by what are they doing?? isn't it obvious??

God help us..

He means only God can help Pakistan

 

[Whiplash]

Wow this is just on Aerospace and defence. And with india's Aerospace industry booming i wont be surprised if more and more private players begin to invest in the sector. 18% growth is awesome. No wonder indigo recently placed an order for 150+180 aircraft.

 

[Dalai Lama]

I'm sick of hearing about these fancy weapon procurements. Equip the soldiers properly first!

 

[MilSpec]

50 Billion dollars of military procurement is not essentially something to be proud of, especially when most of it will go to foreign nations. We have seriously being over spending on stuff through FMS in USA.

I think pakistani military leadership has done a great job in maintaining necessary military hardware on limited budget without getting into extremes of indigenous productions.

India may or may not have advantage of evolving into player in defence market in say next 30-40 years but Pakistani approach towards co development/procurement to face clear and present danger of regional geo politics have to be applauded.

A lesson or two to learn here for us to properly manage current defence requirements.

-VM

 

[Andross]

50 Billion dollars of military procurement is not essentially something to be proud of, especially when most of it will go to foreign nations. We have seriously being over spending on stuff through FMS in USA.

I think pakistani military leadership has done a great job in maintaining necessary military hardware on limited budget without getting into extremes of indigenous productions.



India may or may not have advantage of evolving into player in defence market in say next 30-40 years but Pakistani approach towards co development/procurement to face clear and present danger of regional geo politics have to be applauded.

A lesson or two to learn here for us to properly manage current defence requirements.

-VM

Things are changing there is now private indian companies like TATA, Mahindra etc who will shape the Indian defence industry in the next 5-10 years you will see alot more joint ventures and also tie ups with western defence firms and Indian state firms like HAL.

 

[MilSpec]

The immediate need is to promote private small arms manufacturers...When i look at weapons like magpul masada, it reminds me how far behind the private industry is in india. TATA L&T and mahindra have the clout to let govt of india let them play in the market but there has to be better funding and grants towards start up design houses to develop UAV's ..trainer A/c's, Patrol Boats, Personal Defence Systems etc.

Gun control laws in india should needs reforms for sure.... Take a look at OFB's sport rifles and compare it to options available in US..

-VM

 

[angeldemon_007]

50 Billion dollars of military procurement is not essentially something to be proud of, especially when most of it will go to foreign nations. We have seriously being over spending on stuff through FMS in USA.

I think pakistani military leadership has done a great job in maintaining necessary military hardware on limited budget without getting into extremes of indigenous productions.

India may or may not have advantage of evolving into player in defence market in say next 30-40 years but Pakistani approach towards co development/procurement to face clear and present danger of regional geo politics have to be applauded.

A lesson or two to learn here for us to properly manage current defence requirements.

-VM

You do get this that your opinion is just the opposite of what all the world's defense and aerospace analysts are saying.
Yeah FMS is not good for India but we haven't spent that much on FMS and the money which is spent is mostly to get the best defense equipment.

The immediate need is to promote private small arms manufacturers...

You are kidding me right...Are you really an Indian ??/ Right now all the Maoists and other insurgents are getting their weapons from abroad or by stealing but after this they won't have to worry. All gundas and all won't need Chinese weapons they will then use made in India. India is not the country for this. At-least for smaller arms, government should very carefully allow private sector as their sales is very hard to monitor.

Developing good guns is actually not a big deal but for a country developing AC, BMD, Nuke sub etc. but government has to pay attention to this sector as we definitely need good smaller arms and which we lack right now.

 

[MilSpec]

You do get this that your opinion is just the opposite of what all the world's defense and aerospace analysts are saying.

This is just my opinion , i am not a defense analyst or strategic expert, I am just a simple engineer. My opinion is out govt is very stingy on R&D grants for experimental projects and our small arms industry is no way close to international standards.

As for as Pakistani defence is concerned ... in there limited budget they have procured systems which serve as a detterent to our military. With a collapsing socio-economic system their deployments and procurements haven't been drastically affected.

Now just because i appreciated their procurement system ... you are confused about my nationality, thats kinda funny to me, but i wont really want to get into that.

You are kidding me right...Are you really an Indian ??/ Right now all the Maoists and other insurgents are getting their weapons from abroad or by stealing but after this they won't have to worry. All gundas and all won't need Chinese weapons they will then use made in India. India is not the country for this. At-least for smaller arms, government should very carefully allow private sector as their sales is very hard to monitor.

So because of this reason we should not build better small arms. interesting....so you are saying maoists will steal it so dont make it.

my opinion may not reflect the depth possessed by you or defense analysts around the world, but i have used the .32 ofb pistol and the .315 sporting OFB... trust me the quality of the weapons is not what it should be.
if you have ever shot a H&K usp . or a glock 17 you will know what the difference is. The quality of finish, the breach material, firing pin, for a brand new ofp pistol really needs to be addressed.

Gun control laws in india need reform, that is entirely my personal belief. If i live away from city or police station I should be entitled to have self defence weapon systems and it is a democratic right.


Why I mentioned private players in Small arms:

Please pay attention to the state of small arms possessed by state police in rural areas, by the railway police.

do we employ 50 cals on every police sniper teams... we still have have lee enfield rifles being used in state police departments...

I dont know about your expert opinion but i think we need a competitive , mature and highly evolved private small arms setup in india..

VM

P.S. VM ka arth vande mataram, mere vicharo ke prati agar aapko koi tippanni karni hai to kijiye... isme mere nagrikta ka vishay nahi uthana chahiye.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

I'm sick of hearing about these fancy weapon procurements. Equip the soldiers properly first!

Exactly..!! You just stole my words...)

 

[Spitfighter]

I'm sick of hearing about these fancy weapon procurements. Equip the soldiers properly first!

Agreed.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they actually went ahead and procured something. Its been a mere 22 years and still no artillery.

 

[angeldemon_007]

So because of this reason we should not build better small arms. interesting....so you are saying maoists will steal it so dont make it.

No buddy, you didn't get my whole point. We desperately need new weapons for our armed forces. This sector in our defense industry is very weak and mainly because of negligence.

Government must pay interest in this field. OFB should be modernize. There is not enough investment needed to build good guns and i think even our army could sponsor some projects, to develop weapons as per their requirement instead of buying them from abroad.

I said specifically that we should be careful about involving private sector in the small arms business because it is hard to monitor the sales of small arms specially in a country like India.

It wouldn't have been so bad if they actually went ahead and procured something. Its been a mere 22 years and still no artillery.

Even majority of our MBTs (t72) are obsolete. They are old. There's a plan for modernization of T72 but it has not stated for years. Lets see when will it start. I think the older version of T72 whihc were inducted in 1970 should not be upgraded and must be replaced by Arjun mk1 or mk2.

 

[MilSpec]

No buddy, you didn't get my whole point. We desperately need new weapons for our armed forces. This sector in our defense industry is very weak and mainly because of negligence.

Government must pay interest in this field. OFB should be modernize. There is not enough investment needed to build good guns and i think even our army could sponsor some projects, to develop weapons as per their requirement instead of buying them from abroad.

I said specifically that we should be careful about involving private sector in the small arms business because it is hard to monitor the sales of small arms specially in a country like India.


Even majority of our MBTs (t72) are obsolete. They are old. There's a plan for modernization of T72 but it has not stated for years. Lets see when will it start. I think the older version of T72 whihc were inducted in 1970 should not be upgraded and must be replaced by Arjun mk1 or mk2.

OFB needs private competition... I am a product engineer and I can assure you manufacturing small arms is not a very complex task. Its only because of useless red tape, no private player has been allowed to operate.


Let private and PSU steel mfg's enter arty business and we can reduce the dependence of IA on ofb/ foriegn mfg's for Howitzers and towed arty...

About T72's... i think they still have enough juice to run for 10-15 more years with upgrades. Rather replacing them with Arjuns.. more regiments of Arjuns should be raised...

Indian Army/BSF/IMTRAT/
Should have

Assault Rifles: mix of 7.62 and %.56 - Bull Pup Steyr AUG/Tavor styled capabiltiy

Secondary Carbine: Uzi/ingram 9mm type capabiltiy

Light Machine gun: M249 styled SAW type capabiltiy

Sniper Rifle : .50 cal M95 type capabiltiy

For Indian Police forces,

It is essential that every officer carries

9.mm / 0.45 semi auto pisto; with atleast 4 loaded mags

7.62 Auto matic weapon like the magpul Masada..

9.mm low recoil SMG for CQB

Corner shot WS

12 gauge shot gun

Dragon Skin Armour

M40 type bolt action high precision sniper system

RPK 74 style LMG for squad support.


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Most of the state police weapons don't function properly... lee enfield 303's are known to jam misfire and even blow up.. the quality of 303 ammo is poor.

Ofb issued 9mm pistols are a nightmare to clean and spares are barely available.

My friend in police who is posted in naxal affected region declined using OFB 9mm pistol and uses a imported S&W 9mm.


-VM