India spanks USA over diplomat arrest issue !

[KRAIT]

first- I can't make out what it is that you are trying to communicate here
"First, all I am saying is from what US office told. They told about strip search and as for informing consulate, these type of cases are sensitive that's why special considerations are taken so that no strain in relations occur"
please rephrase it
US marshal's did take it very seriously. they gave her two hours of sitting in their car with her cellphone calling everyone. they did not handcuff her at all on the scene
the word " evacuation" is a word used. can't help you if you guys get all twisted over just a word that has no meaning on what took place.
why should she be afforded a special case ( other than discretion of a strip search) ? was the maid given a "special case" by this consular worker?

Again you failed to provide the reason behind so called evacuation of maid's family.

And she should be afforded "special case". Why ? Look at the mess it eventually created.

And its her words against US Marshall. I know its too early to say who is right but I certainly have equal doubts on both of them, and to be frank, more on US Marshalls and statements of Preet.

Hope the issue is resolved soon and she is sent back to India.

 

[Sashan]

Again you failed to provide the reason behind so called evacuation of maid's family.

And she should be afforded "special case". Why ? Look at the mess it eventually created.

And its her words against US Marshall. I know its too early to say who is right but I certainly have equal doubts on both of them, and to be frank, more on US Marshalls and statements of Preet.

Hope the issue is resolved soon and she is sent back to India.

The U.S Marshals and Preet's statements are recorded in their websites opening up for future lawsuits if they are incorrect and goes against their credibility if they proven wrong. What about DK's statements? Her side of the stories are full of lies.(her, her father etc) - She gave wrong statements with Adarsh, wrong information about her assets with MEA. So what credility does she have now with such a precedence?

But looks like there is a way out here with the most recent news. And I would see what action India would take against the lady for whom it is willing to create a diplomatic row.

As for evacuation except for the cowboyish statement from the DA, there is nothing illegal about it. If you do not agree, point to me what is wrong.

 

[faithfulguy]

To all the members, its not about whether the person was guilty or not, what was her character, what was she doing etc.

Its about how US officials treated a person who holds such a post in Indian consulate.

Its about the significance of the post.

What if another official is treated in similar manner, without any prior information to Indian Consulate, following protocols etc. Then it will again create this diplomatic nightmare.

One doesn't strip and Cavity Search on visa fraud especially in this case, it was completely idiotic.

The strip and maybe cavity search is the procedure of the local police department. Some places are more sensitive to people put things in the body cavity. This has nothing to do with whether she is a diplomat or not.

If this news posted by @eowyn is valid, then this case is already dead, and US is also apologizing then.

Devyani Khobragade had full diplomatic immunity at the time of arrest - Indian Express

We'll let the court decide. The court can easily acquit her. But she need to get the best lawyer to represent her.

 

[JayAtl]

Again you failed to provide the reason behind so called evacuation of maid's family.

And she should be afforded "special case". Why ? Look at the mess it eventually created.

And its her words against US Marshall. I know its too early to say who is right but I certainly have equal doubts on both of them, and to be frank, more on US Marshalls and statements of Preet.

Hope the issue is resolved soon and she is sent back to India.

you disbelieve the US marshal but believe the words from a crook ( who has even been a crook on the indian side i.e. ' flat' scam ) . okay whatever...

reason for leaving it is up to the family , not for you nor me to judge. They felt pressured , threatened-- I believe them. I know how the indian " do you know who I am, crowd" goes there. Regardless again, none of anyone's business what a free legal citizen of India does or legally travels to.

How law works in India is immaterial for USA. It is not USA's business to help Indian citizens escape Indian law.

It is not just what the word evacuate meant. But the act of pulling out citizens of a friendly country implicitly calling the country's justice system as inferior. Indian courts are there to protect Indian citizens from 'harassment of the elite'. No case would stand without evidence.
It is obvious who is talking through his arse without getting the real issue. You are the moron that does not get that evacuation always does not have to be by black hawks. It is not about the choice of words, but the choice of actions.

Who died and made you the judge and jury of what a legal citizen family in India does? who said they escaped? They got a visa and left ... free will.

if you guys did not harass and threaten them, perhaps they would not have left. WTF is act of pulling out? they were not kidnapped... they left on their own free will.

Indian courts don't matter to the family. they were not under indictment of the courts. They were and are free citizens.

You are all getting bent over protecting some image vs. facts.

LOL " Oooh they evacuated them OOOHHH. it hurt our feelings". Well - If you were so bothered about feelings , then bother about a helpless maid. I know exactly how those folks may have been treated that made them want to move. I know the " me tera bapp" attitude over there.

 

[KRAIT]

I am done with all the apologists and ridiculous reasons given for maid's family evacuation. Guilty or not, treatment of Indian woman in such a manner holding such a position is not acceptable. ITS ALL ABOUT THE POST.

I wonder what will people say if India arrests few US diplomats under article 377 ?


H1B visa > Nation.

End of Discussion from my side. Kindly don't quote.

 

[JayAtl]

I am done with all the apologists and ridiculous reasons given for maid's family evacuation. Guilty or not, treatment of Indian woman in such a manner holding such a position is not acceptable. ITS ALL ABOUT THE POST.

I wonder what will people say if India arrests few US diplomats under article 377 ?

H1B visa > Nation.

End of Discussion from my side. Kindly don't quote.

HELL NO I am going to quote you

I'll even help you out abit . The changing of clothes = what you are calling a strip search, should have been avoided. agreed there.

but she should not have been afforded jack( although she was given tons of breaks) because of JUST HER post but rather because of low level of the " crime" she is being accused of committing, her not being a flight risk and having no criminal background in the US. If you say Post then you effectively say that you believe in different sets of rules for different people.

arrest under article 377. if loving someone is a crime in India, do it ...

better way to get back is to find out how much the indian maids are being paid for every american consulate worker in India. That is what i would do if I were in you guys shoes. then americans will have no grounds to bitch and moan

 

[Coltsfan]

I am done with all the apologists and ridiculous reasons given for maid's family evacuation. Guilty or not, treatment of Indian woman in such a manner holding such a position is not acceptable. ITS ALL ABOUT THE POST.

I wonder what will people say if India arrests few US diplomats under article 377 ?

H1B visa > Nation.

End of Discussion from my side. Kindly don't quote.

IF

Just another example how Indians like to daydream.

 

[dray]

IF

Just another example how Indians like to daydream.

Why? If US consulate employees are arrested in India under article 377, won't you respect the local laws of the land and politely cooperate with the legal process to set an example of what you are preaching here?

 

[Sashan]

Actually I would want to see couple of US diplomats arrested under article 377 and want to see the reactions even within India. Here will be one of the stories which will go around the globe - India used an antiquated barbaric law of 19th century in the 21st century to reciprocate against US for arresting one of its diplomat who committed visa fraud, labor contract violation, mistreatment of the maid etc etc. That will bode well for India's reputation across the globe and would have set an example for countries especially the ones in the middle east.

 

[airuah]

I still dont understand how does a body search on you protect you? Isnt the search itself violating you and there by makes you feel threatened? USA can strip search its own citizens but in other parts of the world a strip search amounts to an attempt to rape.....you may say she was strip searched by a woman...how do we know that the woman officer is not a lesbian? And some one here sugested a view at the security video of the strip search would clarify that she was not insulted....wow so the US marshals are authorised to make soft ****?

 

[airuah]

Actually I would want to see couple of US diplomats arrested under article 377 and want to see the reactions even within India. Here will be one of the stories which will go around the globe - India used an antiquated barbaric law of 19th century in the 21st century to reciprocate against US for arresting one of its diplomat who committed visa fraud, labor contract violation etc etc. That will bode well for India's reputation across the globe.

Trust me we dont need the gay law to arrest your diplomats....infact since US embassy and consulates in any country is american soil the indians who work there should get uS pay...which they dont get...so all we have to do is file a complaint on behalf of all those Indians in a US court. That will make sure that America will have to call back most if not all its diplomats for facing trial in the US...and they cannot get away with it because there is no diplomatic immunity in your own country and IS DOJ will have to deliver JUSTICE as Per US LAWS for what was that- yes abusing your labourers by paying them less money....now once India does this , every country would do the same if it wants to mess with the US.....this would be like telling the US that it punched itself in its face

Secondly the spouses of US diplomats run or work in schools in India , earn and pat no taxes . they would be arrested for tax fraud..since they have no immunity whether diplomatic or consular, you can have american women in our very comfy Indian Jails just like our regular common crooks
So while the diplomat is in US Jail the Spouse will be in An Indian jail....woulnt that be a happy American family

 

[idune]

Trust me we dont need the gay law to arrest your diplomats....

Haven't indians talked too much already? If india has guts and excuse to arrest US diplomat it would have been done so since all these started. Everyone in the world knows it. Just chest thumping by indians amplifying indian inability.

 

[armchairPrivate]

The US has moved on. This case is no longer in the conscience of the general public. The news outlets no longer carry this piece. The US citizens have overwhelmingly supported the arrest when it happened. The few who still talked about it is like brain fart.

I don't believe John Kelly thought about this "spanking" when he was carving the Christmas turkey.

 

[chhota bheem]

1)it seems she had full diplomatic immunity at the time of arrest on account of her being posted as an adviser to Indian UN permanent mission, so there wont be any case.

2)the question is ,US can give visa to anyone it wants,but why would it also pay for their tickets.

 

[idune]

1)it seems she had full diplomatic immunity at the time of arrest on account of her being posted as an adviser to Indian UN permanent mission, so there wont be any case.

2)the question is ,US can give visa to anyone it wants,but why would it also pay for their tickets.

india can do all chest thumping and make up more false paper, NO, she did not have "full diplomatic immunity". And crime she committed goes beyond her status.

IF US paid ticket that was to help a poor family who were cheated by indian "diplomat". And also maid is being key witness and victim, her family was in risk in india. Everyone know how india treats lower caste or even people from different religions - with massacre and killing.US did the just and moral thing by rescuing maid family.