India sidesteps Pakistan in trade with big investment push for Iran's Chabahar

[Jamwal's]

What Isreal has to do with it, they are nothing but business partner like Iran.

In Indian foreign relations there is no brother - sister countries bull crap.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

and sir instead of rebuilding your economy you are more exited how some kind of trouble could brew up ... but tell me do you really think pakhtoons will themselfs put spanner in a corridoor which can make them and there coming genrations rich and non depentent on a another nation like never before ?

Lets talk about ground realities here. A third world country India, in cooperation with another third world country Iran , in cooperation with a war ravaged Afghanistan will make some sort of corridor and try to access central Asia, for what? Are you going to sell your pan parag to central Asia or going to import their dry fruits as I dont know what these central Asian state produce except energy, which you can get anyway from Iran. Pakhtoon will certainly be excited with this prospect!

Now look at CPEC. You got a massive economic power house in China, world richest nation, power hungry, from the iPhone you might be carrying to the underwear you are wearing got "made in China" Label on it. This all will be shipped to and fro using this trade corridor. Endless opportunities and Afghanistan has already been invited into this. Pakistan is already connecting its highways to Afghanistan for the later to use it for this purpose.

India is just trying this d!ck measuring contest but in reality its mere pissing in the air.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Lets talk about ground realities here. A third world country India, in cooperation with another third world country Iran , in cooperation with a war ravaged Afghanistan will make some sort of corridor and try to access central Asia, for what? Are you going to sell your pan parag to central Asia or going to import their dry fruits as I dont know what these central Asian state produce except energy, which you can get anyway from Iran. Pakhtoon will certainly be excited with this prospect!

Now look at CPEC. You got a massive economic power house in China, world richest nation, power hungry, from the iPhone you might be carrying to the underwear you are wearing got "made in China" Label on it. This all will be shipped to and fro using this trade corridor. Endless opportunities and Afghanistan has already been invited into this. Pakistan is already connecting its highways to Afghanistan for the later to use it for this purpose.

India is just trying this d!ck measuring contest but in reality its mere pissing in the air.

well looks like you have no idea of trade and economik diplomacy kid

we want route to central asia and afghanistan and iran for trade we need oil we need copper and many such minerals for owr growth and trade what we produce to afghanistan and beyond as they are fast emerging markets

i dont know weather you have seen it on one pakistani talk show where there was this guy called musharraf zaidi or something which he advocated to give open passage to india thru pakistan and make there economy dependent on pakistan and only then indians will talk sincearlly but false bravado and paranoia dint let that happen and now india found an alternative route for its trade to iran afghanistan and central asia

where is india wrong in it ?

had pakistan given its route both iran gas pipeline and tarde corridoar would have been a reality and you know what who will be the biggest looser if pakistan had given the route to india to trade (arab GCC states) thats why they never wanted route to central asia to open from land as there economy and economy based on suez cannal will be the biggest loser as this corridoor goes up to russia now take a map and try figure yourself how much distance and time it will take to trade with central asi8a and russia in conventional sea based route and how much thru chabahr corridoor

and gawadar is good for chahbahr in more ways than its harmfull but those who oppose both gawadar and chabahar want gullible , illitrate and emotional south asians to beleve there is some saught of indian conpiracy against gawadar and china - pak conspiracy against chabahar but rather in logical terms its the GCC states who will be the biggest loosers and there wont be need to go inside persian gulf or take a route from arabian sea to suez cannal to madetarranian to europe and then to russia ... think about it with cool head instead of looking it thru a prism of hate and paranoia against india or iran or afghansitan we all have too many ebenfits from it (both gawadar and chabahar)

as for the powerhouse china is and all that blah blah well kid try take a look a map of china and see for yourself the distance between kashgar and nearest industrial cities in china and what is more important to china a convetional trade route from china to central asia and europe and russia or the route to gawadar ?

PS in my logik Gawadar and CEPC is an insurence policy a plan B fro trade with main trading of china to rest of the world its main source on income and large commercial centers are on eastern chinese territorry with are at least 4500 km away from its western cities and distance to be coverred to china -central asia-europe -russia is much more easier and less than distance to be covered from china- pakistan-gawadar

point is chabahar is in no way a threat to chinese interests rather its a threat to GCC states and those in pakistan who want to make most money owt of CEPC (now guess it yourself who they are )

 

[guest11]

To sidestep Pakistan, India embraces an Iranian port



“The distance between Kandla and the Chabahar port is less than the distance between New Delhi and Mumbai, and so what this agreement does is to enable us quick movement of goods first to Iran and then onwards to Afghanistan and Russia through a new rail and road link,” said Nitin Gadkari, an Indian minister who oversees infrastructure development and who accompanied Modi to Tehran. He was referring to a port on India's west coast, and also the North-South Transport Corridor, a network of roads and railways, some built with Indian assistance, which would move goods north from Chabahar.

As part of the deal Modi made in Tehran, Indian refiners finally cleared a huge chunk of the $6.4 billion they owe to Iran, and pledged to quickly transfer the rest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...step-pakistan-india-embraces-an-iranian-port/

 

[Taimoor Khan]

well looks like you have no idea of trade and economik diplomacy kid

we want route to central asia and afghanistan and iran for trade we need oil we need copper and many such minerals for owr growth and trade what we produce to afghanistan and beyond as they are fast emerging markets

i dont know weather you have seen it on one pakistani talk show where there was this guy called musharraf zaidi or something which he advocated to give open passage to india thru pakistan and make there economy dependent on pakistan and only then indians will talk sincearlly but false bravado and paranoia dint let that happen and now india found an alternative route for its trade to iran afghanistan and central asia

where is india wrong in it ?

had pakistan given its route both iran gas pipeline and tarde corridoar would have been a reality and you know what who will be the biggest looser if pakistan had given the route to india to trade (arab GCC states) thats why they never wanted route to central asia to open from land as there economy and economy based on suez cannal will be the biggest loser as this corridoor goes up to russia now take a map and try figure yourself how much distance and time it will take to trade with central asi8a and russia in conventional sea based route and how much thru chabahr corridoor

and gawadar is good for chahbahr in more ways than its harmfull but those who oppose both gawadar and chabahar want gullible , illitrate and emotional south asians to beleve there is some saught of indian conpiracy against gawadar and china - pak conspiracy against chabahar but rather in logical terms its the GCC states who will be the biggest loosers and there wont be need to go inside persian gulf or take a route from arabian sea to suez cannal to madetarranian to europe and then to russia ... think about it with cool head instead of looking it thru a prism of hate and paranoia against india or iran or afghansitan we all have too many ebenfits from it (both gawadar and chabahar)

as for the powerhouse china is and all that blah blah well kid try take a look a map of china and see for yourself the distance between kashgar and nearest industrial cities in china and what is more important to china a convetional trade route from china to central asia and europe and russia or the route to gawadar ?

PS in my logik Gawadar and CEPC is an insurence policy a plan B fro trade with main trading of china to rest of the world its main source on income and large commercial centers are on eastern chinese territorry with are at least 4500 km away from its western cities and distance to be coverred to china -central asia-europe -russia is much more easier and less than distance to be covered from china- pakistan-gawadar

point is chabahar is in no way a threat to chinese interests rather its a threat to GCC states and those in pakistan who want to make most money owt of CEPC (now guess it yourself who they are )

Son, it seems you are clueless when it comes to geo politics.

We have been hearing about resource rich central Asia since decades but nothing is coming out of it because the hell hole Afghanistan has become and this is not going to change for a long time to come. You are fully entitled to have your wet dream though.

I dont know who the hell is Musharraf Zaidi if that d|ckhead has actually proposed Pakistan to allow India to use its territory for access to central Asia then I am glad he got bitched slapped by Pakistan putting this proposal in the shredder. First, its a astronomical security risks to Pakistan to allow Indian trucks traverse Pakistani territory, and the likes of Yadev have enforced this fact that it will be stupidity of biblical proportion to allow India such access. In absense of resolution of all outstanding issues specially related to security like Kashmir, its actually hilarious to even think about granting India any such privilege. Besides, Pakistan wants to create mutual inter-dependencies with world powers like China and in future using CPEC, with Russia as well. India is a third world country, not worth the hassel to be honest, specially when our national security can be in jeopardy.

The question is why would we give any concession to our adversary to begin with? A docile and impotent India is our interest regardless how much western civilization in general and Yanks in particular are propping India up.

What this route got to do with Iran pipeline? You buckled under American pressure not us.

You are talking about GCC countries as if they give monkies to India. Your Modi will be in kingdom soon, let see what justification he will give to King about his country honeymoon to Iran and charbahar port. We in Pakistan despite being a Sunni majority state, despite having "brotherly relations" with GCC, were and still are at receiving end as they consider Gawadar a directly threat their own ports like Dubai. Do you think they will tolerate Charbahar in the context above specially a projected related to Iran, their mortal enemy? India is dependent on GCC not other way round, think about those millions of Indian workers in GCC sending valuable remittance to India. Even if you leave Pakistan out of this as a spoiler, the GCC as a whole will be looking at this with raised eye brows and just watch the space if they on their own fu** this up. Always remember this very important fact that Charbahar lies in Sunni Sistan Provence of Iran. If you clever enough you will understand.

With regards to China, does it matter where their factories or industrial zones are? CPEC is a "corridor" , a trade corridor. Think of it as sea lines that China is currently using in pacfic and Indian ocean for its trade. Only difference is, that instead of using ships, fast trucks and lorries will be used in much rapid and cheaper way to the consumer markets. And then you have the south China Sea issue which Americans is very actively perusing, the Asia pivot project. This all can be checkmated using CPEC. At the end of the day, Pakistan is creating a mutually beneficial inter-dependency with a global economic and military power. We neither have time or energy to think about the rest, not at least for time being. but who knows in future, if and when India come to it sense, stop sponsering terrorism in Pakistan, stop playing silly games and come to terms with playing second fiddle to Pakistan in global geopolitics, we can perhaps accommodate India in CPEC at later stage.

Always remember this, CPEC is the brian child of Chinese strategists, they proposed to Pakistani establishment a while back to which we gave our approval. It is Chinese desire to access the warm waters of Arabian sea. They are also working on their one belt one road concept which is basically interconnecting heartland Asia to the Europe giving Chinese a major pivotal say in world affairs in days to come. Would they tolerate any other alternate project then theirs. Keep Pakistan aside, even the Chinese and GCC will be having their day when it comes to Charbahar.

Moral of the story is, resolve all your disputes with Pakistan. understand your limitations, stop your silly shenanigans and you will be accepted into CPEC on mutually beneficial basis.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Son, it seems you are clueless when it comes to geo politics.

We have been hearing about resource rich central Asia since decades but nothing is coming out of it because the hell hole Afghanistan has become and this is not going to change for a long time to come. You are fully entitled to have your wet dream though.

I dont know who the hell is Musharraf Zaidi if that d|ckhead has actually proposed Pakistan to allow India to use its territory for access to central Asia then I am glad he got bitched slapped by Pakistan putting this proposal in the shredder. First, its a astronomical security risks to Pakistan to allow Indian trucks traverse Pakistani territory, and the likes of Yadev have enforced this fact that it will be stupidity of biblical proportion to allow India such access. In absense of resolution of all outstanding issues specially related to security like Kashmir, its actually hilarious to even think about granting India any such privilege. Besides, Pakistan wants to create mutual inter-dependencies with world powers like China and in future using CPEC, with Russia as well. India is a third world country, not worth the hassel to be honest, specially when our national security can be in jeopardy.

The question is why would we give any concession to our adversary to begin with? A docile and impotent India is our interest regardless how much western civilization in general and Yanks in particular are propping India up.

What this route got to do with Iran pipeline? You buckled under American pressure not us.

You are talking about GCC countries as if they give monkies to India. Your Modi will be in kingdom soon, let see what justification he will give to King about his country honeymoon to Iran and charbahar port. We in Pakistan despite being a Sunni majority state, despite having "brotherly relations" with GCC, were and still are at receiving end as they consider Gawadar a directly threat their own ports like Dubai. Do you think they will tolerate Charbahar in the context above specially a projected related to Iran, their mortal enemy? India is dependent on GCC not other way round, think about those millions of Indian workers in GCC sending valuable remittance to India. Even if you leave Pakistan out of this as a spoiler, the GCC as a whole will be looking at this with raised eye brows and just watch the space if they on their own fu** this up. Always remember this very important fact that Charbahar lies in Sunni Sistan Provence of Iran. If you clever enough you will understand.

With regards to China, does it matter where their factories or industrial zones are? CPEC is a "corridor" , a trade corridor. Think of it as sea lines that China is currently using in pacfic and Indian ocean for its trade. Only difference is, that instead of using ships, fast trucks and lorries will be used in much rapid and cheaper way to the consumer markets. And then you have the south China Sea issue which Americans is very actively perusing, the Asia pivot project. This all can be checkmated using CPEC. At the end of the day, Pakistan is creating a mutually beneficial inter-dependency with a global economic and military power. We neither have time or energy to think about the rest, not at least for time being. but who knows in future, if and when India come to it sense, stop sponsering terrorism in Pakistan, stop playing silly games and come to terms with playing second fiddle to Pakistan in global geopolitics, we can perhaps accommodate India in CPEC at later stage.

Always remember this, CPEC is the brian child of Chinese strategists, they proposed to Pakistani establishment a while back to which we gave our approval. It is Chinese desire to access the warm waters of Arabian sea. They are also working on their one belt one road concept which is basically interconnecting heartland Asia to the Europe giving Chinese a major pivotal say in world affairs in days to come. Would they tolerate any other alternate project then theirs. Keep Pakistan aside, even the Chinese and GCC will be having their day when it comes to Charbahar.

Moral of the story is, resolve all your disputes with Pakistan. understand your limitations, stop your silly shenanigans and you will be expected into CPEC on mutually beneficial basis.

you still dont get it anyway its stupid of me to talk logic with people like you ... my bad sorry and have a great day

 

[guest11]

India’s $500 million port deal with Iran is a masterstroke—and a tough balancing act

Barely five months after the US and the European Union lifted economic sanctions on Iran, Narendra Modi has pulled off something of a masterstroke.

On May 22, the Indian prime minister flew down to Tehran and the next day signed 12 agreements, including a deal to develop Iran’s Chabahar port. India will spend $500 million on the project, with a plan to invest an additional $16 billion in the Chabahar free trade zone.

But Chabahar—located about 1,800 kilometres south of Tehran—is more than just a port with an adjoining free trade zone.

there are regional equations that cannot be overlooked. New Delhi will have to contend with the tricky problem of balancing increased bilateral ties with Iran, while maintaining strong relations with Tehran’s regional rivals including Israel and Saudi Arabia.

“Prime minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Iran is part of India’s complex West Asian initiative that seeks to balance ties between a quadrilateral of four poles—UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel,” Manoj Joshi, a distinguished fellow at the New Delhi-based think tank Observer Research Foundation wrote in the Mid-Day newspaper. “Given mutual antipathies and subterranean divides, India has to step carefully to ensure maximum gain for itself, even while avoiding the numerous political minefields there.”

But Baru, who also served as media advisor to former prime minister Manmohan Singh, reckons that a renewed India-Iran relationship won’t rock the boat.

“India now maintains a balanced West Asian policy of maintaining good relations with Saudi Sunnis, Iranian Shias and Israel’s Jews,” he said. “It is a policy all three have come to understand, perhaps even appreciate.”

http://qz.com/690217/india-just-pla...force-its-regional-soft-power-status-in-asia/

 

[farhan_9909]

Population of central asia is 67Million and GDP combined 295Billion dollars.

India existing trade with Central asia is less than 1 Billion dollars.

Because of the extremely small population of Central asia,Don't expect them even in 5 decades from now that they will have a trade of more than 10Billion dollars with India.

Not counting Iran because india already has trade with Iran through other ports.

With this comparing Gwadar of china with Population in excess of 1 Billion and economy soon to be the biggest.

The Difference between Chabahar and Grade trade potential is more than 100 times.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Population of central asia is 67Million and GDP combined 295Billion dollars.

India existing trade with Central asia is less than 1 Billion dollars.

Because of the extremely small population of Central asia,Don't expect them even in 5 decades from now that they will have a trade of more than 10Billion dollars with India.

Not counting Iran because india already has trade with Iran through other ports.

With this comparing Gwadar of china with Population in excess of 1 Billion and economy soon to be the biggest.

The Difference between Chabahar and Grade trade potential is more than 100 times.

we want oil , copper , nickel , uranium , titanium and a very shorty way to central asia and russia and afghanistan yes it will not be cheap in short term but we might save billions in long run its all about taking calculated risks nothing emotional about it just buisness sense of the "baniya"

 

[Irfan Baloch]

this sort of competition is much better than arming and supporting BLA and TTP from Afghan side of the border.

 

[GURU DUTT]

this sort of competition is much better than arming and supporting BLA and TTP from Afghan side of the border.

Salaam sir ji

point is who is arming and supporting BLA & TTP last i remmeber some very important mods/admin somewhere said most of the funding of there tallibunnies come from zakaat from GCC states and from drug and illeagel weapons trade smuggling of diesel and other such goods and extortion ... am i wrong sir ?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Salaam sir ji

point is who is arming and supporting BLA & TTP last i remmeber some very important mods/admin somewhere said most of the funding of there tallibunnies come from zakaat from GCC states and from drug and illeagel weapons trade smuggling of diesel and other such goods and extortion ... am i wrong sir ?

Zakaat is not reaching Baloch Samachar camps in Afghanistan and neither in Nooristan or Kunar for TTP guests of honours.

those that are receiving that money are in Lahore and Murdekay right under the nose of your beloved Nawaz Sherif which your Indian government loves a lot because he fools you guys by cursing Pakistan army and blaming Musharraf over Kargil.


that Aside, any non-destructive and healthy economic competition must be appreciated and since we started it via CPEC .. your country countred it with this deal and it shows a maturity an evolution in thinking.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Zakaat is not reaching Baloch Samachar camps in Afghanistan and neither in Nooristan or Kunar for TTP guests of honours.

those that are receiving that money are in Lahore and Murdekay right under the nose of your beloved Nawaz Sherif which your Indian government loves a lot because he fools you guys by cursing Pakistan army and blaming Musharraf over Kargil.


that Aside, any non-destructive and healthy economic competition must be appreciated and since we started it via CPEC .. your country countred it with this deal and it shows a maturity an evolution in thinking.

do you really think that we give money just like that

lolzz most of this is a bliff that was created by your establishment and ruling elite against indian involvement in balochistan to cover up there own free ticket to chnaging demography in balochisatn looting balochistan orf its gold , gas and menerals and still keeping baloch people in a very very poor state and not giving them what they deserve lolss whole balochistan gets less than half of funds that lahore city gets anyway cheers mate

 

[volatile]

oes it really matters ?

is israel funding the project ?

has USA said anything against this project ?

hasnt USA already done a deal to waive off sanctions from Iran ?

dose USA is looking for a alternate route to afghanistan and central asia than pakistan afghansiatn route ?

do iran and afghanistan have any issues with this route ?

there are many questions which could be asked but the bottomline is no one yes no one makes stupid remarks or puts spanners when hey themselfs are in financial dealings with the main party involved but they always make such stupid demands from those dependent on them rest you can speculate yourself .... cheers mate

It was simple question ,dont boil your blood pressure too much ,As India and Israel are considered Allies and Iran is Arch rival for this ,So it does make sense

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Chabahar needs stability in Afghanistan .. simple