India set to ink defence deals worth more than 1 Lakh Cr (USD 15bn) with Russia

[DRDO KALI 10000]

It has some interesting facts.

India has already leased one Akula to give protection to INS Vikramaditya.

Since INS Vikrant is being completed by 2018, India was looking for another Akula to join it by 2018 and protect.

Russia had offered 971 Shchuka to be completed by 2018, But if Indian Navy is no longer consider that option, it can only mean Indian Navy has found another nuclear Submarine to join the INS VIkrant carrier group by 2018, and that submarine can only be INS Arihant.


It also confirms that the speed of the INS Arihant is in the excess of 30 knots to keep up with the carrier group. So Arihant will probably be an SSGN.

Plz solve one missing link of your theory SSGN carry Cruise Missiles But in case of Arihant it is equipped with all Blastic's K 15 .

You mean INS Aridhaman ? It is suppose to be already complete and is in final stages. It will probably be launched in the next few months. Certainly by 2016.

However it will be MUCH larger than Arihant since it will carry 8 K-5 and is a proper SSBN. So its unlikely it will escort the Carrier group.

Arihant on the Other hand fits the role perfectly. It can carry upto 12 Cruise missile of K-15 long with torpedoes that makes it ideal for carrier escort.

It can carry upto 12 Cruise missile of K-15 long with torpedoes that makes it ideal for carrier escort
What is This ?

 

[sankranti]

So a SSBN escorting CBG is a expert Opinion for you!!!??

please reread again I'm using facts and Logic (except arihant might be still used for further studies) while you're guessing.

Please i advice you to read the history of SSBN before commenting ""An SSBN with only 4 missiles is unheard of in Naval history.""

what do you think 4 missile's are not enough in a ship for deterrence?? the same class has another 2 more ships. and the fact is INS Arihant is a first in its class and India's first try its always going to be built with minimum capabilities as per Indian standard. but that doesn't mean it'll not be used for the purpose it was build. Using a slow moving strategic assets for protecting a cbg is foolishness.

Calling it an SSBN does not make it one. Calling it a Star ship Enterprise does not make it one either. This is not "Logic". its called ASSUMPTIONS. Do you understand the difference ?

I am unable to see a SINGLE fact you have expressed. EVERYTHING is an opinion.

Fact is Arihant is a Technological demonstrator which was initially designed to be an SSN and was Later converted into an SSBN prototype.

Once the design was successfully proven, the decision to build SSN was taken ASAP along with SSBN with extended body to accommodate 12 K-5. THAT would be the real production SSBN.

By SSBN history are you referring to the Zulu Class built in 1950s ? A time when Ballistic missile itself was a novel idea ? However the first operational SSBN in history is USS Washington with 16 ballistic missiles.

Calling it "slow moving" is an ASSUMPTION, not "Logic"

So where is the Logic ?

Now let me test you "logic". Which Nuclear submarines will provide underwater escort to INS VIkramadiya and INS VIkrant ?

Ech of these Carrier will be worth between 3 to 4 Billion $. The cost of the entire Carrier Group will be close to 8 Billion $. So who is going to provide them with underwater escort ?

 

[Bharat_Bhakt]

12 full S400 systems are more than enof to make an all india anty missile shield along with it in second & third rings will be AAD & PAD then all existing air defence network looks like a very formidable air defnce network which only likes of USA can breach

 

[sankranti]

Plz solve one missing link of your theory SSGN carry Cruise Missiles But in case of Arihant it is equipped with all Blastic's K 15 .

It can carry upto 12 Cruise missile of K-15 long with torpedoes that makes it ideal for carrier escort
What is This ?

Underwater escorts are not required to carry missiles. They are only required to carry torpedoes.

what part of this is difficult for you to understand ?

Just because it carries missiles does not make it unsuitable for an escort role. All it needs to do is demonstrate an ABILITY to perform that ROLE.

Hardly a puzzle or a missing link, but it can appear as one to some.

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

S400 is a huge game changer for India. Chinese are no fools to take s400 threat very lightly. More over S400 which India will get will include already updated technology which is ment for s500 missile systems. India could pair it's powerful radar from Israel and home built radar and lots more Russian help in creating United Sam system across the country. Think about it. PAF is literally irrelevant if India managed to field S400 at well protected area.

S 400 is very potent considering Pakistan being Banana Shape country with Max. 407 km Width.

 

[$@rJen]

Calling it an SSBN does not make it one. Calling it a Star ship Enterprise does not make it one either. This is not "Logic". its called ASSUMPTIONS. Do you understand the difference ?

Wow... What a Stupid Logic.. Its named as SSBN for a reason, can SSN fitted with a VLS filled with nuke tipped Ballistic Missile???

I am unable to see a SINGLE fact you have expressed. EVERYTHING is an opinion.

no its Fact, what you said about Arihant escorting CBG now and later acting alone is what is called Opinion

Fact is Arihant is a Technological demonstrator which was initially designed to be an SSN and was Later converted into an SSBN prototype.

No, Arihant was always focused to be developed as SSBN, whic was the requirement its only now Scientists are working to convert it into SSN not the other way around

Once the design was successfully proven, the decision to build SSN was taken ASAP along with SSBN with extended body to accommodate 12 K-5. THAT would be the real production SSBN.

Its also called Assumption.. show me a single prrof for your claim

Calling it "slow moving" is an ASSUMPTION, not "Logic"

Wow.. you blow my mind... Arihant moves at 24Knots while SSN Akula moves at the speed of 35Knots.. the big fat carrier itself moves at 32knot..you do the math.

Now let me test you "logic". Which Nuclear submarines will provide underwater escort to INS VIkramadiya and INS VIkrant ?

First nuke subs not must to escort them.. even ssk's can do the job. as of now 2 Akula's along with Scorpene will do the job.

Please do tell me what will Arihant do if it comes in contact with the enemy while escorting the CBG??? how many torpedoes it carries and what are those, and how fast it can move, intercept and destroy them???

Again the Idea of puting a SSBN or saying Arihant is not a SSBN is beyond Stupidity

Ech of these Carrier will be worth between 3 to 4 Billion $. The cost of the entire Carrier Group will be close to 8 Billion $. So who is going to provide them with underwater escort ?

Ya,... you want to put the 3-5 billion AC in the hands of slow moving under armed SSBN for a attack purposes???

 

[AMCA]

First ask yourself why CBG need subs to escort them, perhaps you will get the answer.

Solely because they are defensive ships with a punch of stealth. I cant think of anything more. May be you can help!

 

[PoKeMon]

Solely because they are defensive ships with a punch of stealth. I cant think of anything more. May be you can help!

Subs are meant for defence of CBG and not to launch ballistic missiles. They are meant to lurk in vicinity of 100 Km from CBG and clear any threat on CBG path. SSBN do not fit a defensive bill being utter offensive in nature.

Moreover when a CBG need to be refueled periodically, why to waste a resource on it which can be there in the sea for years.

 

[sankranti]

I am going to demonstrate the Hollowness of your claims and expose how you have provide NO proof while EVERYTHING I have said is backed with evidence.

Wow... What a Stupid Logic.. Its named as SSBN for a reason, can SSN fitted with a VLS filled with nuke tipped Ballistic Missile???

WRONG.

Arihant has only fired K15 which is a Hybrid missile. So its not a pure SSBN. Now SSN can fire Cruise missiles and hybrid missiles e.g. the Los ANgles class. So can an SSGN.

More Facts, The Ohio class SSBN was converted to SSN in 1985. Not one, not two , but 8 of them.

So looks like your "logic" is not based on "facts" but on "assumptions" .

no its Fact, what you said about Arihant escorting CBG now and later acting alone is what is called Opinion

Its based on available facts and using logic for deduction to come up with a Theory. Unlike your "logic" which is applied to "assumptions" to come up with fantasy. See the difference ?

No, Arihant was always focused to be developed as SSBN, whic was the requirement its only now Scientists are working to convert it into SSN not the other way around

Its also called Assumption.. show me a single prrof for your claim

WRONG AGAIN.

Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV)

The plan for the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) until the late 1980s, was to build an SSN - a fast-moving deep-
diving nuclear-powered attack submarine, which would hunt surface ships.

INS Aridhaman Nuclear-Powered Ballistic Missile Submarine (SSBN),Next Generation,Indian Navy - AerMech.IN

INS Aridhaman has eight launch tubes in its hump.It can carry up to 24 K-15 Sagarika missile each with a range of 750 km (470 mi) or 8 of the under-development k-4 missiles SLBM

Wow.. you blow my mind... Arihant moves at 24Knots while SSN Akula moves at the speed of 35Knots.. you do the math.

That is because you don't have much of an mind to being with.

Akula has two 32 MW Steam Turbine providing a total of 74 MW power for a displacement of 12 K Tons.

Arihant has a 70 MW Steam Turbine driving its shaft power for a displacement of 6.5 KTons.

Now do the Math if you can .

But unlike you foolish "CLAIMS", I have actually provide REASON for my take. That is called Facts and Logic. Maybe you can start learning now.

nuke subs not must to escort them.. even ssk's can do the job. as of now 2 Akula's along with Scorpene will do the job.

........ A carrier Group has a average speed of 30 nots. SSK can only travel at a maximum speed of 20 Knots.

Second there is only ONE Akula. The Report says Indian Nay has rejected the Second Akula.

THIS is what ASSUMPTIONS does. Expose your lack of knowledge. That means you are WRONG AGAIN.

Only a Nuclear Submarine can acheive a speed of 30 Knots required to keep up with an Carrier Group.

Please do tell me what will Arihant do if it comes in contact with the enemy while escorting the CBG??? how many torpedoes it carries and what are those, and how fast it can move, intercept and destroy them???

Again the Idea of puting a SSBN or saying Arihant is not a SSBN is beyond Stupidity

Ya,... you want to put the 3-5 billion AC in the hands of slow moving under armed SSBN for a attack purposes???

LOL.... it does not matter how many torpedoes Arihant carry. It has far more effective sonar that can track another Submarine. Far better than ANY surface ship. It can also go to the required depth to sniff out any lurking submarine.

It can send out the message about the location of the submarine so that Surface vessels can launch torpedoes and ASH carrying mines, torepedos and depth charges.

Submarine are not for Attack purpose you Moron. They are for Defensive purpose.

1 submarine defending a Carrier group is better than 0 submarine defending it.

Not having ANY submarines as part of the carrier group is what is STUPID. Something you are suggesting.


So much for your "expert opinions"