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Brink of deal for Lancashire-built Typhoon

A LANCASHIRE-made fighter jet is on the brink of being chosen by India for a £7.2billion military order, according to reports.

The Asian country is understood to want to buy Eurofighter Typhoons, which are made by defence giant BAE Systems and European partners.

The aircraft is competing against France’s Dassault Rafale for the deal, which is due to be announced soon.

India could be persuaded by a ‘marinised’ version of Typhoon that could land on aircraft carriers.

And that could also interest the Ministry of Defence, which has just axed its fleet of Harriers, which could land on naval vessels.

Parts of Typhoon are made at BAE Samlesbury and the aircraft are assembled at Warton on the Fylde.

Brink of deal for Lancashire-built Typhoon (From Lancashire Telegraph)
 
One deal will not impact US-India relations: Ambassador
NEW DELHI (PTI): Days after two American companies lost out in a multi-billion dollar combat fighter deal, US Ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer Wednesday said it will not impact the Indo-US strategic relations, which is "bigger" than any deal.

"We are disappointed. But this relationship between US and India is bigger than any one deal," he told reporters when asked whether American firms’ losing out would have any impact on US-India relations.

Roemer described the US-India relations as a "global partnership" on security, environment, green technology and fighting poverty.

"We are two partners working together for global peace, global partnership. One deal does not impact that strategic relationship," he said.

The Ambassador said America was "deeply disappointed" that two of its companies – Boeing and Lockheed Martin – did not make up to be final round for the bid under which India will procure 126 Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

"We believe that cost of F-18 and F-16 is about 70 to 80 million (dollars) a piece and the Typhoon and Rafale is around 130 million (dollars) a piece. We provided great value particularly to the tax payers of India. :rofl::cool:

"We provided great technology. We have rather proven, mature and working (technology). I think the competitors have a radar system that they are trying to incorporate," he said.

Boeing's F-18 and Lockheed Martin's F-16 were in contention for the deal.

However, after intense trials, both these fighters were not considered by the Defence Ministry which shortlisted European Eurofighter and French Dassault Rafale. Also not considered by the Ministry were MiG-35 of Russia and Saab Gripen of Sweden.


Since When Unkil SAM worried about Indian taxpayer ???:unsure::blink:

One deal will not impact US-India relations: Ambassador - Brahmand.com
 
I find this a very interesting insight into the Pakistani pschye- befor MMRCA two favourites were announced the Pakistnai "fan-boys" (note I HATE using this term) were more than happy with their JF-17 and F-16 saying it could handily the ENTIRE IAF in case of war (complete nonsense of course-MKI need I say more?) and now they have moves into to J-20 for whatever reason even though there is NO Pakistani involvement in this project and NO confirmation PAF will even receive any (and if they do it won't ve until 2027-35 at the earliest). As I've said before- living off others (Chinese) achievements is just pathetic, it's as if you've accepted you can't compete with India anymore so you're content to hang of China's coat strings and be dragged along. Note China has no interest in helping Pakistan, it only wants to use it as a proxy against its regional rival.

I didn't see any Pakistanis taking credit for the R&D behind J-20. The user who posted the pictures is not Pakistani.
 
Factors leading to American firms shown the door in MMRCA Contract

Last week has seen hectic write up in Indian media about recent announcements by Ministry of Defence in short listing two European Fighter jets instead of American ones which every western defence experts believed in, while idrw.org has been trying to put together pieces which lead to India over looking American fighters .

Strong reservation in Indian air force?? : Idrw.org had earlier reported how IAF Official had clarified that Indian air force will not accept any downgraded or missing components from any winning manufacturer if they deviated from original RFP, it’s clear now that since India didn’t wanted to sign CISMO and other agreements, Iaf feared downgraded avionics in American fighter jets.

Logistical and Infrastructure problems: Idrw.org again had reported from a senior air force official that, Indian Air force could need to built a new line of logistics and infrastructure to house new line of fighter jets particularly American jets which Indian Air force have never operated in 7 decade of its operations, which meant estimated 10,000 crores extra cost for operating American jets which were needed to improve and build new line of Logistical and Infrastructure .

Non committal on Radar TOT: Idrw.org also had reported through the same source that American proposal didn’t clarify or had confusing terms regarding Transfer of technology particularly regarding Second generation Aesa Radar which were offered by American firms , IAF suspected a downgraded or limited capability Aesa might be offered ,classic example quoted by official was of Australian F-18 SH having limited tracking and detection range due to software limitation or intentional software bug which later Australian expert were able to rectify after working on them for years with out us help .

Failing on Technical Grounds? : While our defence experts at idrw.org, also consider that American jets might have under performed in some condition, until further details are given out we don’t want to speculate, but one of our defence experts believe that Boeing’s F-18 SH which has been designed for carrier operation and mostly for over the sea level flying might have suffered under high altitude test carried by Indian air force ,we are pointing out to new modern upgraded F-18 Super hornet which was offered to Indian air force which are only operated by Us Navy and Australian Air force (Mostly for sea patrol) and not the earlier F/A-18C/D models which had smaller dimensions in size, low fuel capacity and low powered engines . It is believed aircraft needed to be strengthening for carrier operations which lead to extra weight, Boeing knew about it and had offered higher trust F414-EPE, but they were not in the aircraft’s tested in India. We are avoiding speculation of F-16IN part.

Chinese angle? : Indian air force had made its self clear where this aircraft’s will be operated from, and it was not surprise that Chinese angle also will come into play in the decision, may be not a crucial factor but still a small tiny consideration. Lately Chinese have been very vocal about India buying American arms, which in then is allowing Chinese to shower Pakistan with their weapons giving them a perfect excuse.

Nuclear Platform: Basic idea of MMRCA aircraft was to purchase additional Mirage-2000-5/9 aircraft’s for multi role operations and also to supplement more aircraft’s for nuclear strike operation, its no big secret that Mirage-2000H operated by iaf have been and will be Nuke carrier for Indian air force, and now India’s Joint Nuclear command (SFC) wants to operate 40 fighter aircraft’s for similar role , which means this aircraft’s will come from MMRCA Winner or Sukhoi Su 30 MKI fleet operated by Indian Air force , Experts always looked up to MMRCA contract for that .operating American fighters for Nuclear operations could have signed all red flag from United states ,a small factor in decision making process but still a worth a thought .Factors leading to American firms shown the door in MMRCA Contract | idrw.org
 
All vendors given reasons for combat jet short-listing: IAF chief

All vendors given reasons for combat jet short-listing: IAF chief

New Delhi, May 2 (IANS) India Monday said it has individually conveyed to all six vendors in the $10.4 billion tender for 126 combat planes if their aircraft were compliant with the air force’s requirements and that there were no complaints so far from any of the four unsuccessful firms, including two from the US.

‘The debrief (on compliance in flight evaluations) were conveyed to the vendors when the test was over. Everybody knows if they are complaint or not and they have been conveyed individually about it,’ the Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal P.V. Naik, told reporters here.

He was asked if there were any complaints from the unsuccessful vendors since India had down-selected European consortium EADS Cassidian’s Eurofighter Typhoon and French Dassault’s Rafale to continue in the race, which is expected to be over by March 2012.

India had Wednesday informed US majors Boeing and Lockheed Martin, Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation and Swedish SAAB that their aircraft were out of the race in the medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) tender.

‘As far as satisfied or dis-satisfied is concerned, when you select one aircraft, it always happens that other people are dissatisfied. There is nothing wrong with our selection process. It is only a human feeling,’ Naik said when asked about the deep disappointment that the US has expressed over the rejection of their two aircraft that were in the fray.

Boeing had fielded its F/A-18 Super Hornet and Lockheed Martin the F-16 Super Viper, while United Aircraft Corporation had offered its under-development Mig-35 and SAAB the Gripen.

‘We selected the best and it so turned out that they are European planes,’ Naik said.

On the inventory of the air force’s combat fleet, the IAF chief said it was ‘inevitable’ that there would be three or four types of aircraft, though it was desirable to have just one or two types.

In the next 10 to 15 years, he said India would have Sukhoi SU-30s, the MMRCA, the fifth generation fighter aircraft jointly being developed with Russia and the indigenous light combat aircraft in the IAF inventory.

Naik said IAF’s fleet modernisation plans were now on track. He said the IAF had done their job on evaluating the six contenders for the MMRCA and now it was for the government to select the lowest bidder in the tender, which was being done according to the defence procurement procedure.
 
The Long Road to the MMRCA Shortlist | StratPost


The Long Road to the MMRCA Shortlist
April 5, 2011
By Saurabh Joshi

The Indian Air Force (IAF) commander Air Chief Marshal Pradeep Vasant Naik had announced in February at Aero India 2011 in Bangalore that the shortlist for the 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender would be announced in the next few weeks. Then a few weeks back, he upped the pressure on the Ministry of Defense again, while addressing the Indian Women’s Press Corps. Indo-Asian News Service reported him as saying, “The cost negotiation for MMRCA will begin by the end of this month. I expect the contract to be signed before I retire from service in July this year.”

This pressure is likely intended to get the ministry to move on the outstanding issues related to the MMRCA tender process. Work remains to be done for it to be taken to its logical conclusion (The response this pressure elicits may well be a separate soap opera altogether). But the ministry is also under pressure to meet the April-end deadline for the expiry of the commercial offers submitted by the six vendors. The MMRCA-6 vendors were required to either extend the validity of their bids or resubmit them last year, after they expired.

The key issue holding up movement right now is the business of evaluating offsets for the estimated USD 10 billion contract. The terms of the tender mandate the winning vendor to plough back 50 per cent of the value of the contract into India, something that is hoped to boost Indian defense industry. Although the MMRCA tender is governed by the Defense Procurement Procedure (DPP) of 2006, which generally mandates a 30 per cent offset requirement, an exception was made in the case of the fighter aircraft purchase, keeping in mind the expected value of the contract.

New rules under the DPP of 2011, announced in January, expanded the canvas of options for offset investments to include sectors and services like civil aviation, homeland/internal security and training. This was largely because the MMRCA-6 complained of the existing inability of Indian defense industry to absorb work under offsets, in any substantial manner. Defense Minister Arackaparambil Kurian Antony, however, made clear that these rules would not apply with retrospective effect, precluding the six fighter aircraft manufacturers from taking advantage of the increased options.

StratPost recently reported moves by the ministry to amend the DPP to change the offset evaluation process by inviting only vendors shortlisted as technically qualified to submit offset proposals, and get Law Ministry approval to apply them with retrospective effect, so as to ease the amount of work involved in offset evaluation.

The Technical Offsets Evaluation Committee of the Defense Ministry has been struggling to formulate the requirements for the offset proposals that the vendors would have to match, with a series of delays, and still no terms set in black and white. The last date of January 28 proposed, by which vendors would have to submit offsets proposals that were compliant with the requirements of the ministry, whistled past, with nary a word about the amended requirements. The MMRCA-6 were told to hold on until further notice.

South Block corridor gossip has been speculating that the ministry might simply go ahead with the shortlist on the basis of the flight evaluation trials conducted by the IAF, while extracting undertakings from the shortlisted vendors to comply with any offset requirements cooked up later.

But according to Appendix D of the chapter on ‘Buy’ and ‘Buy and Make’ categories in the DPP of 2006, which lays down the procedure for implementing offsets’ provisions: ‘The offset offer will be examined in two stages by the Acquisition Wing. In the first stage, the first part of the offset offer (refer Para 6.1 and 6.2 above) will be examined to ensure that the offset offer fulfils the mandatory requirements and thereby qualifies the vendor for opening of its commercial offset bid.’

The technical offset offer is different from the commercial offset offer in that it does not contain the commercial values of the offset proposals.

The procedure also says: ‘These Commercial Offset Offers would be opened along with the main commercial offer. The CNC would verify that the Commercial Offset Offers meet the stipulated offset obligations.’

This means that the evaluation of the technical offsets offers has to be completed before the commercial offset offers are examined, simultaneous with the opening of the commercial bids. It should be noted that the commercial offset offers have no bearing on the determination of the L1 (lowest bidding and technically qualified) vendor.

A question that immediately arises from this is how the respective Commercial Offset Offers would remain valid, submitted as they are in sealed envelopes, if the Technical Offset Offers have not been validated yet by the Technical Offset Evaluation Committee? Even if the DPP is amended with retrospective effect, the ministry would then have to validate technical offsets proposals from the selected vendors and iron-out any mismatch with the existing commercial offsets proposals.

Unlike as laid down in DPP 2008 and 2011, under the 2006 procedure, there is no provision for the selected L1 to be able to amend the commercial offset offer after it is opened.

The DPP says the Technical Offset Evaluation Committee will ‘examine the technical offset offers and shortlist the vendors meeting the offset obligations’. [The language in the 2008 and 2011 iterations reads: The (Technical Offset Evaluation) Committee will examine the compliance of technical offset offers by the vendors for meeting the offset obligations.]

There has been speculation that none of the aircraft are fully technically compliant with the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR). If this is indeed the case, in theory, the ministry could simply select the single most compliant aircraft open its commercial bid. In this Resultant Single Vendor scenario, the Contract Negotiation Committee (CNC) would then have to arrive at a benchmark of the price it will consider reasonable.

The CNC will only open the ‘sealed commercial offers of the technically accepted vendors’. ‘In case of procurement of new equipment on single vendor/resultant single vendor basis, CNC should establish a benchmark and reasonableness of price in an internal meeting before opening the commercial offer,’ says the DPP.

If the L1 vendor’s price is found to match the benchmark, further negotiations are discouraged. ‘Once the commercial offers are opened and the price of the vendor is found to be within the benchmark fixed, in the internal meeting, there should be no need to carry out any further price negotiations. The RFP in such multi-vendor cases, should clearly lay down that no negotiations would be carried with the L1 vendor.’

There is room for an exception though. ‘In multi-vendor cases, on opening of commercial offers, once L1 vendor is identified the contract should be concluded with him and there would be no need for any further price negotiations. However, negotiations can be held in exceptional circumstances where valid logical reasons exist and such negotiations should be held only with L1.’

But a Resultant Single Vendor selection would also mean that the L1 vendor’s pricing would not be subject to contest from any other vendor. The ministry could also end up with sticker shock, and have to deal with a substantial mismatch between the benchmark price range arrived at by the CNC and the bid submitted by the vendor.

In the event of such a situation, where no aircraft is fully compliant, it would perhaps make more sense to avoid a Resultant Single Vendor shortlist and select those aircraft that satisfy the essential must-haves of the IAF. This would also allow for a wider range of offsets proposals, besides ensuring price competition.

Another issue, although perhaps not as obviously crucial, is that of Transfer of Technology (ToT). The DPP considers it desirable that the Licensed Production contract be negotiated along with the contract for the finished product. ‘In cases where this is not feasible, the purchase contract should include a clause wherein the vendor agrees to negotiate the license contract at a subsequent date, thus obtaining a commitment from the vendor to part with the ToT. In cases, where ToT for Maintenance Infrastructure is being sought, the maintenance contract involving the OEM and the industry receiving the technology would also be negotiated along with the main contract.’

The problem with this is that any negotiation on Licensed Production and ToT that takes place after the selection of the winning aircraft would put the ministry in a position of disadvantage. An agreement in this regard may be less than optimal for India, as the winning vendor, sitting pretty after selection, might not be overly inclined to bend to Indian requirements. Licensed Production and ToT should be seen as at least as important as the aircraft purchase itself, as they have the potential to provide the skills, knowledge and investment to jump-start the Indian defense and aerospace industry. Anything less would mean India shortchanged.

At this time, industry watchers are unsure of the practicality of an imminent announcement of the shortlist at this time. The stability of the Indian government has been increasingly uncertain over the serial disclosures of corruption scandals in the past few months. Even though the government finally acceded to opposition demands for the setting up of an inquiry committee into alleged kickbacks paid for the grant of licenses granted to telecommunication firms for spectrum for running 2G services, other corruption scandals have serially materialized. These include the scandal over allotment of S-Band spectrum by the Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO), the cash-for-votes scandal which alleges the ruling party to have purchased the votes of legislators to support the government’s stand on the Indo-US nuclear deal, the Commonwealth Games kickbacks, the controversial appointment of PJ Thomas as Chief Vigilance Commissioner (CVC) and the brewing scandal over Indian money being stashed in Swiss banks. Needless to say, Parliament ended its session with an uneasy armistice in the run-up to elections in three states, for which voting began on Monday.

The IAF commander had couched his optimism with a caveat – ‘provided dissatisfied vendors do not put a spoke in the wheel and delay proceedings’. The announcement of a shortlist is unlikely to see the spurned vendors go away quietly. Defense deals in India are keenly-followed, considering the number of times they’ve fallen on the wrong side of the line of propriety and been canceled. Observers are therefore unsure if the government would hand over another possible brickbat to the opposition, so soon.

But if the commercial bids are not opened by April 28, the government would have to ask the vendors to resubmit or extend the validity of their commercial bids, again. This is being seen as something to which ministry officials now appear increasingly resigned and for which the MMRCA-6 should be ready.
 
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EFT the Tranche 3 Issues.

Tranche 3

With pressure increasing on defence budgets, especially for the British MoD who had a 36 billion pound funding black hole, Tranche 3 was under a very real threat of being cancelled.

The partner nations, in particular Germany, applied pressure on the British Government to sign the contract but the British insisted that costs must be reduced before they would do that.


To help the situation the tranche was broken into two parts, Tranche 3A and 3B.

A break through was finally made. The British would take their full allocation of 40 Tranche 3A Typhoons in exchange for 900 million pounds worth of savings achieved from reductions to the support contracts by BAE, Rolls-Royce and other partners.


Tranche 3A is due to start being delivered in 2013 and completing in 2016. The exact specification of Tranche 3A isn’t known at the time of writing as it is still being negotiated (the Tranche 3A contract signed only agrees to the production of a Tranche 3A not the capability of those aircraft) but it is expected they will be based on Tranche 2 with phased upgrades being included from 2014.

The British MoD has stated that with the signing of the contract for the production of Trance 3A the programme had reached the financial ceiling agreed in the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) and therefore had no further obligation to purchase their allocation of Tranche 3B Typhoons. Eurofighter GmbH at the time said this would be a matter for the partner nations to discuss and May 2010 submitted a proposal to the partner nations for the 124 Tranche 3B Typhoons. Eurofighter GmbH hope to have a decision by 2012 allowing them to keep production going.

If the partner nations do not take their allocation the future of Trance 3B looks bleak. The British haven’t totally ruled out making further purchases of Typhoons, instead saying they are unlikely to do so but reserve the right. The Italian Defence Minister said in July 2010 that they would be cutting their order by 25 aircraft, representing the Italians allocation of Tranche 3B aircraft.

Without Tranche 3B to keep the production lines open time is short for Eurofighter GmbH to attract export customers and the they are aware of this. BAE Systems have said they have forecast the Tranche 3B not being signed on time in their latest financial projection and as part of the Eurofighter consortium they expect to sign an export agreement between the UK and Oman within a year. The Eurofighter consortium is also competing for orders from India and Japan; although the Japanese have indicated they prefer to purchase more of the locally constructed F-2 aircraft based on the F-16 after failing to get the US to agree to sell them the F-22 Raptor.




Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFT)


Like other fighter aircraft Typhoon is capable of using external (drop) tanks to increase its fuel capacity. These tanks can be fitted to the three wet points located on the fuselage centre point and the middle point on both wings. The addition of these tanks do bring a number of drawbacks. The loss of the two wing points means less points to attach ordinance and the centre point is also used to attach a targeting pod. The tanks also increase drag; although Typhoon is still capable of going supersonic with all three tanks fitted (tested to Mach 1.6 with three 1000 litre tanks).

Conformal Fuel Tanks would offer a solution to this problem with two semi-permanent tanks grafted onto the fuselage, each offering 1500 litres of fuel, without the loss of any points and reduced levels of drag. You will have seen them used on the F-15E Strike Eagle and starting to be seen more commonly on F-16s.

At present only Britain has shown interest in having CFTs. BAE have tested a scale model in a wind tunnel and are working on development with GKN Engage.


3D Thrust Vectoring Control (TVC)

Thrust Vectoring Control allows the nozzle on the engine to be deflected to enhance the agility of the fighter. With 3D TVC the nozzles are able to move up, down, left and right or a combination e.g. up and left.

No partner nation has expressed an interested in having TVC. Eurojet, the consortium of companies that produces the engines for Typhoon, is hoping to attract support for TVC by concentrating on the benefits provided above the enhanced agility.

Eurojet has said TVC would decrease fuel burn, increase the life of hot running components and reduce take off distance (particularly useful in ‘hot and high’ environments).
 

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