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India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

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My reasoning why RAFAEL HAS WON THIS MMRCA contest already

Im fairly certain that ultimately its Rafael that will win this mmrca deal.

THE REASONS ARE SO OBVIOUS and listed below.

1. Rafael is a true multi role fighter far better than Tiffy in Strike role
2. IAF is already well equipped with Air supremacy fighters
3. Rafael is 20% cheaper than Typhoon
4. Rafael is not used by any of PAKISTANS ALLYS
5. Rfael have offered IAF 100% TOT on everything
6. Rafael uses virtually identical weapons to Typhoon.
7 Rafael have promised delivery of upto 40 fighters by 2014 tiffy only 18 by the same date.
8. Rafael is a late 4 generation successor to the much loved mirage2000 already in IAF service so india has much experience of dassult systems.
 
My reasoning why RAFAEL HAS WON THIS MMRCA contest already

Im fairly certain that ultimately its Rafael that will win this mmrca deal.

THE REASONS ARE SO OBVIOUS and listed below.

1. Rafael is a true multi role fighter far better than Tiffy in Strike role
2. IAF is already well equipped with Air supremacy fighters
3. Rafael is 20% cheaper than Typhoon
4. Rafael is not used by any of PAKISTANS ALLYS
5. Rfael have offered IAF 100% TOT on everything
6. Rafael uses virtually identical weapons to Typhoon.
7 Rafael have promised delivery of upto 40 fighters by 2014 tiffy only 18 by the same date.
8. Rafael is a late 4 generation successor to the much loved mirage2000 already in IAF service so india has much experience of dassult systems.

Rafael is an israeli company. Not even participating in the MMRCA.

Just kidding bro. Good points you've got there
 
 
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Saab Targets Smaller Gripen Orders After Losing Bid for India

Saab AB (SAABB), the Swedish maker of the Gripen jet fighter, is focusing on winning smaller orders from as many as nine countries after being excluded from India’s military program, Chief Executive Officer Hakan Buskhe said.

Saab sees potential for Gripen orders in Brazil, Romania, Croatia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Hungary and the Czech Republic, Buskhe said in an interview today. Hungary and the Czech Republic are existing customers that may expand their orders, he said.

“We feel good about the Gripen program, it has lots of potential,” Buskhe said, adding that it “remains a profitable business.”

India’s defense ministry informed Saab April 27 that the Gripen hadn’t been shortlisted for its plan to buy 126 jets.

India is focusing on France’s Dassault Aviation SA (AM) and the European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Co. after also turning down Boeing Co. (BA) and Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT), Buskhe said

Saab still has a “good chance” to win an order from Brazil, which initially plans to buy 36 planes, Buskhe said. The Stockholm-based company has “not received any negative signals” from Brazil, and hopes for a decision “within months,” the CEO said.




Saab Targets Smaller Gripen Orders After Losing Bid for India - Bloomberg
 
EF has a very slim chance to be selected.
Among many factors, the Rafale costs less than the EF Typhoon and Dassault has had a good record with the IAF.

My opinion is that the EF was included in the final selection process to put a bit of pressure on Dassault to either lower prices or provide some other incentive to India.

The companies involved in EF production may be granted an alternative development program with India.

This way India gets two birds with one shot.

rafale price is already lower then EF , why do you think Rafale will offer anything more now as they happily enjoy the L1 bidder status....
it would be actually other way around , i think Rafale has induce into the final selection process to put a bit of pressure on EF to either lower prices or provide some other incentive to India..
 
The F-22 is definitely at the top of the list here but we'll compare to be sure. I get my specs and notes from fas.org.

The F-22 is not for sale on the international market.

Rafale is the best one out there available on the international market.
 
JUST FOUND THIS SHARP BANKING SNAP OF RAFALE ,ENJOYYYYY :smitten::smitten:...
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I'm just loving this thread! Kingfisher Draught beer + MMRCA discussion on PDF...What more do you need? Carry on! :tup:
 
That's the best pic in this thread yet, thanks man! Kingfisher ka nasha dugna ho gaya !!! :D

Not only looks , I studied A to Z about Rafale and Eurofighter but In the end it's Rafale who came out as clear winner .Sparky did you read super hornet block 2 PDF which i posted in my blogs and you posted here ,similarly i got Rafale PDF too which am gonna posted in JPG format soon in my blog ..
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rafale price is already lower then EF , why do you think Rafale will offer anything more now as they happily enjoy the L1 bidder status....
it would be actually other way around , i think Rafale has induce into the final selection process to put a bit of pressure on EF to either lower prices or provide some other incentive to India..

Sorry, but I disagree. Rafale is already well-suited to IAF's requirements as a true multi-role aircraft. The EF Typhoon is more air-to-air oriented at the moment and therefore competes with the Su-30s rather than complement them (which a multi-role should do). The Rafale also enjoys a lower RCS, which is crucial in modern combat, compared to the EF (thanks to the silly catfish design).

Dassault still has a lot to offer btw.
 
Reco-NG AEREOS pod insight

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The 21st century reconnaissance team


The AREOS Reco NG pod, an integral part of the F3 standard for Rafale fighters, brings France into the world of all-digital reconnaissance. As a veritable “omnirole” fighter, the Rafale has already replaced several types of warplanes in the French air force and navy. This trend is set to continue in the coming years with the retirement of France’s last Mirage F-1 fighters, the carrier-borne modernized Super Etendard and the oldest members of the Mirage 2000 fleet. The Rafale F3 will therefore take over the reconnaissance role, for which it deploys a dedicated system, the AREOS Reco NG pod developed by Thales.

The French air force has already ordered a dozen pods, and the French navy another eight. Several series of deck landing and catapult launch tests have validated the pod’s use on aircraft carriers.

TACTICAL AND STRATEGIC


The AREOS Reco NG pod is 4.6 meters long (15 ft.) and weighs 1,100 kg (2,420 lb), making it compatible with the Rafale, as well as the Mirage 2000 if needed. Up front on the pod, the HA/MA (high altitude/medium altitude) optical sensor supports photography at medium range, or even long-range at standoff distance. The AREOS Reco NG offers an identification range of several tens of kilometres – two to three times the range of the Presto pod currently deployed on Mirage F1CR aircraft in Afghanistan.

Located aft in the AREOS pod, the low-altitude sensor supports horizon to horizon photography at an altitude of only 60 meters (200 ft) and very high speeds. The pod operates automatically, whether working in intermittent, zone coverage or terrain-following mode, and always knows its exact position in space, so that it can control the pointing of its optical sensors in both pitch and roll.

Its control capability is based on data transmitted by its own inertial reference system, correlated with data from the nav-attack system on the aircraft itself. As soon as the shots are taken, they are automatically overlaid on a digital elevation model, geo-referenced and assembled to provide a complete mosaic of the target.

The images are then stored on a hard disk in the pod. They can be transmitted to a ground image receiving and processing station in real time, via a high-speed microwave link.

The recce pod can also operate in video mode by using successive images, and by measuring the displacement of a moving object from one image to another, it can estimate its speed.

Battlefield trials based on a hundred test flights enabled the CEAM military aircraft test center to validate the operation of the sensors and their tactical use in conjunction with the Rafale*.

Test flights covered the full range of scenarios, from conventional to unusual, including tests of opportunity targets involving aircraft being reassigned in the middle of their sortie, through the L16 datalink.

“The pod is very easy to operate,” emphasizes Lieutenant-Colonel Jean-Philippe Scherer, the officer in charge of the AREOS Reco NG program at CEAM. “The crew sees a pointer on their digital map with a mission request. All they have to do is indicate that they accept the mission and slave the pod to the pointer. It’s fast, easy, and there’s no risk of a misunderstanding, since no radio communications are involved.”

UNRIVALED

The teams at CEAM who subjected the Rafale-AREOS Reco NG duo to the toughest tests they could think of are very pleased. “The daytime images are excellent,” says Lieutenant-Colonel Scherer. “Our objectives for night imaging, especially long-range infrared shots, were just as ambitious. The initial results are encouraging, but we’re now waiting for new adjustments to further boost performance.”

With this dual capacity, tactical and long-range, day and night, the Rafale F3/AREOS Reco NG duo is unrivaled worldwide. The first crews from operational units were trained at CEAM this summer. Several weeks later, the system reached its initial operating limit for appropriate missions, for example in foreign theaters of operation. Reflecting this capability, the pod is now deployed on the Charlesde-Gaulle aircraft carrier. By the end of the year, it will open its operating envelope to include terrain following during penetration flights, which is nearly as complex as a nuclear mission.

When this capability is added, the pod will officially be in service. “We’re eagerly awaiting the advent of this pod, since it’s a vital part of the Rafale F3,” concludes Lieutenant-Colonel Scherer.

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* Air force and naval versions of the Rafale, both to the F3 standard.
 
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