India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[Whiplash]

Brother.. where have you been??? Both LM & Boeing are out of contention...

A quick question to the aviation experts: Why India has chosen single engine for Tejas? Kaveri would have been good enough if we had gone for a twin engine design? Any specific reason?

LIGHT combat aircraft. A dual engined plane falls into the medium/ heavy category

 

[Markus]

Rafale is winning the poll on PDF.

 

[SpArK]

India Shortlists Two Fighter Jets for 126-Plane Contract - WSJ.com

 

[Jon Snow]

India says no to US fighter planes - Hindustan Times
more confirmation

 

[Speeder 2]

So Indians are celebrating with great vigor India's wholehearted efforts in financing Europe's ( the EU or France) next gen technologies far beyond EF anf Rafale by sending $10b hard currency on the expenses of its 800m hungry Indian souls and India's so called "indigenous" industries ?

India is finally shinning!

Or sorry, second thought $9.5b perhaps, after the usual deductions from those shining swiss bank accounts.




Representing Europe, I thank you very much and would like to express my sincere gratitude to your 800 million hungry men, women and children!

Maybe with another cool billion bucks, we would consider granting you TOT of Anti-Delhi Belly drugs or something?




And I agree, for once, with most Indians here that either EF or Rafale is fine...


... since either su$ks anyway in front of J-20.

So why bother "selection"? I suggest just toss a coin to see which shining swiss bank account is fancier.


Hey, I'm looking for firecrackers, too!
.

 

[xataxsata]

The Wall Street Journal


India Shortlists Two Fighter Jets for 126-Plane Contract

NEW DELHI -- India has short-listed Dassault Aviation SA and Eurofighter GmbH for an estimated $10 billion contract to supply 126 fighter jets to its air force, a senior official in the country's defense ministry said Thursday.

Boeing Co., Lockheed Martin Corp., United Aircraft Corp. and Saab AB have been eliminated from the race, the official, who declined to be named, said.

"Only Dassault and Eurofighter are in the shortlist," the official said. He declined to elaborate.

France's Dassault Aviation has offered the Rafale fighter jet, while pan-European manufacturer Eurofighter has offered the Typhoon jet.

India Shortlists Two Fighter Jets for 126-Plane Contract - WSJ.com

 

[SpArK]

self delete.. (taken care of)

 

[xataxsata]

So Indians are celebrating with great vigor India's wholehearted efforts in financing Europe's ( the EU or France) next gen technologies far beyond EF anf Rafale by sending $10b hard currency on the expenses of its 800m hungry Indian souls and India's so called "indigenous" industries ?

India is finally shinning!

Or sorry, second thought $9.5b perhaps, after the usual deductions from those shining swiss bank accounts.




Representing Europe, I thank you very much and would like to express my sincere gratitude to your 800 million hungry men, women and children!

Maybe with another cool billion bucks, we would consider granting you TOT of Anti-Delhi Belly drugs something?




And I agree, for once, with most Indians here that either EF or Rafale is fine...


... since either su$ks anyway in front of J-20.

So why bother "selection"? I suggest just toss a coin to see which shining swiss bank account is fancier.


Hey, I'm looking for firecrackers, too! :banana:

.

Burn baby burn like hell.

Your jealousy and heartburn is a proof we are on right track.

 

[Varad]

So Indians are celebrating with great vigor India's wholehearted efforts in financing Europe's ( the EU or France) next gen technologies far beyond EF anf Rafale by sending $10b hard currency on the expenses of its 800m hungry Indian souls and India's so called "indigenous" industries ?

India is finally shinning!

Or sorry, second thought $9.5b perhaps, after the usual deductions from those shining swiss bank accounts.




Representing Europe, I thank you very much and would like to express my sincere gratitude to your 800 million hungry men, women and children!

Maybe with another cool billion bucks, we would consider granting you TOT of Anti-Delhi Belly drugs something?




And I agree, for once, with most Indians here that either EF or Rafale is fine...


... since either su$ks anyway in front of J-20.

So why bother "selection"? I suggest just toss a coin to see which shining swiss bank account is fancier.


Hey, I'm looking for firecrackers, too! :banana:

.

LOL he is comparing EF & Rafale to J20.. We already have PAKFA for it. . ANd your post and jealousy is REPORTED.

 

[xataxsata]

India rules out Boeing, Lockheed for $11 bln fighter jet order-source

NEW DELHI, April 28 | Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:48am EDT

NEW DELHI, April 28 (Reuters) - India has told Boeing and Lockheed Martinit will not consider their fighter jets for a $11 billion order and is restricting its choice to two European-made planes, a source said on Thursday.

India was only considering France's Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon, produced by a consortium of European companies for one of the world's biggest defence deals, a source said, confirming a report in the Hindustan Times newspaper.

Lockheed Martin's F-16 and Boeing's F/A-18 Super Hornet, along with Russia's MiG-35 and Sweden's Saab (SAABb.ST) JAS-39, did not meet the Indian Air Force's technical requirements and were disqualified, the paper reported

"That information is correct. The four have been disqualified," the official, who spoke on conditions of anonymity, said.

The order for 126 air and ground attack fighters has been keenly contested by global defence firms and has seen lobbying from U.S. president Barack Obama, France's Nicholas Sarkozy and Russia's Dmitry Medvedev.

India's decision on a final bidder is likely be based not only on technology and price, but also on its desire to diversify from its traditional Russian deals and expand strategic alliances with the United States and Europe.

A New Delhi-based spokeswoman for Lockheed said it was told by U.S. authorities that Washington would respond to the Indian defence ministry's letter on the competition.

Saab, in a statement from Sweden, said its plane was not shortlisted for the bid. A Boeing spokeswoman did not respond to requests for a comment. Other officials were not immediately available for comment.

The purchase will elevate India's air power capabilities and allow it to deploy the weaponry near the western and north-eastern frontiers to tackle any threat from Pakistan or China.

New Delhi fears Beijing is trying to strategically encircle it as the two emerging economies compete for resources globally, while Pakistan already has the F-16 fighters in its fleet. (Reporting by C.J. Kuncheria and Anurag Kotoky; editing by Matthias Williams and Lincoln Feast)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/india-defence-us-idUSWNAS194820110428

 

[tallboy123]

I guess Dassault and Eu consortium are busy having a party

 

[xataxsata]

Despite Obama's push IAF reject F-16

28 Apr 2011, 0855 hrs IST, TIMES NOW

Barack Obama tried very hard but he's lost out on India's biggest defence deal. Despite Obama writing a letter in favour of US fighters the Indian Air Force has shortlisted France's Rafale and Eurofighter's Typhoon for the 10 billon dollar deal.

Earlier this year on his visit to India Obama said, "The United States Government is offering India two of the most advanced multi mission combat aircraft in the world-the Boeing F/A-181N and the Lockheed Martin F-16IN. Let me assure you the US is a willing capable & relaible defence partner to India. High technology defence sales are increasingly a cornerstone of our strategic partnership. this typw of technology is only provided to our closest allies and partners."

Despite Obama's offer, the US President has lost out on the 10 billion dollar deal that he was pushing for, the US fighters F16 and and F18 are out of contention in India's biggest defence deal.

Sources have told Times Now that the Ministry of Defence has accepted the two fighters shortlisted by the Indian air force. The choice is now between the French fighter Rafale and the European consortium's Tyhoon or Eurofighter.

This shortlisting comes after over 5 years of rigorous trials in which 6 fighters were tested including the F16 and F18, the Swedish Gripen and Russia's Mig 35. Eventually the IAF narrowed down its choice between Rafale and Eurofighter.

But that is not how Obama wanted. Earlier there reports about how Obama had written to Indian govt to nudge them to buy U.S fighters.US President Barack Obama wrote to Indian govt earlier this year to push the sale of F-16 and F-18 to the Indian Air Force.

But with the Ministry of Defence backing the IAF's choice, Obama's sales pitch has gone in vain.

Despite Obama's push IAF reject F-16- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

---------- Post added at 02:39 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:38 PM ----------

Despite Obama's push IAF reject F-16

28 Apr 2011, 0855 hrs IST, TIMES NOW

Barack Obama tried very hard but he's lost out on India's biggest defence deal. Despite Obama writing a letter in favour of US fighters the Indian Air Force has shortlisted France's Rafale and Eurofighter's Typhoon for the 10 billon dollar deal.

Earlier this year on his visit to India Obama said, "The United States Government is offering India two of the most advanced multi mission combat aircraft in the world-the Boeing F/A-181N and the Lockheed Martin F-16IN. Let me assure you the US is a willing capable & relaible defence partner to India. High technology defence sales are increasingly a cornerstone of our strategic partnership. this typw of technology is only provided to our closest allies and partners."

Despite Obama's offer, the US President has lost out on the 10 billion dollar deal that he was pushing for, the US fighters F16 and and F18 are out of contention in India's biggest defence deal.

Sources have told Times Now that the Ministry of Defence has accepted the two fighters shortlisted by the Indian air force. The choice is now between the French fighter Rafale and the European consortium's Tyhoon or Eurofighter.

This shortlisting comes after over 5 years of rigorous trials in which 6 fighters were tested including the F16 and F18, the Swedish Gripen and Russia's Mig 35. Eventually the IAF narrowed down its choice between Rafale and Eurofighter.

But that is not how Obama wanted. Earlier there reports about how Obama had written to Indian govt to nudge them to buy U.S fighters.US President Barack Obama wrote to Indian govt earlier this year to push the sale of F-16 and F-18 to the Indian Air Force.

But with the Ministry of Defence backing the IAF's choice, Obama's sales pitch has gone in vain.

Despite Obama's push IAF reject F-16- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

 

[Markus]

Obama mama should be happy with the billions that they have got for C130 and C17.

Let some money go to the Europeans too.

 

[xataxsata]

Hurray.........

Though Its a diplomatic answer still Its confirmed, guys

A statement from Lockheed Martin said only that it had been informed by the US government of a "letter from the Indian ministry of defence concerning the MMRCA competition".
AFP: India shortlists Rafale, Eurofighter for jet deal

 

[zombieland]

Asian Union
I feel like you are giving too much credit to the Pakistani indigenous capability, our home made fighter success is largely a result of Chinese growth in aeronautics, they provided the avionics, designed the plane and our jf-17s carry Chinese armaments. Pakistans role is ever increasing but lets not compare with the LCA, whatever it is now, the IAF doesn't have the same urgency that the PAF does. India does not have the same fear of sanctions and lack of funds...they can easily scrap the whole program and buy all their planes from the outside if they so desired.

As for the topic at hand. Both Rafale and Eurofighter are superb aircraft, cant go wrong with either. I would think the Rafale fits the role of a multi role aircraft better. Having the Eurofighter will replicate many of the strengths of the su-30mki. None the less, either way, the IAF wins. The PAF also loved the two aircraft, and if we had the money back in the day, we most probably would have gone for them.

Well said !!! ... A truly commendable, level headed post.

Are we and our chinese brothers (inlcuding the FAKE ones here) listening ???? ... stop the troll and let Indians do whatever they want ... And if there will be a day when we have to face the IAF with EF/Rafale ... we will face them with whatever we have... so why jumping the gun now itself ... chill... have water and watch Takashi's Castle ... lol