India’s Subversive Role in Afghanistan

[pilgrim999]

Nope Good taliban and bad taliban phrases were made popular my your master USA whom indians support/defend like loyal slaves here on pdf and everywhere.

nope just reminding gullible indians like honourable yourself about the Afghan khatirdaari/mehmaan nawazi/love and affection indians got.

you got to be kidding me.....our master....heee coming from the famous 3 A's of pakistan. for the better part of century Indian and Us was on opposite side of the fence.....but cant say the same about pakistan.....dont want to get in the slanging match with whats happening in around your area due to american balatant interference and yet yu say our masters......hope yu reconcile...

 

[Ticker]

You are now turning this discussion from regional issue into a "Mullah-fundoo-discussion". And that's OK with me. Maharjah Ranjeet Singh was no philanthropist, he was a raja. His treatment of his enemies was at the same level (if not better) as those adopted by all in his time.

However he kept Persian as the language of his court and appointed many Muslims in the senior positions.It is on record that Lahore Muslims opened the doors for him and so did many other Muslim dominated areas. And no there was no mass killing in many of these cities.

If you want to press your point, open a separate thread.

From military history, he sure was the son of soil who stopped Afghan invasions in the areas now in Pakistan. If you want to counter this, then continue in this thread.


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peace

What Mullah-fundoo-discussion are you talking about. Telling you about correct perspective of history and is this the best crap that you come out with. Understandable.

The massacre of Muslims in Golden Temple pond has been quoted by Hari Rom Gupta, in his 1943 book titled, Later Mughal History of Punjab.

The massacres that took place in Peshawar has been aptly highlighted by the French General in Ranjit Singh's service, his book.

Do you know who were those two Muslims who communicated with British Sarkar at Delhi in Persian language on behalf of Ranjit Singh - if not please try and read about them and the manner in which they rose and reached his court and their court intrigues etc before you even start talking about history of that era.

Ranjit Singh was totally illiterate and could not even read or write. What do you think he governed with. How do you think he defeated all the Sikh Misls to become a raja.

And then you dismiss historical facts by saying, this was the norm then and such things used to happen in those days. Pray, tell me how many died during the first, second and the last Sikh battle at Chillianwala near dinga in Punjab, against the English.

You are a tin horn fundoo who knows nothing about history and tend to use portion of your brain which is not part of your upper story. Try more reading, learn to discern the truth from fiction and then analyse - alas that does not seem to be your forte.

 

[Kompromat]

It is none of your business who your neighbour invites to his house as long as it doesn't negatively affect you, for which you don't have any proof .

We decide whats our business and let me explicitly say it that, Indian presence in Afghanistan is unacceptable and this is how we will treat it.

 

[Abhishek_]

We decide whats our business and let me explicitly say it that, Indian presence in Afghanistan is unacceptable and this is how we will treat it.

not of particular concern to India, it is far easier and more effective to engage PK on two sides of the border.
the status-quo works quite well for us since most of the brunt of WOT if being borne by the af - pak people.

 

[FaujHistorian]

not of particular concern to India, it is far easier and more effective to engage PK on two sides of the border.
the status-quo works quite well for us since most of the brunt of WOT if being borne by the af - pak people.

You perhaps do not believe in Karma then?


Sure "a f - p a k" people as you say will continue bearing the brunt of death, disease and destruction. And the way Indians on this forum are behaving, looks like they don't think the $hit will not flow downhill to India.

Remember it always does. It always always does.

Indians on this forum are smug because they like their Islamists counterparts do not live in the fing region. They mostly have emigrated to the West, so for most of them the war is just like a video game, just a video game.

Indians jump up and down and accuse Pakistan to pursue "strategic depth", but in the same breath, they themselves support India's blind efforts for "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan.

The problem and HUGE weakness with the India's "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan is that every fing bullet and every grain of rice and every drop of oil has to be shipped through Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Now tell me, how on earth people like you just come on a defense forum and f@rt about military engagements with no concern whatsoever about the logistics. No concern what-fing-so-ever!

 

[ajtr]

not of particular concern to India, it is far easier and more effective to engage PK on two sides of the border.
the status-quo works quite well for us since most of the brunt of WOT if being borne by the af - pak people.

Oh come on Abhishek plz dont undermine the sacrifices of indians who also bore the burnt of WOT be it in afghanistan or with in india since 9/11.You can't deny it that WOT has spilled over to the east of wagha too in past decade.If i count some of major attacks in india then it gives very dismal picture of India even worse than pak.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

We decide whats our business and let me explicitly say it that, Indian presence in Afghanistan is unacceptable and this is how we will treat it.

as long as afghan govt and common people are friendly towards India we will have our presence in afghan..it is strategically important for India that pak don't control afghan once Americans leave and make it a terror training ground and strategic depth against India. so unless you stop troubling as in Kashmir it will be a " two front trouble " for Pakistan.

 

[Abhishek_]

You perhaps do not believe in Karma then?


Sure "a f - p a k" people as you say will continue bearing the brunt of death, disease and destruction. And the way Indians on this forum are behaving, looks like they don't think the $hit will not flow downhill to India.

Remember it always does. It always always does.

Indians on this forum are smug because they like their Islamists counterparts do not live in the fing region. They mostly have emigrated to the West, so for most of them the war is just like a video game, just a video game.

Indians jump up and down and accuse Pakistan to pursue "strategic depth", but in the same breath, they themselves support India's blind efforts for "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan.

The problem and HUGE weakness with the India's "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan is that every fing bullet and every grain of rice and every drop of oil has to be shipped through Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Now tell me, how on earth people like you just come on a defense forum and f@rt about military engagements with no concern whatsoever about the logistics. No concern what-fing-so-ever!

^i didn't mean military engagements per se. pk can easily be countered with mere financial and moral backing of certain entities. pakistanis do the rest rather well.
india doesnt need to send boots to afghanistan.

 

[ajtr]

as long as afghan govt and common people are friendly towards India we will have our presence in afghan..it is strategically important for India that pak don't control afghan once Americans leave and make it a terror training ground and strategic depth against India. so unless you stop troubling as in Kashmir it will be a " two front trouble " for Pakistan.

India troubling pakistan from west is just indian fantasy.Afghanistan is like back of pakistan's palm(who said this..Hamid gul or col.Imam...not sure).So when americans withraw from afghanistan it will be back to 1990s for india.but this time it wont be limited only to kashmir like 1990 but whole of india will fare game.

^i didn't mean military engagements per se. pk can easily be countered with mere financial and moral backing of certain entities. pakistanis do the rest rather well.
india doesnt need to send boots to afghanistan.

Pakistan too can neutralize with same moral and diplomatic support....

 

[Abhishek_]

India troubling pakistan from west is just indian fantasy.Afghanistan is like back of pakistan's palm(who said this..Hamid gul or col.Imam...not sure).So when americans withraw from afghanistan it will be back to 1990s for india.but this time it wont be limited only to kashmir like 1990 but whole of india will fare game.

we can discuss that once americans withdraw.
for now, india is taking maximum advantage of a weakened pakistan.

Pakistan too can neutralize with same moral and diplomatic support....

it has tried in vain many times before, so we're not exactly loosing sleep over it.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

You perhaps do not believe in Karma then?


Sure "a f - p a k" people as you say will continue bearing the brunt of death, disease and destruction. And the way Indians on this forum are behaving, looks like they don't think the $hit will not flow downhill to India.

Remember it always does. It always always does.

Indians on this forum are smug because they like their Islamists counterparts do not live in the fing region. They mostly have emigrated to the West, so for most of them the war is just like a video game, just a video game.

Indians jump up and down and accuse Pakistan to pursue "strategic depth", but in the same breath, they themselves support India's blind efforts for "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan.

The problem and HUGE weakness with the India's "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan is that every fing bullet and every grain of rice and every drop of oil has to be shipped through Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Now tell me, how on earth people like you just come on a defense forum and f@rt about military engagements with no concern whatsoever about the logistics. No concern what-fing-so-ever!

India would not be sending troop or fighter jet that would be foolish. Rather we will build good will in afghan by supporting then financially, militarily or by what ever means except direct military involvement.

 

[humanfirst]

Indians jump up and down and accuse Pakistan to pursue "strategic depth", but in the same breath, they themselves support India's blind efforts for "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan.

The problem and HUGE weakness with the India's "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan is that every fing bullet and every grain of rice and every drop of oil has to be shipped through Pakistan into Afghanistan.

Now tell me, how on earth people like you just come on a defense forum and f@rt about military engagements with no concern whatsoever about the logistics. No concern what-fing-so-ever!

Indian presence in afghanistan is anything but strategic encirclement of pakistan..We have no bases there and not a single soldier stationed there..As you yourselves mentioned,much of the supplies to afghan is going through wagah border only..India is just another nation involved in various projects just like china,with zero military presence..

 

[ajtr]

we can discuss that once americans withdraw.
for now, india is taking maximum advantage of a weakened pakistan.

From my vantage point india has fritter away all its advantages in last decade it had over pakistan by some of its most foolish foreign policy decisions by relying too much on USA to fight indias WOT.India will soon find itself alone again fighting its WOT.

it has tried in vain many times before, so we're not exactly loosing sleep over it.

It tried it and was quite successful in pinning down india in kashmir through its irregulars.!990 india had only kashmir problem.Now think about after 2014 india facing 29 kashmirs allover india from north to south and east to west.And all pakistan has to do is to provide moral and diplomatic support to all the freedom fighters fighting all over india in 29 different kashmirs.

 

[anilindia]

India troubling pakistan from west is just indian fantasy.Afghanistan is like back of pakistan's palm(who said this..Hamid gul or col.Imam...not sure).So when americans withraw from afghanistan it will be back to 1990s for india.but this time it wont be limited only to kashmir like 1990 but whole of india will fare game.

Pakistan too can neutralize with same moral and diplomatic support....

Time has chnaged now. Its not cold war now. Afganistan will be India friend. And Pakistan has themself problem with Taliban now. Best to luck to them

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Indians jump up and down and accuse Pakistan to pursue "strategic depth", but in the same breath, they themselves support India's blind efforts for "strategic encirclement" of Pakistan.

Why does India's relationship with Afghanistan have to be Pakistan centric? Can't they be more do with increasing presence in Central Asia?