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Technology Transfers and Co-Production for Indian defense needs. When the 1st Air Fleet of the Japanese Imperial Navy left the Hitokappu Base situated in the Japanese archipelago’s northernmost island of Hokkaido, there was a lot of thought behind the movement. Contrary to the beliefs, Japanese Naval Strategist, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was not gambling when he sought the Emperor’s authorization and masterminded the largest naval movement in history. After all, the 1st Air Fleet consisted of the Kido Butai, the World’s largest Carrier Battle Group that was formed of 6 Aircraft Carriers (with accompanying fleets of Destroyers, Frigates and Tankers), over 400 fighter aircrafts (including Kamikaze Divisions) and 24 Submarines. What followed in the next 15 days changed the ground realities of World War II as America was forced into the War. The attack and ravaging of the American base at Pearl Harbor, which resulted in the death of over 2100 American soldiers and injuring several hundred others, had a direct precedent in Japanese inferiority complex stemming from dependence. Even though the primary reason of the pre-empt strike was Japanese ambitions to control resource rich South East Asia, there was a great fear lingering in the Japanese psyche at the time. Japan was highly dependent on American machine tools, aircraft assembly, strategic technology and oil and when American President Franklin D Roosevelt administration voted in favor of an embargo restricting supplies, the Japanese were inconsolably irked.


Yamamoto and his war strategists knew that Japan’s dependence on America could cost it dearly in the medium term and the outcome of the War had everything to do with unrestricted supplies of required accouterments from America. The Japanese believed that a concentrated Military effort of a large scale would demoralize the Americans and would swiftly bring the latter to the negotiating table, meeting Japanese demands to restart replenishment lines immediately. Little did the Japanese know, Pearl Harbor’s unprovoked massacre acted as a wakeup call for the mighty American war machinery and the rest as we know it is history. Therefore the reason for the Japanese fear was simple; the Americans were self sufficient while the Japanese were not. From the time of the Meiji Restoration, which started some 50 years prior to the War, the Japanese had benefited greatly from the newly devised Transfer of Technology (ToT) and Co-Production schemes from Europe and America and now had no qualms in getting what they wanted through force or otherwise. America on the other hand had a more powerful and developed Military Complex at the time and biggest advantage (and Japan’s biggest fear) was America’s complete ‘self reliance’ as a war machine, the deciding difference that contributed greatly to the war’s final outcome.


If not earlier, India finds itself at the juncture where Japan found itself during the Meiji Restoration. In a bid towards self reliance, India can increasingly find itself in Japanese boots during situations where it is held at ransom by those it depends upon. During the Kargil Conflict, the US led embargo resulted in restricted supply of ammunitions from countries such as Switzerland and the UK causing several Artillery equipments lying useless. Off course, India would not summon its undersized vintage INS Virat led Carrier Battle Group and try to get answers to its vindictive questions. The Geo-Political situation of the 21st Century is different to that of the early 20th Century and aggression is simply not the answer However, it is still pertinent to understand the relevance of Transfer of Technology (ToT) and Co-production from a foreign power. Being at a nascent stage in Defense Development and Production, India clearly needs friends who are willing to help it in its mission to achieve its goals of self sufficiency. The idea is to be self reliant in defense as fast as possible and the good news is that with its new found economic might and will, India might just have the bargaining power it so deserves. In a bid to prevent such fears (as faced by the Japanese during WW II) in the future, India must strive for 100% self sufficiency when it comes to defending its strategic interests. Indian defense budget is worth over $35 billion and is expected to grow by 17% in the financial year 2012-13; there are undoubtedly enormous trade volumes at India’s disposal. In a recent report, Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) states that Indian defense spending rose 38% between 2007 and 2011 and India being the largest importer of arms took deliveries of almost 10% of all arms produced out of the total worth over $1.2 Trillion destined for exports. Raking in the moolah that is being offered, like the Russians and the French, Israel has been a major partner of India in not only defense but various other fields. The Indo-Israel Arms Trade is valued between $9 and 10 Billion and growing rapidly. Contributing to almost 50% of Israeli arms exports, India is definitely a significant partner; however the most important part in this relationship is the fact that time and again Israel has emerged as reliable and dependable.


The emergence of Israel as a partner in defense majorly started in 2004 with the $1.1 Billion sale of ELM-2075 AEW radars for Indian Air Force’s Russian IL 76 A-50 mounted AWAC (Airborne Early Warning and Control) system. Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Elta Electronics Industry are major defense contractors engaged with India. Israel has been a key partner to India in the supply of equipments (with both Transfer of Technology and Co-production) and has been willing to aid India in developing self sufficiency in sensitive technology not available for sale elsewhere. The Indo-Israeli partnership has been built on trust and support and withered various arms embargos by NATO members. Significant to Israeli support has been the development of High Resolution Reconnaissance Satellite, RISAT-2 and the Israeli Avionic suits for IAF’s Indo- Russian SU30MKI and Franco-British ground attack fighter, Jaguar. The purchase and Transfer of Technology agreements for Unmanned Ariel Vehicles (UAVs) or Drones and the Harpoon rivaling Barak -1 Surface to Air Missile Systems was a special high in the Indo-Israel partnership. Israel has always supported and helped India in getting technology which is sensitive to its future and present needs.


The SIPRI report makes it clear that India and other emerging countries spending big money on imports of defense equipments are doing so in order to develop their own indigenous Military complexes. The case in point is the 30% plow back clause in any defense agreement India signs with a foreign partner; this clause makes it mandatory for any firm doing business with India to source 30% of the deal value from the Indian defense consortium. Even though the Indian Military complex and defense infrastructure is largely government owned and consists of Ordinance factories, R&D Labs and 8 Defense Public Sector Units, there are immense partnership possibilities in the near future. Israel being a fairly large Indian Defense Contractor has huge possibilities in partnering with the newly emerging Indian Private sector, whose ambitions is to become an eminent Defense supplier. With a good track record, Israeli firms can partner with close to 15 Raksha Udyog Ratna (RUR) Status Indian Private Sector Firms in developing weapon systems for the Indian armed forces. Keeping in mind the present mutual needs, the two nations can specially focus on Space co-operation (Joint Development initiatives), Avionics, Unmanned Vehicles (UVs) and Jet Propulsion.


Indian defense budget is expected to rise continuously for the next decade as India uses its monetary muscle to gain technologies for its self reliant future and Israel will be called upon as a friend and partner. For India, Israel may not simply be what America before 1941 was for Japan, a partner who turned hostile but a friend who stands by, come what may. Analysts are convinced that the Indo-Israeli partnership has the potential to be as strong as the one involving India and its all weather friend Russia. With the present Geo-Political climate, both Israel and India face the same problems pertaining to global terrorism and regional volatility and Joint partnerships and Co-production in defense is just the start of this symbiotic partnership between these two countries. Obviously, there is more than gamble in even today’s high tech war psyche; clearly there is a lot of thought here as well.

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Indian defense budget is expected to rise continuously for the next decade as India uses its monetary muscle to gain technologies for its self reliant future and Israel will be called upon as a friend and partner.

I only read this part and found it is really funny. reasons are:

1. "monetary muscle to gain technologies"? is that a joke? how about fix your industry, get enough power generators, get enough bullets built in india first?

2. Israel needs China's UNSC vote to back it in middle east affairs. Period.

btw, you also need to realize a simple fact:

when it comes to money, india is not remotely comparable to its enemy.
 
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I only read this part and found it is really funny. reasons are:

1. "monetary muscle to gain technologies"? is that a joke? how about fix your industry, get enough power generators, get enough bullets built in india first?

2. Israel needs China's UNSC vote to back it in middle east affairs. Period.

btw, you also need to realize a simple fact:

when it comes to money, india is not remotely comparable to its enemy.


i think you imagined money to be muscle and vice versa ...it is a saying btw !!!:):)
 
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I only read this part and found it is really funny. reasons are:

1. "monetary muscle to gain technologies"? is that a joke? how about fix your industry, get enough power generators, get enough bullets built in india first?

2. Israel needs China's UNSC vote to back it in middle east affairs. Period.

btw, you also need to realize a simple fact:

when it comes to money, india is not remotely comparable to its enemy.

:rofl: funny frustration. :rofl: I really like this. :D
 
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Deng Xiaoping, Great Leap Forward, and Meiji Restoration

Terrible thread title. The OP (i.e. original poster) clearly does not know what "Meiji Restoration" means.

The Meijii Restoration was a tumultuous change in Japanese society and governance. This lead to the industrialization of Japan. In contrast, the Indian governance structure and society are stable. There are no plans for massive reforms in India. Nothing will change in the foreseeable future.

I was hoping to read a post about exciting proposed changes to India's society and government. Instead, I got nothing. Just a "run of the mill" article about importing more armaments.

If I may, I would like to digress and talk a little bit about the Great Leap Forward in China. The Great Leap Forward is widely perceived as a failure. This is only partially correct. The Great Leap Forward was China's first attempt to enact a Meiji Restoration. China understood that it was technologically backward and it was desperate to catch up to the industrial powers.

The radical attempt of the Great Leap Forward ended in failure. However, it was China's spirit and willingness to experiment that ultimately lead to the success of Deng's reforms in the 1980s.

Ironically, the failure of the Great Leap Forward paved the way for China's economic miracle. Chinese leaders learned that shocking changes to the economic system lead to disaster. Deng understood this and switched to a system of step-by-step changes.

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http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/files/publications/ifpridp00926.pdf

"These incremental reforms, which Deng Xiaoping called “crossing the river while feeling the rocks,” eventually gave 95 percent—160 million rural ..."

Great Leap Forward - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Great Leap Forward (simplified Chinese: 大跃进; traditional Chinese: 大躍進; pinyin: Dà yuè jìn) of the People's Republic of China (PRC) was an economic and social campaign of the Communist Party of China (CPC), reflected in planning decisions from 1958 to 1961, which aimed to use China's vast population to rapidly transform the country from an agrarian economy into a modern communist society through the process of rapid industrialization and collectivization."

Meiji Restoration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Meiji Restoration (明治維新 Meiji Ishin?), also known as the Meiji Ishin, Revolution, Reform or Renewal, was a chain of events that restored imperial rule to Japan in 1868. The Restoration led to enormous changes in Japan's political and social structure, and spanned both the late Edo period (often called Late Tokugawa shogunate) and the beginning of the Meiji period."
 
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Oh.. damn.. so, you're here !!!!

Why aren't you filling up this thread .. or any thread for that matter with ... 20-30 pages of your photoshopped materials..

C'mon... what's the reason for this shyness .... :laugh:
 
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Oh.. damn.. so, you're here !!!!

Why aren't you filling up this thread .. or any thread for that matter with ... 20-30 pages of your photoshopped materials..

C'mon... what's the reason for this shyness .... :laugh:

Don't you bully him!! He will just crush you beneath those multi-megaton nukes from his arsenal, Got it!!
 
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Oh.. damn.. so, you're here !!!!

Why aren't you filling up this thread .. or any thread for that matter with ... 20-30 pages of your photoshopped materials..

C'mon... what's the reason for this shyness .... :laugh:

I will answer your question.

I post pictures of China's military equipment about once (or maybe twice) a year. The reason is to update new forum members on the modernization of China's military.

At most, I only drop by this forum a few times a year. There are not enough new Chinese military advancements for me to discuss on a perpetual basis. Military technology simply does not develop that quickly.

My next round of updates will include China's 10-MIRVed DF-41 ICBM, Type 095 nuclear attack submarine, Type 096 SSBN, etc.
 
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I will answer your question.

I post pictures of China's military equipment about once (or maybe twice) a year. The reason is to update new forum members on the modernization of China's military.

At most, I only drop by this forum a few times a year. There are not enough new Chinese military advancements for me to discuss on a perpetual basis. Military technology simply does not develop that quickly.

Ha ha.. perhaps CPC is getting stingy with your payments. We understand.

Better luck with your livelihood. :tup:
 
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Ha ha.. perhaps CPC is getting stingy with your payments. We understand.

Better luck with your livelihood. :tup:

It's unfortunate that you Indians do not understand the concept of mutual respect.

You are an Indian nationalist and I don't make baseless accusations that you are working at the behest of your government.

You express your opinion and I express mine. Why is that difficult for you to understand? It's called free speech. I acknowledge you as an armchair general. Why are you unwilling to recognize me as an armchair general on the other side?

All of us on this forum share a passion for military technology. I see nothing wrong in launching a fleet of J-20 Mighty Dragons across the Himalayas. That's what armchair generals are supposed to do.
 
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It's unfortunate that you Indians do not understand the concept of mutual respect.

You are an Indian nationalist and I don't make baseless accusations that you are working at the behest of your government.

You express your opinion and I express mine. Why is that difficult for you to understand? It's call free speech.

I am all for it, dear .... everybody loves your 20 pages long arsenal of mega-bombs...

But, why this stinginess these days .... be a true Self-Proclaimed Keyboard Warrior....

Do you realize that future defence of China depends on Photoshop and Keyboard Warriers?
 
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It's unfortunate that you Indians do not understand the concept of mutual respect.

Your definition of otherwise common terms is very different from rest of the region's countries. So it is simply not possible to give "mutual respect" by accepting your bullying.

You are an Indian nationalist and I don't make baseless accusations that you are working at the behest of your government.

Indian nationalists and the UPA are oxymorons, my friend. If he was working for the government, he'd right now be supplying our nuclear missile codes and details to Pakistan and your generals. This country runs because of its people and not because of its tyrannical lunatics sitting in South Block.
 
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The article is abt India & its military problems why did China come in to picture ? We know what the Chinese capabilities are so can we just relax and focus on the article.
 
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Seems to me most Indians here do believe false projections of their nation and military's power by their government. Forget multi-megaton nukes, just in basic military infrastructure and communications, China is way ahead of India. And no this is no Meiji Restoration. That event was a major upheaval within the Japanese society, a nationwide ideological shift and resulted in a superpower Japan emerging in just half a century. The difference is, they were alot more organized, decided early on what they wanted and which direction they should take and had the results to show for it. India is yet to take the baby steps in any of these. You are still at the stage of 'trying to get your act together'.

Not till we see some sort of an organization in your country and see significant results the Chinese have achieved. Infact, they were the ones who actually had the modern day 'Meiji Restoration'. A sudden shift away from a centrally planned economy to a largely capitalist one and they have done a good job at it. And well, results speak for themselves.
 
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Again China!! Why are you Chinese so worried about India? No where in the original article there was a mention of China or even a comparison with them yet we have all the Chinese salesman queuing this thread!!
My advise to you people - Go get a life if you have one!
 
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