India, Russia to embark on $45 bln nuclear energy roadmap

[mastaan]

relax, I am happy that atleast somebody takes interest in wind turbines.
We are not running the farm currently, we are currently in the process of supplying the modular blades to repower for multiple projects. I am the chief test engineer for the company and we have proven better static and fatigue results than the conventional design and gone through GL and IEC certification for our 45M blade. Our first tower of the 15 assigned in belgium is coming up this quarter. Our prodution o/p is still low, but we intend to deliver the entire project in next two quarters (fingers crossed). There is another company in texas which is trying 2 piece mod blades for GE and their blades will be up on the towers by next year in oklahoma.

You are spot on.. Modular is the way to go as blades get bigger and longer and a logistical nightmare to transport... Wind is more than an interest. But let's keep that discussion for another day

BTW, I think I know your CEO - if he comes from the same company where you want to supply your blades to

 

[Yeti]

If I was in India I would have cast my vote whoever ensured, solar, wind, tidal and geo-thermal sources for energy.

45 billion is too much, sometimes we forget the value of these billions. Nuclear fuel, coal, oil costs a lot more. Wind farms/ solar farms although have higher setup costs, in the long run they are goldmines.

But right now we are producing only 3% in nuclear for the country's power supply if we take a country like France for example they are getting almost 80% in all their electricity from nuclear. We need a mix of both renewable energy as well as nuclear if we can increase nuclear to 20-25% in next 15-20 years it will increase energy security by decreasing India's dependence on foreign oil.

 

[RPK]

@sandy_3126

Tamil Nadu is one of the wind power hubs of South Asia. Tamil Nadu generates 40% of Indias wind power about 7000MW. But still not enough

 

[MilSpec]

You are spot on.. Modular is the way to go as blades get bigger and longer and a logistical nightmare to transport... Wind is more than an interest. But let's keep that discussion for another day

BTW, I think I know your CEO - if he comes from the same company where you want to supply your blades to

well you are spot on!

 

[Contrarian]

Well we need all kinds of non conventional sources - we have to basically end our dependence on fossil fuel.

20% of the energy mix is nuclear - thats a pretty good percentage. The rest -assume- can come from wind, solar and geothermal sources.

Its not a question of having nuclear or wind/solar, we have to have both.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

there are still worries about the safety of nuk plants and all the countries are slowly shutting down their nuk plants, so we need to go for risk and pollution free sources likes wind and solar energy.

 

[zaxcolix]

If I was in India I would have cast my vote whoever ensured, solar, wind, tidal and geo-thermal sources for energy.

45 billion is too much, sometimes we forget the value of these billions. Nuclear fuel, coal, oil costs a lot more. Wind farms/ solar farms although have higher setup costs, in the long run they are goldmines.

Then you will end up voting for Sri. Narendra Modi (Look up 'Convinient Action: Gujarat's Response to Challenges of Climate Change')

Indian needs to build its own Nuclear power plan and invest more in research. Looks like Rajiv Gandhi nuclear abhorrence costed us more than a couple of billion $.

Multiple Nuclear plants needs to be build on the coast and all of them need to distill sea water for local use.

Effects of Wind Farms on the sea need to be studied before any decision is taken. It has been observed and reported that wind farms blow away the rain cloud's and result in significant rainfall shortage. Wind farms owners have laughed away this report but this is the reality of the farmers who's lives have been destroyed.

India depends on the south-west monsoon winds for 100% of its water supply ...... environmental impact must be seriously studied before wind farms on the seas can be built. The environmental risks seems very significant and high.

 

[Yeti]

Putin wrote an article prior to his visit to India. Published in the Indian newspaper Hindu, Putin said “the construction of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant with the use of the most reliable and up-to-date technologies and standards became a major breakthrough project in that field”. The beginning of operation of the first power unit of that plant will allow significantly reducing the energy deficiency in southern states of India, and eventually eliminating it completely, after the launch of the second and other power units. “We expect that the implementation of our arrangements on the construction of new NPPs in India will begin in the nearest future,” Putin wrote.

We must not make the mistake of comparing Kudankulam with Fukushima which is a 1970's design and lacks the safety features implemented at Kudankulam.

 

[mastaan]

Effects of Wind Farms on the sea need to be studied before any decision is taken. It has been observed and reported that wind farms blow away the rain cloud's and result in significant rainfall shortage. Wind farms owners have laughed away this report but this is the reality of the farmers who's lives have been destroyed.

India depends on the south-west monsoon winds for 100% of its water supply ...... environmental impact must be seriously studied before wind farms on the seas can be built. The environmental risks seems very significant and high.

Hey Zax... 100-150Meter tall tip height can 'effect' rain clouds???

Modern day climate control guys must be crazy or this is one of those classical countryside fables that have no reality behind them...

Wind turbines can not effect rain clouds and there is no such concern. Period!

The concerns are that they kill bats and birds and make a humming noise and create flicker... but those are the concerns that are addressed... Trust me, I used to be an encyclopedia of wind once..

 

[zaxcolix]

Hey Zax... 100-150Meter tall tip height can 'effect' rain clouds???

Modern day climate control guys must be crazy or this is one of those classical countryside fables that have no reality behind them...

Wind turbines can not effect rain clouds and there is no such concern. Period!

The concerns are that they kill bats and birds and make a humming noise and create flicker... but those are the concerns that are addressed... Trust me, I used to be an encyclopedia of wind once..

I have a healthy disrespect for ‘experts’ ever since centuries ago they claimed the earth was flat.

However since you claim to be an ‘expert’ on hot air, you must be aware of the 'butterfly effect' that is used to explain chaotic systems like the weather.

There is a study published called ‘Deterministic Nonperiodic Flow‘ (Chaos theory) that shows the mathematical validity of that ‘even a flap of a butterfly’s wings’ can accelerate or even prevent the occurrence of a tornado or change the course of weather forever. This is a well understood and accepted phenomenon used to understand unpredictable systems like weather.

Above Photograph shows the turbulence field behind the offshore wind turbines. This clearly shows how turbulence caused by the turbines is a catalyst for cloud formation or disruption of the same.

You may be willing to wager away the water supply of 1.2 billion people on you ‘expertise’, but I am not.

 

[KRAIT]

The "Billion dollar" mark is thrown around pretty easily these days. I wonder how many wind farms could be built from such amount.

Wind farm has its own drawback too. And the nuclear lobby is quite strong.

 

[SpArK]

The "Billion dollar" mark is thrown around pretty easily these days. I wonder how many wind farms could be built from such amount.

5 paisa answer

Wind farms no match for nuclear power plants


Wind farms occupy more land than nuclear power plant, are noisier and have a negative impact on the environment.



Renewable energy has recently become a global fad. You might ask what could possibly be better for the environment and the national economy of any country than alternative power generation, such as wind power plants. In reality, though, no power sources that depend on the forces of nature are totally dependable, which means that relying on them for national energy security is at the very least a mistake.


Just look at the situation in India’s state of Tamil Nadu, which at one time allocated huge tracts of land to accommodate wind farms. India has been perennially suffering from power shortages, with its appetite for electricity rising by the year as its economy grows. So, several wind generators *** the Western Ghat mountain range. The idea was for them to constantly generate very cheap electricity, except that, after the winds suddenly changed direction, most of the power plants simply grounded to a halt.



The Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant is now under construction right in the middle of this huge wind farm. “We are all waiting for this power plant. Everybody’s had enough of this electricity hunger,” Sundarajan from Kanyakumari, told RIA Novosti. The KNPP’s buildings are visible in the distance from the cape where the town sits. In this region, frequented by tourists and pilgrims, people are waiting impatiently for the Kudankulam to be launched. Hotels and temples alike need electric power.


While wind generators are a dominant feature of the local landscape, their total combined capacity is no more than 1 GW. Powerful industrial-grade wind generators require an area of between 5 and 15 square kilometres per MW of installed capacity, depending on wind direction and the terrain. A 1 GW wind farm would normally sit on an area of 70–200 square kilometres, although this land could be partially used for agriculture, too, depending on the noise level and the degree of risk when accidents occur. For example, a blade ripped off from a large wind plant can be thrown as far as 400–800 metres.


A nuclear power plant with several generation units occupies 100–200 hectares on average, which is smaller by an order of magnitude than what is required to accommodate a wind farm of comparable capacity. Acoustic impact is the most important factor of wind farms’ environmental footprint.

Wind generators produce various kinds of noise, both mechanical and aerodynamic, which can be low-frequency (16-20 Hz) or high-frequency (between 20 Hz and several KHz). It is mostly the wind plant rotors that cause the noise. The noise level in the close vicinity to a wind farm can reach 50–80 decibels. Any sustained noise of 70–90 decibels can impair a person’s central nervous system. Wind plants with more than 250 KW-capacity present an added environmental risk, as the tips of their rotor blades spin at ultrasonic speeds, creating an infrasonic effect that is harmful to both humans and other living organisms.


A wind plant of just 2 MW with 60-metre blades in the US state of North Carolina produces so much noise that it needs to be shut down at night. Nuclear power plants, on the other hand, are completely silent. There is nothing there that could hum, drone, or make any other kind of loud noise. Plus, nuclear power plants, if operated according to safety standards, have zero impact on the environment.


In Europe, placing wind farms over bodies of water has become popular but studies have shown that this affects the migration of birds and fish. Finally, the serious negative environmental impact by wind farms includes a considerable weakening of airflows, with a potential for climate change and for obstructing the “ventilation” of neighbouring industrial areas.


Wind plants also interfere with air traffic and with the spread of radio and TV waves. Nuclear power plants are free from all those flaws. Wind plants also compare poorly in technical respects, such as their capacity utilisation rate – a key parameter for any energy generator. This rate is important in that it indicates the plant’s overall efficiency, including not only its engineering perfection but also the skills of its staff, process organisation by the plant’s management, and the industry’s organisation at the national level, in addition to many other factors. Nuclear plants’ capacity utilisation rates reach 80 percent, while the best wind farms can boast is 30 percent.


Wind farms no match for nuclear power plants | Russia & India Report

 

[JanjaWeed]

OMG.. bechara US paves the way & Russia takes the advantage!! Nice one...

 

[SpArK]

OMG.. bechara US paves the way & Russia takes the advantage!! Nice one...

France , Canada will follow soon.

 

[Archie]

The "Billion dollar" mark is thrown around pretty easily these days. I wonder how many wind farms could be built from such amount.

India's feasible wind energy potential is estimated at 138GW a figure which will be reached by 2030

Beyond that u are likely to see protests by farmers , and the likes of Arundati Roy and Arwind Khejriwal , coz it will involve forcible land acquisition and environmental degradation