India, Russia ink S-400 missile system deal

[Aryan0395]

At least we have a Holy Quran to read and understand unlike you. All these Sciences has come from Muslims. (Chemistry,Alchemy,Mathematics,Biology,Zootany,Astrology,Philosophy,Economics, Geography,Physics,Engineering and even Political Science). Our Holy Book not only teaches us about religion but also about this universe and how it was created.

Honestly this has to be the post of the year on this forum!!!

 

[Knight Rider]

Honestly this has to be the post of the year on this forum!!!

Facts are Facts !!!! Make it post of year. I don't care !!!!

 

[Goenitz]

@HAIDER
I think ISI shd need to make a specific wing to track all the crew of these batteries... and take action only when there is dangerous level of war.. Russian cant be blamed as they need money.. they supplied China RD93 engines despite knwing that end user is Pakistan.....
@ahmadnawaz22

i think we can/could never compete indian economy... we competed well when we had less corrupt people and collation support... UAE is rich as they export surplus (so size no issue)... both India and Pak are rich in resources but managed badly.. so at full capacity, we can't compete them... unless we get corruption free and they continue like this, sure Pak can compete in terms of resources, location etc etc..

 

[Aryan0395]

Haha in your dreams...

Well it was ur minister that was crying in UN over India getting S400, saying pak also has a good relationship with Russia so they should consider that.
Let me tell u something, when it comes to India or Pak, nobody gives a shit to Pak probably except china, but then again in trade they would also choose India. Let this reality dawn on u like it has dawned on Pak govt which is why to garner attention they are now accusing Indian govt of using chemical weapons in Kashmir.

 

[HAIDER]

If the range of the missile is 100 Km, launching aircraft would have to be atleast 80 Km from the Target, to get a decent enough kill probability.

Considering the fact, the deal India just made, 60% of the 1000 missiles India has bought, will have range more than 250 Kms.

What do you think are the chances, that JF-17 will slip past S-400's, 400 Km, 250Km and 120 Km SAMs and will be able to get within 80 Km striking distance a S400 Radar?

Usually , in such situation, enemy launch multiple dummy object or target drone and waste the defence system. But Pakistan has opportunity to test this system in China and test the defence mechanism . Also , every weapon has effective range and detecting range. Effective range , where weapon operator sure that it will hit the target. Even BVR missile with 150 km doesn't mean it will hit the target, it has to come close to target for effective strike.

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August 3, 2018 Topic: Security Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: RussiaChinaMilitaryTechnologyS-400Air Defenses
From Russia with Missiles: China Is Preparing to Test S-400 Air Defense System

The S-400 is reportedly able to engage thirty-six targets simultaneously. According to some sources, every unit comes with eight launchers, each one of which is equipped with thirty-two missiles.

by Zachary Keck
China is preparing to carry out its first test of the Russian built S-400 air defense system, according to Russian media outlets.

News of the test was reported on July 27 by TASS, a Russian media outlet.


TASS quoted “a military and diplomatic source” as saying, “It is planned that in late July-early August the unit of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army, which underwent training in Russia, will carry out the firing against a simulated ballistic target at a Chinese firing ground.”


The test is coming right on the heels of China receiving the first regimental set of the Russian built S-400 Triumf system. On July 26, a day before the report about the test, TASS said that the first systems had been officially handed over to China the week before.

TASS further quoted “a military diplomatic source” as saying, “Last week, an acceptance certificate was signed for the first batch of S-400 systems that was delivered from Russia by sea in May 2018. The systems passed over to China’s ownership once the documents was signed.”


Earlier, TASS had reported that the first S-400s were actually delivered to China in March or April 2018.

“Two vessels have delivered the first regimental set of S-400s from the port of Ust-Lug, Leningrad Region, to China within the time limit established by the contract,” a source told TASS in an article published on April 3.

That report noted that some of the equipment had been damaged while being transported and was, therefore, being sent back to Russia for repairs.

The S-400 is Russia’s fourth-generation air and missile defense system. It is currently Moscow’s most advanced deployed system, although a fifth-generation version, the S-500, is under development.

The S-400 is also mobile and is designed to counter many different aerial threats, from unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and aircraft to short and medium-range ballistic missiles. Additionally, each system is armed with numerous missiles to engage different threats.


As Robert Farley has explained :

An S-400 battery has three kinds of missiles, each intended to engage aerial targets at different ranges. The longest ranged SAM [surface-to-air missile] can engage at 400 km, with shorter-ranged missiles compensating with enhanced capabilities for killing fast, maneuverable targets. The S-400 can also engage ballistic missiles.

S-400 is reportedly able to engage thirty-six targets simultaneously. According to some sources , every unit comes with eight launchers, each one of which is equipped with thirty-two missiles.

China is the first foreign customer of the S-400 system. The two sides first came to an agreement for the S-400 in late 2014. The deal is reportedly worth about $3 billion and will consist of four to six S-400 systems.


News of the sale was initially met with alarm in the region, especially with analysts focused on Taiwan, where it was believed the system could allow China could dominate the skies in any future conflict. As an article from Defense News noted at the time , “The 400-kilometer-range system will, for the first time, allow China to strike any aerial target on the island of Taiwan, in addition to reaching air targets as far as New Delhi, Calcutta, Hanoi and Seoul.”

But as some analysts like J. Michael Cole and Roger Cliff cautioned, this alarm was at the very least premature. That's because it is unclear how much range China's S-400s will have. As Farley noted, the S-400 can have a range of up to 400 kilometers depending on the missile used.

To reach that far, however, it must fire the 40N6E extended range surface-to-air missile. It was only recently that Russia announced its military had inducted the 40N6Es into service. There have been some reports that China is purchasing 40N6Es, but this doesn’t appear to have been confirmed by authoritative sources. This means without the 40N6Es, China’s S-400 systems have a range of only 250 km.

Arms sales are not the only military cooperation Beijing and Moscow have been up to recently. Last month, the two participated in a major military exercise that also included countries like Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Armenia and Iran. For the first time , Beijing also sent H-6K long-range strategic bombers and Y-9 transport aircraft to participate in the drills.

Zachary Keck ( @ZacharyKeck) is a former managing editor of the National Interest.

 

[soundHound]

If they launch all 72 , what they will do after that ?

Then they bury the equipment, go home and start doing Netflix and chill.

 

[HAIDER]

Then they bury the equipment, go home and start doing Netflix and chill.

Burying job will done by enemy...

 

[Sully3]

India is not a penny less economy unlike yours, India is multi trillion $$ economy and have already seen and fend off much tougher crisis in 90's, at this stage if India goes down then so will others.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048245647869186048

 

[soundHound]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1048245647869186048

Seriously dude, you know how much a dollar is for Thai bhat, Indonesia IDR, Japanese yen etc. This shows level of your knowledge am just quoting for fun, I expect no frutiful discussion from you.

 

[arbit]

Not to Offend anyone here but Reading Different Blogs and Forums, The Discussion Among Indians And Pakistanis is Worst in the World. So Irritating Comments from both side. no real Argument just Stupidity. The only thing left is Abusive Language which is perhaps only avoided because it is banned by rules.
May be Turks Vs Arabs comes at Second to this Pile of C*** all around the world Forums.
Cant we guys behave in civilized and educated manner? Or will we forever be the 1800s Sh**H*** Fools where we never revolted against Brits when they took our whole region and revolted on Some Animal Fat Cartridges?
Cant this change start from one side instead of Blame game?
Following are some harsh Questions Just analyse them after taking Deep breath instead of Abusing and Proving.
Look at yourself all of you and reflect. Ask your self. Pakistanis Pakistan can never defeat India in Economic or Military war everyone knows deep down but still keep trolling and posting annoying silly analysis when our country is going broke? Every country in the region is Hostile to us Why? Afghanistan Iran are our enemies why? For some divine prophecy? USA was our Ally once why have it taken Indian Side? Look at our State Institutes Corrupt to core Inefficient. Look at our Business class and Corporate Sector. No innovation No Risk Taking Ventures. Look at out Foreign Trade. Is their a single thing of being proud of here or am i missing something? Where are we standing in next 30 years whats all this bragging about?. We dont even bother to read our own 70 years history without state censored versions

All true.

And Indians, What have you achieved in 70 years compared to other nations of the region? Poverty Illiterate Stupidity in Masses Levish defense Spending and Social Wellfare going to Dogs. Can you Seriously Believe you can overpower Pakistan Militarily? You never question the stupid claims made by your Army for Local Consumption. Have you ever did some research of comparing the current inventories of both armies. Can you match China even in 50 years at this speed of both nations and direction? Can your people ever meet living standards of China, Korea, Japan etc even in 30 years at this speed? See where China and India Started and see the Gap now. "Kar len gey" "ho jaey ga" "10 saal bad dekhna" nothing else. Is Pakistan even a competitor to brag against India comparing its economy and size?

disgusting behavior from Both sides. Deluded and Far Far away from reality. I wish our next Generation is not as stupid as we are

Achievements are relative. If we compare ourselves to you or Bangladesh (shitty comparison, I know) we are leagues ahead. However if we compare to eastern nations say Korea, china, Singapore et al, there is shit load of work to do.
So your vantage point matters.

Finally economy wins wars. A country with greater economic heft and sustainability will always prevail over a poor nations army over time. Its simple logic. Chinese have been doing it for long.
As far as overpowering Pakistan militarily: Yes we can do it. If nukes weren't in the picture, you wouldn't even be asking this question. 5-7 years more, we will increase our pace of modernisation while you will be constricted by limited avenues to buy weapons, money, timeline etc.

Can we match china in 50 years? Yes. Just because you have no hope, doesn't mean every one else is in the same boat. It has been done before and will happen again. Japan got overtaken, Russia got overtaken, US is being overtaken, just to cite a few examples.

 

[Sully3]

Seriously dude, you know how much a dollar is for Thai bhat, Indonesia IDR, Japanese yen etc. This shows level of your knowledge am just quoting for fun, I expect no frutiful discussion from you.

i dont think one can hold any serious discussion with anyone who starts their sentences with "seriously dude".

Facts remain, Afghani is near enough the same value as the INR. Most economists in the know all ready know Indian rupee is a high infalted currency that needs de valuing. Chai wala economics

72 missiles to arrange PAF pilots’ meeting 72 Virgins?
Coincidence?! I think not! LOL

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@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster

 

[soundHound]

i dont think one can hold any serious discussion with anyone who starts their sentences with "seriously dude".

Facts remain, Afghani is near enough the same value as the INR. Most economists in the know all ready know Indian rupee is a high infalted currency that needs de valuing. Chai wala economics


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@waz @The Eagle @WebMaster

Korean won is 1100+ per $, I will leave the rest as a task for you to know and understand about how a economy works, rest I know that you are a senior troll, perhaps with this excercise you might learn something.

 

[delta2]

Ball is there. We showed you in 71.

Lol! Typical brain washed Indian.

The Bangladeshis blamed Pakistan for not doing enough to help them during and after that mad natural disaster. Mujeeb was trained in Moscow and that was the ideal time to strike. The USSR planned and executed 71. You were just their pawns.

Will you now take credit for killing Mujeeb and his family too?

You got no balls. You attacked after a natural disaster like the cowards you have always been.

 

[SQ8]

72 missiles to arrange PAF pilots’ meeting 72 Virgins?
Coincidence?! I think not! LOL

Cant keep your bigoted upbringing against religion out of discussion.consideing all those Ignorant animals that thanked you also enjoy insulting religion?

Folks, the “Pakistani” @alee92nawaz celebrates the death of Pakistanis by thanking this post . shall we trace and post his address via IP here ?

 

[R Wing]

India is not a penny less economy unlike yours, India is multi trillion $$ economy and have already seen and fend off much tougher crisis in 90's, at this stage if India goes down then so will others.

India's external debt is almost 6x that of Pakistan.

But, yes, your economy is generally stronger. I'm just glad this deal took years to materialize, giving Pakistani strategists enough time to plan around this system.