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India, Russia ink S-400 missile system deal

Then tell me something. It is you who is avoiding saying any arguments to me. lol :lol:

You don't have a valid point to tell me anything.


Who is the pathetic religious cheapshot?


Well you are the one who is brought strategic nonsense... you don't have stable growth at least for couple of years.. but our economy growing year by year.. it's silly that you are trying to feel happy because of investment low for 9 months.. even chinese facing troubles... grow up, talk about economy when you have stable growth in your country... otherwise don't try to mock others..
 
After SU30 MKI now Indians will masturbate to this new toy for next 10 years



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Cheap one way drones in waves with the radar signature of known fighters can take care of any missile defence system

No one launches SAMs at drones, they are shot down by fighter aircrafts, so as not to give away SAM positions.

And a drone flying at a maximum 200 Km/hr speed, will always be distinguishable from a supersonic fighter aircraft.
 
S 400 will b made obsolete by the time its inducted...longer stand off weapons may be j 31 shud also be considered
 
Science has come from muslims?
Why muslims are so backward in science?
Why in the past Muslims ruled the world even India for a 1000 years ??? Why ??? because of their knowledge skill were way better than the rest of the world.
Islam teaches us to Seek Knowledge from cradle to grave.
Today Muslims have become greedy, ignorant and selfish.

Some Examples:
Abu al-Wafa Buzjani
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Abu al-Wafa was a Persian, mathematician, and astronomer of medieval age. He was born in 940 AD in Buzhgan, Iran. His work on trigonometry and arithmetic opened the gate of knowledge for the scientists of medieval age. Many renowned Muslim scientists were Persians.

Abu al-Wafa contribute in trigonometry by introducing secant and cosecant functions. He also compiled a table of sines and tangents at the angel of 15 degree. Additionally, Abu al-Wafa was the first person invented and used wall-quadrant to observe the sky. For this inventions his name “Abu Wafa” was kept on one of the moon’s crater. Google changed their doodle in 2015 to honor Abu al-Wafa.

Inventions:

  • Introduced secant and cosecant functions.
  • Gave values of sine and tangent at 15 degree.
  • Build a quadrant (astronomical instrument).
Banu Musa Brothers
Banu-Musa-Brothers.jpg


Unlike Muslims scientists in this list, Banu Musa is not just one person but it is the group of 3 brothers – Abu Jafar, Abu al-Qasim, and Ahmad. Their work on mathematics and mechanics was frequently quoted by scientists of that time. Their treatise on mathematics (The Book of the Measurement of Plane and Spherical Figures) gave the numerical value of area and volume. Their famous treatise was (The Tricks Book) on mechanics consists of 100 mechanical devices. While in astronomy they measured the length of a year – 365 days 6 hours.

Inventions:

  • First to give numerical values of area and volume.
  • 100 mechanical devices.
  • Measured the length of a year.
Al-Battani
Al-Battani.jpg


He was among few Golden Age Muslim scientists and astronomers that featured by many European medieval age scientists. Al-Battani was born in c. 858 AD in Harran, Turkey. He was famous mathematician and astronomer. His treatise on astronomy – Kitab az-Zij – he calculated a year as being 365 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 24 seconds which is 99% accurate. Among his best-known works, the use of sines and tangents (trigonometry) in calculation got much fame.

Inventions:

  • He cataloged 489 stars.
  • Refined the value of a solar year, which is still 99% accurate.
http://listographic.com/top-muslim-scientists-and-their-inventions


Names of all Muslim Scientists in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
 
Why in the past Muslims ruled the world even India for a 1000 years ??? Why ??? because of their knowledge skill were way better than the rest of the world.
Islam teaches us to Seek Knowledge from cradle to grave.
Today Muslims have become greedy, ignorant and selfish.

Some Examples:
Abu al-Wafa Buzjani
Abu-al-Wafa-Buzjani.jpg


Abu al-Wafa was a Persian, mathematician, and astronomer of medieval age. He was born in 940 AD in Buzhgan, Iran. His work on trigonometry and arithmetic opened the gate of knowledge for the scientists of medieval age. Many renowned Muslim scientists were Persians.

Abu al-Wafa contribute in trigonometry by introducing secant and cosecant functions. He also compiled a table of sines and tangents at the angel of 15 degree. Additionally, Abu al-Wafa was the first person invented and used wall-quadrant to observe the sky. For this inventions his name “Abu Wafa” was kept on one of the moon’s crater. Google changed their doodle in 2015 to honor Abu al-Wafa.

Inventions:

  • Introduced secant and cosecant functions.
  • Gave values of sine and tangent at 15 degree.
  • Build a quadrant (astronomical instrument).
Banu Musa Brothers
Banu-Musa-Brothers.jpg


Unlike Muslims scientists in this list, Banu Musa is not just one person but it is the group of 3 brothers – Abu Jafar, Abu al-Qasim, and Ahmad. Their work on mathematics and mechanics was frequently quoted by scientists of that time. Their treatise on mathematics (The Book of the Measurement of Plane and Spherical Figures) gave the numerical value of area and volume. Their famous treatise was (The Tricks Book) on mechanics consists of 100 mechanical devices. While in astronomy they measured the length of a year – 365 days 6 hours.

Inventions:




    • First to give numerical values of area and volume.
    • 100 mechanical devices.
    • Measured the length of a year.
Al-Battani
Al-Battani.jpg


He was among few Golden Age Muslim scientists and astronomers that featured by many European medieval age scientists. Al-Battani was born in c. 858 AD in Harran, Turkey. He was famous mathematician and astronomer. His treatise on astronomy – Kitab az-Zij – he calculated a year as being 365 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes and 24 seconds which is 99% accurate. Among his best-known works, the use of sines and tangents (trigonometry) in calculation got much fame.

Inventions:




    • He cataloged 489 stars.
    • Refined the value of a solar year, which is still 99% accurate.
http://listographic.com/top-muslim-scientists-and-their-inventions

Names of all Muslim Scientists in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists
Lol......... :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Iam asking about real modern day science, not what you read in madarsa.
What is contribution of mdern day muslim scientists in field of medicine, space tech, medical , electronic , computer, physics, chemistry, math .
 
Lol......... :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Iam asking about real modern day science, not what you read in madarsa.
What is contribution of mdern day muslim scientists in field of medicine, space tech, medical , electronic , computer, physics, chemistry, math .


We will soon contribute counter to s 400
 
aw man now we gotta spend all that money and time in Drone swarms and Hypersonic Stand off weapons to neutralize those s-400 . we might have to take a page from Israeli or United states Air forces strategies.

Developing our own tactics with Chinese and turkish help could take a few years. till then Drone swarms, MIRV missles and Hypersonic stand off missiles are best bet. Too bad we never invested in EMP weapons like china has.
 
Lol......... :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

Iam asking about real modern day science, not what you read in madarsa.
What is contribution of mdern day muslim scientists in field of medicine, space tech, medical , electronic , computer, physics, chemistry, math .
You are an ignorant and a troll. Cant argue with you, provided sources and even told you why the modern day Muslims are not like those of the past. Go laugh on yourself.

Why are the Hindus so ignorant ??? Why you still buy Weapons from the west ??? Lack of Knowledge i guess !!!! End of story !!!!
 

Bābil was a major city of ancient Mesopotamia in the fertile plain between the Tigris and Euphrates

rivers.Babylon was originally a small Semitic Akkadian city dating from the period of the Akkadian Empire c. 2300 BC. Babylon eclipsed Nippur as the "holy city" of Mesopotamia around the time Amorite king Hammurabi created the first short lived Babylonian Empire in the 18th century BC. Babylon grew and South Mesopotamia came to be known as Babylonia.

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Halfway between the cities of Ur and Sippar - that is, between Sumer and northern Babylon, but it also was the seat of Enlil, the chief god of the Sumerian pantheon, the "Lord Wind," ruler of the cosmos and one of the triad of gods including Anu (Sumerian: An) and Ea (Sumerian: Enki). The city also played a major role in politics.

Even after 1800 BC., when the Babylonians made Marduk the most important god in southern Mesopotamia, Enlil was still worshiped and had his sanctuary. Nippur still remained a holy and prestigious city, with more than a hundred temples, regardless of which dynasty ruled Mesopotamia.

About .2300 BC, Sargon's Akkadian empire controls the city and around the year 2230 BC Sargon's grandson - Naram-Sin - under the influence of the oracle of the temple attacked Enlil in Nippur. As a result, there was a meeting of the eight most important gods, who withdrew their support for the king; the city’s inhabitants began to suffer from hunger.



i'm talking about PAKISTANI ABABEEL BM WHICH EQUIPPED WITH MIRV NOT IRAQI AND IRANIAN BM @Hindustani78 :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

Iranians are working on MIRV but there is lot of work have to be done with multiple warheads and guidance system. I dont think that Iranian military will deploy any missile inside Pakistan which will be directed against Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.


Narrated ‘Abd Allah (b. Mas’ud):

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: “When the black flags come from Khurasan, go to them, for among them is the khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.”

Abu Nasr al-Khaffaf – Khalid – Abu Qilabah – Thawban:
“When you see the black flags coming out from the direction of Khurasan, then go to them even if you have to crawl on snow, for verily among them is the khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.”

Ali bin AbuTalib narrated that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

قال صلى الله عليه وسلم ( يخرج رجل من وراء النهر يقال له الحارث بن حراث , على مقدمته رجل يقال له منصور , يوطيء او يمكن لال محمد كما مكنت قريش لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وجب على كل مؤمن نصره او قال اجابته
“A man called Al-Harith bin Harrath (Farmer son of a farmer, this is his description) will come forth from Ma Wara an-Nahr (“the place behind the river”. Transoxiana, meaning the region, between the Amu Darya and Syr Darya rivers, which includes Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, bordering Afghanistan ). His army (the black banners) will be led by a man called Mansur (His General) who will make matters ready and enabled (Shape the Middle East) for Muhammad’s family as Quraish enabled matters for the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم. Every believer must help him, or he (the Prophet) said: ‘respond to him (to his calls)’.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan AnNisa-ee, and Al-Buhaiqi)
Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Jiz Al-Zubaidi said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “People from the East will come to assist the Mahdi in laying the foundation for his dominion (before He emerges).” (Ibn Maja, Tabarani)

Abu Hurairah said that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khorasan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach إيلياء Eelya (Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags” (they will conquer Israel, America is no longer around to defend them). (Tirmizi)

Amr Bin Marra Al-Jamli said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: ” ‘Surely, Black Flags will appear from the Khorasan until a group (of them) will tie their horse leashes to the Olive Trees between Beit-Lahia (in Gaza district, Palestine) and Harasta (near Damascus, Syria).’ We asked: ‘Are there any Olive trees between these places?’ He said, ‘If there isn’t any, then, soon (Olive trees) will grow so that those people (of Khorasan) will come and tie their horses there’.” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan p. 215)

Buraida said that Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “After me, there will be many expeditions (armies). You should be in the expeditions (armies) of Khorasan.” ( Jalal-uddine AsSuyuti’s Al-Urf Al-Wardi fi Akhbar Al-Mahdi, a part of Al-Hawi li Al-Fatawa)

Muhammad bin Al-Hanafia, said: ” A black banner (Army battalion) of Bani Al-Abbas ( family of Prophet Mohammad’s صلى الله عليه وسلم uncle, Al-Abbas) will come out (this was the Abbasid Khalifah in the past). Then, another black banner (Army battalion) will come from Khorasan (in the Future). Their turbans are black and their clothes are white. At their front end will be a man named Shuayb bin Salih (this is the name of al-Harith Ibn Harrath), from Tamim (tribe). They will defeat the supporters of the Sufyani (and proceed further) until he (Shuayb bin Salih) arrives in Jerusalem (where) he will lay the foundation for the Mahdi’s (future) dominion. He will be supplied with three hundred (men) from AshSham (Syria). From the time, he comes out (from Khorasan) until he hands over the matter (rule) to the Mahdi, there will be seventy-two months (six years).” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

“If the black banners split into 3 groups: a group calling for the progeny of Fatima (Ahl al Bayt to rule the Muslims), a group calling for the progeny of the Abbas (tribe of the prophet), and a group calling for (the kingship to be) for themselves…” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s book Kitab Al-Fitan)

Ali bin Abi Taleb (r.a.) said: “When the black banners differ among each other, a town/city of the towns/cities of Iram and the western side of its Mosque collapses (from the Earthquake). Then, in AshSham, three banners (armies) come out for each (warlord) of the As’Hab (reddish white man), Abqa’, and Sufyani. The Sufyani comes from AshSham and the Abqa’ from Egypt. The Sufyani will defeat them.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

Abi Ja’far said: “A young man from Bani Hashem (Prophet Mohammad’s صلى الله عليه وسلم family clan) with a mark in the palm of his right hand comes out from Khorasan with black banners (this is Mansur their General). Between his hands (meaning assisting him) will be Shuayb bin Salih (their leader). He fights the followers of the (1st) Sufyani and defeats them.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

Ali bin Abi Taleb (r.a.) said: “If (the 1st) Sufyani’s Cavalry marsh to Kufa (in Iraq), the people of Khorasan will be requested to come to aid. The people of Khorasan will come out seeking the Mahdi (wishing for him to appear, they know the prophecies and what will occur after they go to war). So, the Hashimi (Mansur, the General of the Army) with an army carrying black banners, at its front end is Shuayb bin Salih, He will meet the followers of the Sufyani at Istakhar Gate and a great battle will occur between them. The black banners will be victorious. Sufyani’s Cavalry will run away. At that time, people will wish for the Mahdi (to appear) and ask for him.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

kho.jpg
 
Bābil was a major city of ancient Mesopotamia in the fertile plain between the Tigris and Euphrates

rivers.Babylon was originally a small Semitic Akkadian city dating from the period of the Akkadian Empire c. 2300 BC. Babylon eclipsed Nippur as the "holy city" of Mesopotamia around the time Amorite king Hammurabi created the first short lived Babylonian Empire in the 18th century BC. Babylon grew and South Mesopotamia came to be known as Babylonia.

nippur14.jpg


Halfway between the cities of Ur and Sippar - that is, between Sumer and northern Babylon, but it also was the seat of Enlil, the chief god of the Sumerian pantheon, the "Lord Wind," ruler of the cosmos and one of the triad of gods including Anu (Sumerian: An) and Ea (Sumerian: Enki). The city also played a major role in politics.

Even after 1800 BC., when the Babylonians made Marduk the most important god in southern Mesopotamia, Enlil was still worshiped and had his sanctuary. Nippur still remained a holy and prestigious city, with more than a hundred temples, regardless of which dynasty ruled Mesopotamia.

About .2300 BC, Sargon's Akkadian empire controls the city and around the year 2230 BC Sargon's grandson - Naram-Sin - under the influence of the oracle of the temple attacked Enlil in Nippur. As a result, there was a meeting of the eight most important gods, who withdrew their support for the king; the city’s inhabitants began to suffer from hunger.





Iranians are working on MIRV but there is lot of work have to be done with multiple warheads and guidance system. I dont think that Iranian military will deploy any missile inside Pakistan which will be directed against Republic of India and Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.


Narrated ‘Abd Allah (b. Mas’ud):

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: “When the black flags come from Khurasan, go to them, for among them is the khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.”

Abu Nasr al-Khaffaf – Khalid – Abu Qilabah – Thawban:
“When you see the black flags coming out from the direction of Khurasan, then go to them even if you have to crawl on snow, for verily among them is the khalifah of Allah, the Mahdi.”

Ali bin AbuTalib narrated that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

قال صلى الله عليه وسلم ( يخرج رجل من وراء النهر يقال له الحارث بن حراث , على مقدمته رجل يقال له منصور , يوطيء او يمكن لال محمد كما مكنت قريش لرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وجب على كل مؤمن نصره او قال اجابته
“A man called Al-Harith bin Harrath (Farmer son of a farmer, this is his description) will come forth from Ma Wara an-Nahr (“the place behind the river”. Transoxiana, meaning the region, between the Amu Darya and Syr Darya rivers, which includes Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, bordering Afghanistan ). His army (the black banners) will be led by a man called Mansur (His General) who will make matters ready and enabled (Shape the Middle East) for Muhammad’s family as Quraish enabled matters for the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم. Every believer must help him, or he (the Prophet) said: ‘respond to him (to his calls)’.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan AnNisa-ee, and Al-Buhaiqi)
Abdullah bin Al-Harith bin Jiz Al-Zubaidi said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “People from the East will come to assist the Mahdi in laying the foundation for his dominion (before He emerges).” (Ibn Maja, Tabarani)

Abu Hurairah said that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khorasan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach إيلياء Eelya (Jerusalem) where they will erect their flags” (they will conquer Israel, America is no longer around to defend them). (Tirmizi)

Amr Bin Marra Al-Jamli said that the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: ” ‘Surely, Black Flags will appear from the Khorasan until a group (of them) will tie their horse leashes to the Olive Trees between Beit-Lahia (in Gaza district, Palestine) and Harasta (near Damascus, Syria).’ We asked: ‘Are there any Olive trees between these places?’ He said, ‘If there isn’t any, then, soon (Olive trees) will grow so that those people (of Khorasan) will come and tie their horses there’.” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan p. 215)

Buraida said that Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “After me, there will be many expeditions (armies). You should be in the expeditions (armies) of Khorasan.” ( Jalal-uddine AsSuyuti’s Al-Urf Al-Wardi fi Akhbar Al-Mahdi, a part of Al-Hawi li Al-Fatawa)

Muhammad bin Al-Hanafia, said: ” A black banner (Army battalion) of Bani Al-Abbas ( family of Prophet Mohammad’s صلى الله عليه وسلم uncle, Al-Abbas) will come out (this was the Abbasid Khalifah in the past). Then, another black banner (Army battalion) will come from Khorasan (in the Future). Their turbans are black and their clothes are white. At their front end will be a man named Shuayb bin Salih (this is the name of al-Harith Ibn Harrath), from Tamim (tribe). They will defeat the supporters of the Sufyani (and proceed further) until he (Shuayb bin Salih) arrives in Jerusalem (where) he will lay the foundation for the Mahdi’s (future) dominion. He will be supplied with three hundred (men) from AshSham (Syria). From the time, he comes out (from Khorasan) until he hands over the matter (rule) to the Mahdi, there will be seventy-two months (six years).” (Nuaim Ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

“If the black banners split into 3 groups: a group calling for the progeny of Fatima (Ahl al Bayt to rule the Muslims), a group calling for the progeny of the Abbas (tribe of the prophet), and a group calling for (the kingship to be) for themselves…” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s book Kitab Al-Fitan)

Ali bin Abi Taleb (r.a.) said: “When the black banners differ among each other, a town/city of the towns/cities of Iram and the western side of its Mosque collapses (from the Earthquake). Then, in AshSham, three banners (armies) come out for each (warlord) of the As’Hab (reddish white man), Abqa’, and Sufyani. The Sufyani comes from AshSham and the Abqa’ from Egypt. The Sufyani will defeat them.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

Abi Ja’far said: “A young man from Bani Hashem (Prophet Mohammad’s صلى الله عليه وسلم family clan) with a mark in the palm of his right hand comes out from Khorasan with black banners (this is Mansur their General). Between his hands (meaning assisting him) will be Shuayb bin Salih (their leader). He fights the followers of the (1st) Sufyani and defeats them.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

Ali bin Abi Taleb (r.a.) said: “If (the 1st) Sufyani’s Cavalry marsh to Kufa (in Iraq), the people of Khorasan will be requested to come to aid. The people of Khorasan will come out seeking the Mahdi (wishing for him to appear, they know the prophecies and what will occur after they go to war). So, the Hashimi (Mansur, the General of the Army) with an army carrying black banners, at its front end is Shuayb bin Salih, He will meet the followers of the Sufyani at Istakhar Gate and a great battle will occur between them. The black banners will be victorious. Sufyani’s Cavalry will run away. At that time, people will wish for the Mahdi (to appear) and ask for him.” (Nuaim bin Hammad’s Kitab Al-Fitan)

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is this related to the subject @Hindustani78 :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::crazy::crazy::crazy:

We are talking about how to neutralize Indian S-400 and this one is one of the option for Pakistan to neutralize Indian S-400 @Hindusttani78 :devil::devil::mad::angry:
ABABEEL MIRV BALLISTIC MISSILE
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1) So tell us which supersonic decoy drone do you posses or are planning to develop, which accurately mimic the radar signature of your F-16s/ Jf 17s? and again don't form conjectures.

2) What do you think, when in range how many Jf-17s can a S400 engage in one go?

3) What about the 250 Km 48N6E3 missile, what is the range of your MAR-1 again?
We have another option long range terminally guided MRLS to neutralize S-400 @Osiris
 

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