India retaliates

[baajey]

i guess the diplomat just ignored to revise the pay scale of the maid.....n may be the maid was cool with her new life in a new place......alas !! uncle sam got the wind of it......and acted like a 'jerk' to uphold its friggin labour laws. kudos to US .....
or else we all dont know something yet....

 

[Solomon2]

and Gay love making is not related to consular services. So as the Indian Supreme Court has upheld gay relations as illegal it makes perfect sense to arrest the errant US consular personnel.

Why not, if it can be kept in line with international law and practice. Of course, you'd have to be able to present evidence and show the arrest wasn't arbitrary. And if the law or its enforcement just changed, under customary international law you'll have to notify the consul first that one of his officers is now considered a criminal, as a number of countries (like France) have laws on the books they don't ever enforce and are instead superseded by custom and practice rather than wiped from the books.

But if India really cares about sex crimes committed by diplomats, why not target the pedophiles first?

Was she a Physical threat or flight risk that she had to be manacled. That is the primary issue so far as India is concerned.

Enslavement is considered a serious felony in the U.S. The charge had nothing to do with her duties so the arrest went by the book.

 

[shashank]

How about this? Double standard. Why not follow the laws of the land?
U.S. diplomat flees Kenya after killing man whose wife was pregnant in car crash | Mail Online

 

[timetravel]

Why not, if it can be kept in line with international law and practice. Of course, you'd have to be able to present evidence and show the arrest wasn't arbitrary. And if the law or its enforcement just changed, under customary international law you'll have to notify the consul first that one of his officers is now considered a criminal, as a number of countries (like France) have laws on the books they don't ever enforce and are instead superseded by custom and practice rather than wiped from the books.

But if India really cares about sex crimes committed by diplomats, why not target the pedophiles first?

Do not worry about the pedophiles, worry about the gun trotting psychos on US college campuses.

as you diplomat do not have immunity, so they can be arrested any time by Delhi police.

The hardened Gay relations criminals of US consulate cannot escape their fate by giving stupid excuses.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Enslavement is considered a serious felony in the U.S. The charge had nothing to do with her duties so the arrest went by the book.

Well then go by your book! Little wonder that Americans over the years either faced being told "Yanqui go home" or worse still; got shot at or even beheaded in different parts of the world. And it will still continue.

Simply because American are asinine enough to think that their methods of doing things are the only way or the only right way.
That arrogance has been and will be very expensive.

 

[shashank]

Has it ever occurred to you that living ANY kind of a life at $3 an hour is next to impossible in NYC? A small bottle of water will cost you $2. You probably never thought that though and I'm quite sure she didn't fully understand that either. But one things for sure the consulate knew exactly what it costs.

She was basically stuck in servitude with little options. Even asking to be paid for more than 8 hours a day was denied.
A pretty cruel thing to do to someone.

Mr. Peter,
It is very much possible to live in NY with 3$/hr when all her other expenses are taken care of like food, accomodation, clothing, travel etc. Basically she will not be spending anything from her pay.But the allegations of 3$/hr and not paying for overtime are yet to be proved and we are not discussing about that. We are discussing about the way she was arrested. She is just not a person, she is a representative of a country.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Was she a Physical threat or flight risk that she had to be manacled. That is the primary issue so far as India is concerned.
Even in India, an accused CANNOT be manacled unless he/she is either a physical threat or a flight risk or was armed and dangerous. That is expressly forbidden by Indian Courts.

Unfortunately this is not India so this right of not being handcuffed doesn't apply outside your borders.

Being handcuffed and fingerprinted is standard operating procedures of being arrested.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Mr. Peter,
It is very much possible to live in NY with 3$/hr when all her other expenses are taken care of like food, accomodation, clothing, travel etc. Basically she will not be spending anything from her pay.But the allegations of 3$/hr and not paying for overtime are yet to be proved and we are not discussing about that. We are discussing about the way she was arrested. She is just not a person, she is a representative of a country.

See now I can't make an assumption that all her expenses aren't paid but you are fine with making an assumption that her contract issue is moot.

 

[sackedelic]

Why not, if it can be kept in line with international law and practice. Of course, you'd have to be able to present evidence and show the arrest wasn't arbitrary. And if the law or its enforcement just changed, under customary international law you'll have to notify the consul first that one of his officers is now considered a criminal, as a number of countries (like France) have laws on the books they don't ever enforce and are instead superseded by custom and practice rather than wiped from the books.

But if India really cares about sex crimes committed by diplomats, why not target the pedophiles first?

Enslavement is considered a serious felony in the U.S. The charge had nothing to do with her duties so the arrest went by the book.

You have identified the problem yourself, nobody in the Indian Consulate was informed that one of their officer is now considered a criminal. Rather, just as in the case of the school-going daughter of another consular officer, the NYPD went in and handcuffed and arrested the officer right out of the school and made a public show out of it. The crime committed by the diplomat is still in the he said, she said, this contract, that contract stage, a lot needs to be sorted out both in Indian and US courts, so its not like she was convicted by a court of law. She wasn't even taken in for questioning/interview by the police (as far as I know), just straight handcuffed and jail. You need to show more diplomacy than that while dealing with diplomats and where international relations are at stake, the US should know that as it demands the absolute maximum for its diplomats, as well as for its citizens in foreign lands.

 

[shashank]

• Joshua Walde, an American diplomat stationed in Kenya, who was allegedly speeding, crashed his SUV into a full mini-bus, killing one and injuring eight more

• Walde and his family were rushed out of the country the next day by U.S. Embassy officials

• The crash victims were left destitute without any financial assistance to help pay their hospital bills

• The Kenyan man killed in the crash leaves behind a pregnant widow and three children

• Walde may not being held accountable for the accident due to his diplomatic immunity

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2384381/U-S-diplomat-flees-Kenya-killing-man-wife-pregnant-car-crash.html#ixzz2nlp2mN1X

See now I can't make an assumption that all her expenses aren't paid but you are fine with making an assumption that her contract issue is moot.

Well let's take both assumptions are correct. But again we are discussing about the way she was arrested.You may want to say, it's the standard procedure and government is not violating the US laws then what about the Joshua walde case. His case is worse than nanny's case.

 

[Juice]

Gay sex is not allowed in India. So you guys won't have any problem if we arrest any homosexual among them ?

Arrest his Indian boyfriend. Put him to death! I would prefer this.

 

[American Pakistani]

We have also the story of Raymond Davis and flying of drones.

Firstly i would like to ask @Aeronaut & @WebMaster that why is this member trolling & dragging Pakistan into it?

Secondly world knows that there is secret agreement on drone issue. As for Raymond Davis, according to Pakistani law if victim family agrees on blood money then court can free the criminal/guilty person...so the victim families agreed on blood money & hence Raymond Davis was freed.

Just Shown Your Supa Pawa In Drown Attack First ( After Parliament resolution 3 years + Counting ) ... Blaming Others.....

I assume you are talking about Pakistan which is offtopic i guess...what say @Aeronaut @WebMaster @Zakii @Oscar. So i request Mods to take action against trolls.

Secondly Pakistan never claimed to be a Super Power whereas forget about civilians even indian govt officials & president claim to be a super power

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Why not, if it can be kept in line herewith international law and practice. Of course, you'd have to be able to present evidence and show the arrest wasn't arbitrary. And if the law or its enforcement just changed, under customary international law you'll have to notify the consul first that one of his officers is now considered a criminal, as a number of countries (like France) have laws on the books they don't ever enforce and are instead superseded by custom and practice rather than wiped from the books.

But if India really cares about sex crimes committed by diplomats, why not target the pedophiles first?

Enslavement is considered a serious felony in the U.S. The charge had nothing to do with her duties so the arrest went by the book.

It's not as simple as you say. Counselors and senior staff handle all kinds of sensitive discussions and are privy to all kinds of state secrets. It is because of this that there are international conventions that provide them immunity. Else it is possible for any government to park anyone in jail and then extract said information. That is why the internationally recognized norm in dealing with diplomats is to expel them. Your laws are irrelevant here. You should have expelled her (acceptable punishment). If you insist on not following conventions, no one will be able to deal with you with any sense of security.