India retaliates

[KRAIT]

This has zero to do with any broken law. If she killed and ate 10 New Yorkers, she has diplomatic immunity. I don't say this out of any love for foreigners. Diplomatic law has been decided as the best way for nations to deal with each other. This is after 1000's of years. How the offender is treated in their own country is in itself a diplomatic statement. Do you really want relations with a nation that would let murderers go free? This is a simpler matter. Let the Indians handle it. I'm sure her career is hurt. If a diplomat in Liberia embarrassed the Country and was kicked out, I'm sure their career would hurt, less one from the US.

Gay sex is not allowed in India. So you guys won't have any problem if we arrest any homosexual among them ?

 

[sincity]

He just said it is not about the law but diplomacy.

Because US hold the power of persuasion, US can pressure any country to comply to US demand not the other way around, want to be treat equal you must be equal to be treat as one.

 

[Developereo]

I'm sure her career is hurt.

Then you don't understand south Asian culture.

She will be a hero.
The nanny who was underpaid will be the villain. The nanny probably knew that she has zero chance of getting justice back in India, so she will probably never return to India.

 

[Indo-guy]

India retaliates, Delhi Police remove barricades from outside US embassy - The Times of India


NEW DELHI: (PTI) India on Tuesday retaliated strongly to the arrest of its deputy consul general in New York by initiating series of steps to strip US diplomats and their families of privileges including withdrawing all airport passes and stopping import clearances for the embassy. Delhi polce on Tuesday removed barricades from outside the US embassy to protest against the arrest of Indian envoy in US.

Asking all Consulate personnel and their families to turn in their ID cards immediately, the government has also sought key information such as salaries paid to all Indian staff employed at the Consulates and by Consulate officers and families including as domestic helps.

"The government has asked for all US Consulate personnel's ID cards and that of their families immediately. These will now be downgraded on par with with what the US provides to our Consulates in US," sources said.

The government has asked the US to provide it with visa information and other details of all teachers at US schools and pay and bank accounts of Indians in these schools.

Apart from these measures, government has stopped all import clearances for the US embassy including for liquor.

Also, the traffic barricades near the US embassy on Nyaya Marg here will be lifted except the picket.

India has reacted sharply to the arrest of Deputy Consul General Devyani Khobragade, who was handcuffed in public in New York on visa fraud charges last week. Earlier, Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh summoned US Ambassador Nancy Powell and issued a demarche in this regard.

The displeasure was also evident among leaders and officials of Indian government who cancelled their meetings with visiting US Congressional delegation. Home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Tuesday cancelled his meeting with the US team ostensibly as a mark of protest against the treatment meted out to Khobragade.

On Monday, Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar had cancelled her meeting with a senior US Congressional delegation due to the same reason.

National security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon, who also had a scheduled meeting with the five-member US team, did not meet them, apparently for the same reason.

The delegation comprised Congressmen George Holding (Republican - North Carolina), Pete Olson (Republican - Texas) David Schweikert (Republican - Arizona), Robert Woodall (Republican - Georgia), Madeleine Bordallo (Democrat - Guam).

39-year-old Khobragade, a 1999-batch IFS officer, was taken into custody last week on visa fraud charges on a street in New York as she was dropping her daughter to school before being released on a $250,000 bond after pleading not guilty in court.

 

[sincity]

Do you remember a US guy killed few in Pakistan? Why did US not allow Pakistan to prosecute him?

US hold the power.

 

[WAR-rior]

Do you remember a US guy killed few in Pakistan? Why did US not allow Pakistan to prosecute him?

You mean the Raymond Davis episode. Its high time we show them true meaning of hypocricy and justice.

If they think India to be Pakistan, they are sadly, deeply mistaken and you can see how American Diplomats are shitting with fear after their DIPLOMATIC IMUNITY is taken back by India. No security in Embassy, No airport Pass. Ab gand fategi benchodon ki jab Embassy se America travel karna hoga.

 

[janon]

This has zero to do with any broken law. If she killed and ate 10 New Yorkers, she has diplomatic immunity. I don't say this out of any love for foreigners. Diplomatic law has been decided as the best way for nations to deal with each other. This is after 1000's of years. How the offender is treated in their own country is in itself a diplomatic statement. Do you really want relations with a nation that would let murderers go free? This is a simpler matter. Let the Indians handle it. I'm sure her career is hurt. If a diplomat in Liberia embarrassed the Country and was kicked out, I'm sure their career would hurt, less one from the US.

That's not really true, diplomatic immunity extends only for actions performed in pursuance of their consular duties. Employing personal staff also falls under diplomatic immunity, because diplomats have to live there and have their personal affairs taken care of, to be diplomats. So her employment of nannies and her paying them are all under diplomatic immunity. But by no stretch can cannibalism on the streets of new york be argued to be in furtherance of a diplomat's consular duties. In such cases, both nations will agree to waive all immunity.

In this case though, she is very much protected by immunity, and if USA doesn't like what she does, the most they can do is to declare her persona non grata, not arrest her or prosecute her.

BTW, I would love to know how much the american embassies in India pay the janitors and gardeners and other staff - do they pay them what this nanny expects to be paid? In other words, are the menial employees in the consulates in India paid more than what the president of India earns? Like somebody above suggested, India should hire lawyers in federal courts to argue on behalf of all the "underpaid" Indian employees in american consulates in India.

(This nanny has gone to court for not being paid 50,000 dollars a year. That's a little less than what the president of India gets paid, and roughly on par with what the service chiefs and chief justice of India earn.)

 

[StormShadow]

India government want to make a mountain out of a mold hill.

Ok...now I know i'm quoting a chinese.

 

[Star Wars]

Obama will say sorry

back to normal

after 1 year something else will happen , back to square one ...

 

[adwityagrata]

Because US hold the power of persuasion, US can pressure any country to comply to US demand not the other way around, want to be treat equal you must be equal to be treat as one.

LOL. I can see that barbarians do not understand civilized behavior. Are you a Chinese ?

 

[Bang Galore]

That's not really true, diplomatic immunity extends only for actions performed in pursuance of their consular duties. Employing personal staff also falls under diplomatic immunity, because diplomats have to live there and have their personal affairs taken care of, to be diplomats. So her employment of nannies and her paying them are all under diplomatic immunity. But by no stretch can cannibalism on the streets of new york be argued to be in furtherance of a diplomat's consular duties. In such cases, both nations will agree to waive all immunity.

In this case though, she is very much protected by immunity, and if USA doesn't like what she does, the most they can do is to declare her persona non grata, not arrest her or prosecute her.

By the strict letter of the law, there may be some doubt about her immunity but as the U.S. is finding out, reciprocity is such a pain. No more privileged treatment, they now get exactly what they allow for Indian diplomats, nothing more. All additional privileges are being withdrawn. Unlikely to be restored no matter what happens in the Indian diplomat's case.

Btw, diplomatic immunity is pretty much blanket when dealing with embassy staff(diplomats), limited only with consular staff.

 

[sincity]

LOL. I can see that barbarians do not understand civilized behavior. Are you a Chinese ?

Who am I isn't important, what important is a criminal get caught in the US but Indian government make a big deal out of body search and handcuff done by the police on the suspect.

 

[adwityagrata]

Then you don't understand south Asian culture.

She will be a hero.
The nanny who was underpaid will be the villain. The nanny probably knew that she has zero chance of getting justice back in India, so she will probably never return to India.

Dr. Devyani Khobragade is most certainly a Hero.

I do not think that the nanny is worried about justice. She is more worried about getting a US citizenship or green card

In any case since the nanny went against Indian High court directive not to file charges in any other court, she will most certainly be arrested if she is forced to come back to India. She has already burnt her bridges. There is no happy ending for her.

 

[sincity]

Dr. Devyani Khobragade is most certainly a Hero.

I do not think that the nanny is worried about justice. She is more worried about getting a US citizenship or green card

In any case since the nanny went against Indian High court directive not to file charges in any other court, she will most certainly be arrested if she is forced to come back to India. She has already burnt her bridges. There is no happy ending for her.

So Indian government punish the victim and protect a criminal just because a criminal is a diplomat or high caste in Indian society?

 

[janon]

By the strict letter of the law, there may be some doubt about her immunity but as the U.S. is finding out, reciprocity is such a pain. No more privileged treatment, they now get exactly what they allow for Indian diplomats, nothing more. All additional privileges are being withdrawn. Unlikely to be restored no matter what happens in the Indian diplomat's case.

Why is there any doubt about her immunity?

BTW the law of rciprocity should have been followed in any case. Indian diplomats should expect the same priviledges we extend to theirs.

Is there any chance that employees in the american embassy and consulates can be charged for not paying minimum federal wages to Indian staff? That would be sweet, if they have to pay the janitor more than what his president earns.