India rejects Pakistan's call for plebiscite in Indian Kashmir

[Razia Sultana]

If Pakistan is so serious on plebiscite, they should start from whats in their control. Pathetic diplomatic move.

 

[Pulsar]

Reinstating his stance, Abbasi claimed that Indian-held Kashmir has been internationally recognised as a disputed territory, underwritten by several United Nations resolutions thus the matter is in no way irrelevant.

Bullshit! Kashmir has been taken out of the list of unresolved disputes by the UN in 2010.

'Indian held Kashmir'? How about Pak Occupied Kashmir where 47% Kashmiris want independence from Pakistan?

The fact is Kashmir is an integral part of India and will remain so till the sun becomes a red giant, turning the earth into molten rock. Till then, Pakistan can keep crying rivers.

 

[Viny]

Asli Pari ka dhaga ..... G phati tou bhaga

 

[hussain0216]

Independence is not an option since beginning.

Only a handful of people will choosh independence

The reality will be this, assuming voter turn out is high

90% + of azad kashmir will vote for Pakistan
Some will vote for independence

In indian occupied Kashmir
The vote will be more mixed
In muslim majority areas the vote will be between Pakistan and independence

In more mixed areas it will be between independence, india and smaller amount for Pakistan


The overall sum total will be a Pakistani walk in the park

With independence coming second and the vote for India only in some heavily mixed or hindu majority parts on Jammu


The indians know this hence no referendum, they want time, occupation, bribes in the form of subsidies and a softening of the Pakistani stance to make LOC border

They fail to understand pakistani resilience, kashmiri will, and the basic animosity towards indian hindus

There is a further factors and that is a over populated india with increasing hindutva authoritarianism tendencies so a future india may have much increased conflict between populations

The indian muslims themselves may have to fight for partition and their rights

Kashmir a already muslim state has to reason to join a hindu country

 

[mufti]

Only a handful of people will choosh independence

The reality will be this, assuming voter turn out is high

90% + of azad kashmir will vote for Pakistan
Some will vote for independence

In indian occupied Kashmir
The vote will be more mixed
In muslim majority areas the vote will be between Pakistan and independence

In more mixed areas it will be between independence, india and smaller amount for Pakistan


The overall sum total will be a Pakistani walk in the park

With independence coming second and the vote for India only in some heavily mixed or hindu majority parts on Jammu


The indians know this hence no referendum, they want time, occupation, bribes in the form of subsidies and a softening of the Pakistani stance to make LOC border

They fail to understand pakistani resilience, kashmiri will, and the basic animosity towards indian hindus

There is a further factors and that is a over populated india with increasing hindutva authoritarianism tendencies so a future india may have much increased conflict between populations

The indian muslims themselves may have to fight for partition and their rights

Kashmir a already muslim state has to reason to join a hindu country

I don't think it will be a walk in the park. J&K muslim population was 68% in 2011 census and rest others i.e 32% are hindus (including 1.9% sikhs). Don't think these 32% are going to vote for Pakistan. Moreover 15% of 68% are Shias which are not going to vote in favor of Pakistan They are against favor of joining Pakistan. We are left with 53% of Sunni Population, most of them will vote for Independence, minority will vote for Pakistan (Let's take it on higher side say 25%) and handful of them say 4 to 5% will vote for India. Even then it does not make the equation in favor of us.

This has been discussed on another thread yesterday and based on it, it seems difficult to me.

Hope we get it one day !!

 

[Zibago]

If Pakistan is so serious on plebiscite, they should start from whats in their control. Pathetic diplomatic move.

I am ajk,an wahan so bari bhi karlo the answer would be same i.e Pakistan

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

Lol pakistan nowadays looking very nervous due to system failure and growing anti national view with in their country . No onecares about Pakistan anymore . Their nuclear threats are like north koreans warning The US lol . Really funny how india successfully paralysing pakistan diplomacy globally . Sri Lanka Bangladesh already banged their ISI proxies in the name of diplomats . Even afghans people themselves house arrested pakistan diplomats . They are now forced flee their houses and stay Inside commission house .... Americans onome hand used pakistan to pulp and killed so many innocent pakistanis with their drones and now siding with india and arm twisting pakistan to act against terrorism . Whole new level of drama hoing on . While India slowly and steadily stock piling weapons and resources to compete with china . And thats quite a lit of fire power build up going ...

These are very good reason to call their recent action as insecure . So pakistan have no other choice but to keep the peace loving developed and developing countries on their toes about creating another war with india . But world have ckear picture about very much predictable result if war happens .And that my friends failure foreign policy . World has moved from 1960s but Pakistan law makers still stuck in 47 .

 

[Zibago]

Why not plebiscite in Pakistan controlled Kashmir, or even in Pakistan to start with?



Most Kashmiris, including in ***, want to be with India: Farooq - timesofindia-economictimes

Modi effect! Azad Kashmir wants to be part of India | Zee News

Says a pro modi mullah with no knowlege of Azad Kashmir,s history or demographics.I am from Azad Kashmir and i can tell you with full assurance that no Ajkian wants to join the country which treats kashmiris as second rate citizen i mean our elders fought dogras and india to make Ajk part of Pakistan you have to be a drug addict to believe that Ajkians want to be part of India

 

[Razia Sultana]

I am ajk,an wahan so bari bhi karlo the answer would be same i.e Pakistan

Please tell this to OP.

 

[Whazzup]

Kashmir is the part of this union of India weather they like it or not. But we should solve this matter democratically by holding a plebiscite in entire India not just Kashmir so that all Indians can take part in this decision after all we'll have to live with the consequences afterall today its Kashmir tomorrow it will be some other state.

@SarthakGanguly , @levina your take on this?

 

[Optimos Prime IA]

I don't think it will be a walk in the park. J&K muslim population was 68% in 2011 census and rest others i.e 32% are hindus (including 1.9% sikhs). Don't think these 32% are going to vote for Pakistan. Moreover 15% of 68% are Shias which are not going to vote in favor of Pakistan They are against favor of joining Pakistan. We are left with 53% of Sunni Population, most of them will vote for Independence, minority will vote for Pakistan (Let's take it on higher side say 25%) and handful of them say 4 to 5% will vote for India. Even then it does not make the equation in favor of us.

This has been discussed on another thread yesterday and based on it, it seems difficult to me.

Hope we get it one day !!

First of all no way UN will step in to Kashmir issue as both India and Pakistan signed shimla agreement . Pakiatan in its life had best chance in 1965 . When pakistan was economically well off when compared with india , pakistan had very high superior airforce tahn india , even their tanks were highl advanced than indian army . India suffered brutal loss in 1962 china war . Pakistan had inked mutual strategic deal with china who supplied huge cache of arms which over whelmed indian army as indian reserve was nearly nill .

And pakistan gave it a try . But we all know what happened in 1965 . India Punjab these superior pakistanis tanks arr still kept for display as tank grave yard and gave brutal retaliation . Because human resources india can manage is too superior to pakistan or in many aspect China's . Our soldiers will to fight with what ever they have yet do to bravely . 1965 war was like impossible victory for India . Yet we marched till Lahore aftrr which peace agreement reached .

No way even in dreams pakistan will win conventional or nuclear war with india when india turned its armed forces into brut fire power . They lost their last chance when they had superiority over india over all in 1965 later india moved in and divided pakistan into two . If Pakistan it is what is been told by many here then by now Pakistan coild have taken kashmir . Today india is in better position with 21 days of two front front war reserves . Which high intensity war simultaneously with china anc pakistan . Whivh means atleast 45/90 days worth of reserves for full scale war against Pakistan . Am sure with in days of war pakistan will loss its defence their country landscape itself a bid drawback . With several groups waiting to strike Pakistan military india will have free run

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Kashmir is the part of this union of India weather they like it or not. But we should solve this matter democratically by holding a plebiscite in entire India not just Kashmir so that all Indians can take part in this decision after all we'll have to live with the consequences afterall today its Kashmir tomorrow it will be some other state.

@SarthakGanguly , @levina your take on this?

We just had an election. We have had regular elections, unlike Pakistan, the other party in the so called and now non existant dispute. Problem is that in case of plebicite it will be a tie. Roughly 35% non Muslims will vote for India and 5% non Muslims will vote for independence. Out of 60% Sunnis, a quarter will vote for India, another quarter for Pakistan, and the other half for Independence.

30% Muslim - Independence
15% Muslim - Pakistan
15% Muslim - India
35% non Muslim - India
5% non Muslim - Independence

But the problem is that Muslims are the only group that is locally armed, but for the security forces. So in a 'free' election, they will drive out the rest easily. The Muslim vote for Independence and Pakistan will get polarized and go entirely with Pakistan. Muslim vote for India will remain at 15% as they have no choice unless an amnesty is declared for them by the Islamic State wannabes. 40% non Muslims will vote for India. So it will be neck to neck. Why take the chance? When you have a headache, you dn't cut your fkng head off. Do you?

Worst - it will call for similar calls for plebicite in other parts of the country. Nizami Razakars in Old Hyderabad can call for one in Hyderabad itself. In Old Hyderabad, they are sure to win independence if given a chance to vote. Same case will be in Assam, perhaps...or in North Kerala.

It is much better to convert the Muslims to other faiths and/or otherwise tweak the demographics in an active (as opposed to the passive manner). That way, Islamic rebellions will be nipped in the bud.

 

[Sipahi]

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LOL ... you know what I exactly mean

 

[FULL_METAL]

India a so called democracy unwilling to give the Kashmiris a democratic referendum because it knows it will lose

 

[Soulspeek]

Dil ko behlane ke liye Ghalib khyal acchaa hai....

Well, it is under shimla accord...what's wrong with that.....even 700,000 Indian army in Kashmir will vote against Indian occupation. Indian army is frustrated now, they want political solution of that region;.Open war is less painful then make army slowly bleed..

Mirpuris do not count as Kashmiris.

Mirpuris are not ethnic Kashmiris at all. They are ethnic Pothwaris and speak the Pothwari language. They simply PRETEND to be Kashmiris. This area was given to Raja Gulab Singh of Jammu and Kashmir by East India Company in 1846 as a reward for for his treachery to the Sikh Kingdom where he was a minister. Typically like most people living in Pakistan, the Mirpuris live in a dreamland, imagining themselves as what they really are not, like most Pakistanis imagining themselves as Arabs

I am ajk,an wahan so bari bhi karlo the answer would be same i.e Pakistan