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India Reissues Tender for 100 Armored Personnel Carriers | Defense News | defensenews.com

The Indian Defence Ministry has reissued a tender to buy 100 armored personnel carriers (APCs), slightly easing the requirements from 2009’s failed tender.

A Defence Ministry source said the qualitative requirements laid out in 2009 were “tough,” and sought to mix the best systems available on the market. The vendor also was reequired to make a special prototype of the APC to compete. None of the vendors could meet the qualitative requirements for the APCs in the earlier tender.

The requirements have been diluted slightly relating to the mobility of the vehicles, and the tender has again been issued to the same vendors involved in 2009: General Dynamics in the US, Rosoboronexport of Russia, Ukrainexport of Ukraine, Poland’s Bumar, Finmec*canica of Italy, BAE Systems of the UK and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann of Germany.

An Indian Army official said the vehicle procurement process is slow and the allocated budget has been nearly stagnant for the last three years.

The budget allocation for military vehicles for 2013-14 is only 20.8 billion rupees (US $377 million), compared with 22.6 billion rupees in 2012-13 and an actual spend of 23.5 billion rupees in 2011-’12.

To meet its APC requirements, the Army is using about 2,000 Russian BMP-1 and BMP-2 multipurpose armored vehicles, equipped with anti-tank missiles and other weapons.

Along with the purchase of 100 APCs, the global tender includes buying 60,668 armor piercing rounds, 91,004 high-explosive rounds for the 25-40mm cannon, 886,436 rounds of the 7.62 coaxial machine gun and 84,100 rounds for the 25mm-40mm anti-grenade launcher.

The requirements stipulate that the wheeled APCs be able to fire on the move, have good speed on the road and cross country, and have the ability to protect against mines, improvised explosive devices, small arms, grenades and artillery splinters.

The vehicle must be able to be armed with a machine gun, cannon and automatic grenade launcher.

In addition, the vehicle must have modern, secure communications, amphibious capability and the ability to cross obstacles.

The Army wants the cannon to be able to fire at targets, including helicopters, at a distance of 2,500 meters.

This month, India tapped a consortium of two domestic companies to supply the Army with 100 Tatra trucks, breaking a monopoly held by a Czech Republic-based firm.

Domestic companies Ashok Leyland and Larsen & Toubro formed the winning consortium, which beat another consortium composed of Tata Motors and Tata Power SED.

The bid by Czech firm Tatra Czech, filed jointly with state-owned Bharat Earth Movers, failed at the trial stage.
 
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Stopgap for FICV, but I don't understand this seperate tender, instead of combining the requirements. The also are looking for wheeled tank destroyers, or mortar carriers and most of the available platforms have these varients anyway. So it should be one competition where the manufacturers offer 3 different version of the same platform, which increases the number, while reducing the time for the competition and the total costs.
 
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Stopgap for FICV, but I don't understand this seperate tender, instead of combining the requirements. The also are looking for wheeled tank destroyers, or mortar carriers and most of the available platforms have these varients anyway. So it should be one competition where the manufacturers offer 3 different version of the same platform, which increases the number, while reducing the time for the competition and the total costs.

Maybe for an experimental Stryker type Brigade?But that itself requires around 330 Strykers of different variants like the M1126 ICV, M1128 MGS, M1129 MC and M1134 ATGM carriers etc which is not at all what the Army is looking for which is strange as they just want an IFV variant of the APC and not light tanks,mortar carriers and other vehicles etc.
I don't think so these would be issued for peacekeeping purposes considering they are supposed to be armed with 25mm to 40mm calibre autocannons.

Some of the APC's I think that would meet the requirements of the tender.

GDLS LAV IIIH
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Rosbonosexport BTR-82A
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Rosbonosexport BTR-90
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Ukrainexport BTR-4
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Bumar KTO Rosomak
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Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Boxer
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Finmeccanica VBM Freccia
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BAE Systems RG41
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why not just speed up the tender for the FICV ? the tata and mahindra models look bad-a$$!!
 
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Some other options

Nexter VBCI
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GDELS Pandur II
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GDELS Piranha V
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Iveco SuperAV
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Patria AMV
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Otokar Arma
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FNSS Pars
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Personally I think the BTR-4 is the best and cheapest option if only 100 vehicles are being ordered, if more than the AMV, Piranha V and Boxer are the best.
 
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why not just speed up the tender for the FICV ? the tata and mahindra models look bad-a$$!!

That's not how weapons systems are requisitioned.They'll only only be procured during the time allotted and according to the fund allocated by the Army in the fiscal years during which the BMP-2s will be replaced and newer FICVs procured.
 
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That's not how weapons systems are requisitioned.They'll only only be procured during the time allotted and according to the fund allocated by the Army in the fiscal years during which the BMP-2s will be replaced and newer FICVs procured.

no, the processing of tenders in India is very slow, if the processing speed is increased then we can hope to see FICV's entering the IA in 2018/2019 which is a lot better than 2022/2023. the point is that what use say is right but we spend so long on regularities we waste years in which the weapon system could have been inducted.
 
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1 more tender,,perfect receipe for 1 more future scandal,,

Are these vehicles so complex that we cant make these things in-house ( private firms),,
 
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Is it me, or all of them look almost the same!

Yes, all have 8 wheels and a turret.But that's where the similarities end.

1 more tender,,perfect receipe for 1 more future scandal,,

Are these vehicles so complex that we cant make these things in-house ( private firms),,

TATA and Ashok Leyland are working on the FICV which is going to be a tracked IFV.TATA also has a wheeled variant.
 
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Interesting, can you point out key differences in capabilities.

Modularity, Protection, Armament and Future Growth Potential.

BTR-82 and BTR-90 are probably the least modular the AMV and Piranha V on the other hand have huge modularity and future growth potential that's why they've been chosen for the FRES-UV.In the case of Armament there are manned turrets, unmanned turrets and overhead weapon stations.Protection in most can be set according to the threat perceived usually StANAG 4569 Level 3 to Level 4 in most APCs.
 
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Stanag level 3 to level 4 is pretty different ball game. at level 3 you are looking a AP 126 grain bullet at 930 m/s, thats ~2624J of terminal energy at 30 yards, whereas at level 4 you are looking at 988 grains at 911 m/s, thats almost 19,582 J of terminal impact energy at 200 yards. Difference between Level 3 and level 4 is quite startling. What kind of "modular" add on do you think one would need to get from level 3 to level 4 protection?
 
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http://www.agy.com/technical_info/graphics_PDFs/Fecko SAMPE INTL 2005 - Stanag 4569 Solns.pdf

Going from Level 4 to Level 5 is even more.Generally Level 3 or Level 2A/2B is offered as base protection by most modern APC's and IFV's. Level 4 and Level 5 protection add-on armour is added on the sides of the APC and IFV and on the turret.
For example Rafael offers APRO-P for the AAV with Level 5 protection. GDELS offers Steyr add-on armour for Pandur II with Level 4 protection.

More the future growth potential of the vehicle more armour and armaments it can take without losing on mobility and efficiency.
 
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APC ??? Then what the hell defence budget cut really cut ???
 
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