India protests, Vietnam buys arms from Pakistan

[TOPGUN]

Cry cry cry haha when will it end so damn shamful really and plz dont dry your damn eys keep crying hahaha.

 

[RiazHaq]

Pls support claims.

Britain will spend over $1.5 billion during the next three years in aid to Shining India, a nuclear-armed power that sent a spacecraft to the moon recently, to lift "hundreds of millions of people" out of poverty, the British secretary of state for international development said last November, according to the Guardian newspaper.

Douglas Alexander, the first cabinet minister to visit India's poorest state Bihar, said that despite "real strides in economic growth" there were still 828 million people living on less than $2 a day in India.

UK's Department of International Development says if the UN's millennium development goals - alleviating extreme poverty, reducing child mortality rates and fighting epidemics such as Aids - are left unmet in India, they will not be met worldwide. Some 43% of children go hungry and a woman dies in childbirth every five minutes.

British Minister Alexander contrasted the rapid growth in China with India's economic success - highlighting government figures that showed the number of poor people had dropped in the one-party communist state by 70% since 1990 but had risen in the world's biggest democracy by 5%.

Haq's Musings: Foreign Aid Continues to Pour in Resurgent India

 

[boxer_B]

HOW IGNORANT. These humanitarian aid are NOT to support COLLAPSING economy or nation rather to uplift poor. India didn't asked for it, money directly goes to poor and NOT to GoI.

And your beloved superpower china also accepts aid.

Foreign aid to the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Foreign aid to the People's Republic of China takes the form of both bilateral and multilateral official development assistance and official aid to individual recipients.

In 2001 it received US$1.4 billion in such disbursements, or about US$1.10 per capita. This total was down from the 1999 figures of US$2.4 billion and US$1.90 per capita. In 2003 China received US$1.3 billion in such disbursements, or about US$1 per capita.

Some of this aid comes to the People's Republic of China (PRC) in the form of socioeconomic development assistance through the United Nations (UN) system. The PRC received US$112 million in such UN assistance annually in 2001 and 2002, the largest portion coming from the UN Development Programme (UNDP).

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Tories hit out at UK aid to China

Suggestions that the UK should continue giving millions of pounds in aid to China until 2015 have come under fire from the Conservatives.

The Commons International Development Committee says that despite China's economic growth, it still suffers substantial poverty.

The superpower, which spent £20bn on last year's Beijing Olympics, received more than £38m in British aid in 2007.

The Tories say that UK aid should be targeted instead on poorer countries.

Shadow international development secretary Andrew Mitchell said: "British taxpayers need to know that their aid money is helping the poorest people in the world, not going to countries which have enough money to tackle poverty themselves.

"China... has an ambitious space exploration programme and is sitting on foreign exchange reserves of almost £2tn," he added.

Despite recent rapid growth, there is still substantial poverty in China
Malcolm Bruce, committee chairman

He pointed out that China is emerging as a major aid donor in its own right, despite around 16% of its 1.3 billion people still living in poverty.

Mr Mitchell said the countries should retain a strong development partnership based on dialogue, advice and skill sharing.

The cross-party International Development Committee had concluded that the aid is effective and needed in a country where just under half the population still live in poverty.

Millions have no access to clean water, sanitation or health care and HIV/Aids is spreading fast within vulnerable groups.

It said that aid to China should continue beyond the government's current proposed cut-off point of 2011.

Members want Britain to offer up to £10m a year until 2015 - more than twice the aid the UK gives to poverty-stricken Liberia, according to Mr Mitchell.

Much of the British aid goes to starting small scale projects which are picked up by the Chinese government once they prove effective.

Continued aid could help to influence China to develop in a sustainable, low-carbon direction, the committee said in a report.

Germany plans to stop foreign aid to China - The Local

The most recent figures available show that Germany gave China €67.5 million in 2007 and India €84 million in 2008.

Chinese Source itself
Countries offer more aid to China as vigils held overseas for quake victims_English_Xinhua

The government of Portugal provided 100,000 euros' (150,000 U.S. dollars) worth of relief materials to China, including tents, blankets, kitchenware, sanitary ware and food. These goods will be shipped to China on May 30 together with relief materials from other EU countries.

A Portuguese Interior Ministry official said the government will encourage Portuguese companies to give a helping hand.

Portuguese officials will discuss providing more aid to China next week, which might include sending a medical team to the quake-affected areas, a Portuguese civil protection official told Xinhua.

Nine Russian Air Force transport planes carrying more than 250 tons of relief materials took off on Saturday for China's earthquake-affected areas.

Eight Il-76 transport planes took off from Russia's Siberian region with tents, clothing and other items, as well as disaster relief experts onboard. Another An-124 plane carrying field kitchens, large army tents and blankets took off from Moscow.

The goods were part of additional Russian aid to China. A total of 12 flights are scheduled to deliver more aid cargo to China, where a massive earthquake has claimed more than 60,000 lives.

The transport planes will send mobile kitchens, tents, blankets, food and medicine to southwest China's Sichuan province, which was jolted by an 8.0-magnitude earthquake on May 12, Itar-Tass cited Russian Air Force commander's aide Alexander Drobyshevsky as saying.

Hundreds of Chinese living in Sweden and Chinese students gathered at the Sergels Torg square in central Stockholm Friday night for a candle-lit vigil to mourn those killed in the earthquake. All present at the vigil observed three minutes of silence.

In the northern Scottish port city of Glasgow, some 500 Chinese students and Chinese living in Britain also held a candle-lit vigil in a downtown square. Some Chinese diplomats in the United Kingdom also attended the vigil.

Vigil organizer Zong Pengfei, a student from east China's Jiangsu province, said Chinese students in Glasgow will go on a fundraising campaign this weekend to help the people in the quake-affected area.

In Vietnam, some Chinese company employees and workers donated 400,000 yuan (58,000 U.S. dollars) for the quake-hit areas.

Chinese living in New Zealand's largest city of Auckland and Chinese students there raised more than 240,000 New Zealand dollars (187,200 U.S. dollars) at different fundraising events for the quake-affected areas.

Next time view both sides of coin before opening your BIG mouth

 

[boxer_B]

i wonder if you have same identity complex.

Get a life.

India had been recieving international aid too. If you want should i start posting here.

Post it sister, bring it on!!!

 

[mr42O]

I have a Sri Lankan friends who has family members in Sri Lankan ARM FORCES. He says we got HUGE help from Pakistan in form of traning and buying cheap and good arms.

 

[mr42O]

And i must say indians have som real problem they will even complain if we **** in our country. I did not knew Indians had also problem with Vietnam. Wtf is wrong with you ppl ? Cant live friendly with ANY ONE ? Tell me one friend u have ?

 

[ironman]

^^^ Afghanistan

 

[Kompromat]

Nothing special about Indian behavior , its in their " Grape water" to cry..

 

[hindesi]

And i must say indians have som real problem they will even complain if we **** in our country. I did not knew Indians had also problem with Vietnam. Wtf is wrong with you ppl ? Cant live friendly with ANY ONE ? Tell me one friend u have ?

Naah we dont have any friends that are worthwhile listing here.. russia qualifies but non-alignment has it's pros n cons.. and as far as crying is concerned every nation "cries" ( if you wanna call it that ) when it sees it's interests being depleted by it's enemies which India luckily has a couple of them hell bent on destroying it!!! I think it justifies the "crying".

As far as your friend-list goes... few years back ur best buddy was Uncle Sam now it's China... I won't count other nations in sub-continent as your friends because every nation is opportunistic when it comes to defense deals.. also we could not give arms to Lankan because Tamils were involved and they are as Indian as a marathi, punjabi is. And you guys just could not let this priceless chance of getting money and seeing some hindus killed go so easily eh?

 

[Windjammer]

Praise be the Lord and pass on weapons that are reliable.

I doubt Vietnam or any one else has the stomach to buy from India specilly after the Dhurv fiasco.

 

[BlackenTheSky]

India will protest at anything. Last time it was Sri Lanka.

'PROTEST' only this is wat india can do guys..crying baby
...BUT WHO CARES

 

[boxer_B]

Praise be the Lord and pass on weapons that are reliable.

I doubt Vietnam or any one else has the stomach to buy from India specilly after the Dhurv fiasco.

Reliable weapons? SMG-PK 9 mm is Pakistani name of H&K MP5 SMG which Pakistan produces under license. Don't compare a production line with a chopper build in India. Its a shame to your and my intelligence. Do you realize how much royalty goes back to H&K even if POF sells these weapons?

'PROTEST' only this is wat india can do guys..crying baby
...BUT WHO CARES

Seems like we are not the only one who is crying

Russia confronts Pakistan, China over copied weapons - upiasia.com

Hong Kong, China — At a press conference held during an international exhibition of defense equipment in Turkey last summer, a Russian military delegation harshly criticized the Pakistan Ordnance Factories Company for copying Russian weapons systems.

The Russians claimed that the POF’s RPG-7P anti-tank rockets, 122-mm D-30 howitzer ammunition and PK-10 assault guns were 100-percent imitations of Russian systems. The PK-10 assault gun is a Pakistani version of the Russian Kalashnikov, or AK-47, the Russians pointed out. As for the other two weapons, even the names remain the same.

This seemed odd, as Pakistan has no history or culture of imitating foreign weapons. Following this press conference however, a visit to the Pakistan exhibit revealed that the PK-10 assault gun had been removed from the display.

The Russian Rosoboronexport delegation said that, as 2009 is the 90th birthday of the AK-47, Russia is paying special attention to protecting its intellectual property rights with regard to the assault rifle. For this purpose, Russia has signed agreements with China and Turkey on the protection of intellectual property rights of Russian weapons.

What is surprising is that the Russians did not know that the Pakistani Army had been employing PK-10 assault guns extensively. Ground forces in major cities like Islamabad and Karachi are all armed with PK-10 assault guns.

The Pakistanis explained that the PK-10 assault gun, D-30 howitzer projectile and RPG-7 anti-tank rocket were all manufactured by Pakistan under authorization from the People’s Republic of China, which had provided a license certificate.

“We received technical assistance cooperation from China in the earlier years, and all production activities were in accordance with the agreement between the two sides. Later, we upgraded the PK-10 and RPG-7P. We do not think that these weapons violate the intellectual property rights of any other country, as we have paid royalties to China for the production license,” a member of the Pakistani staff said.(then why was pk-10 removed from display)

As it turns out, the former Soviet Union did give China permission to produce AK-47s under license. As for the RPG-7 and D-30 howitzer projectiles, no record has surfaced to suggest that the production technology was ever officially transferred to China.

As is widely known, production of the above three types of weapons began in China many years ago, and they have been exported to several countries. The AK-47, RPG-7 and D-30 are called respectively the Type 56 assault gun, T69 and 69-1 anti-tank rockets and D30/D30-2/D30-3 howitzer projectiles. The latter have appeared in drills of PLA airborne troops.

Soviet forces started to deploy the RPG-7 in large batches in 1961. By this time, China-Soviet relations had already soured. In China, the Type 69 anti-tank rocket was put into batch production in 1969 when China-Soviet relations were at their worst.

The Soviet Union started to develop the D-30 around the end of the 1960s; the key producer of the projectiles was the well-known Ekaterinburg No. 9 Factory. In an interview in the city of Niznitagil, a technical expert from this factory said that it had no record of the official transfer of the D-30 to China.

As for China, the military enterprises involved refused to respond to questions on this issue, saying the matter was “confidential.”

How could China have obtained the RPG-7 when the China-Soviet relationship was at its worst? This question remains unanswered.

After 1968, Vietnam and North Korea were the only socialist countries close to China that had acquired a large number of RPG-7s from the Soviet Union. North Korea was unlikely to provide China with Soviet weapons, since during the years of the Cultural Revolution in China, China-North Korea relations deteriorated dramatically. North Korean leader Kim Il Sung believed that the Cultural Revolution was not socialism.

Also, North Korea had a long tradition of protecting its relations with both sides by refusing to share Soviet weapons with China or Chinese weapons with the Soviets, which would allow the two communist enemies to dissect and analyze each other’s weapon systems.

The situation was the same in Vietnam. Beginning in 1965, both the Soviet Union and China were supplying equipment to the Vietnamese military. Hanoi promised each country it would not reveal its military secrets to the other. However, historical records show that from 1967 China and the Soviet Union began to accuse each other of failing to give full support to Vietnam.

Around 1965, though Sino-Soviet relations were dramatically worsening, the two countries reached an agreement on working together to support the Vietnamese in fighting the United States. To ensure that Soviet weapons would be quickly and safely transported to the Vietnamese front, the equipment was to be transported to North Vietnam by rail from China.

Beginning in 1967, the Soviet Union began to accuse China of purposefully delaying the weapons deliveries and even of stealing Soviet weapons intended for Vietnam. China called the allegations fabricated. It is highly likely that China obtained the Soviet-made RPG-7 anti-tank rockets during this time, when the Soviet Union used the Chinese railroad to transport light-duty weapons to Vietnam.

As for the D-30, it first made its appearance in China in the early 1980s and China has introduced upgraded versions called the D30-2 and D30-3. There are several possible channels through which China could have obtained the D-30. Countries like Egypt, for example, were equipped with the Soviet-made D-30.

In 1973, when Egypt-Soviet relations took a deep dive, the Soviet Union withdrew all its military advisors from Egypt and stopped providing the country with parts for its weapon systems. China later provided different types of military aid to Egypt, and in turn acquired a large number of sample Soviet weapons that had been deployed by the Egyptian military, including the BMP-1 amphibious infantry fighting vehicle, SAM-7 surface-to-air missiles, and the MiG-23 fighter aircraft.

Chinese imitations of the SAM-7, called the HY-5 and HY-5A, have been exported to Pakistan and a number of other countries. China has even transferred the “intellectual property rights” of some of these systems to Pakistan. The Pakistani version of the HY-5A is called the Anza Mk-1. There are numerous similar cases in other countries also.

Since China’s imitations of these Russian weapons took place at a time when Sino-Soviet relations were highly abnormal, it may be impossible to hold anyone accountable for these unauthorized weapons transfers and imitations.

 

[Windjammer]

Reliable weapons? SMG-PK 9 mm is Pakistani name of H&K MP5 SMG which Pakistan produces under license. Don't compare a production line with a chopper build in India. Its a shame to your and my intelligence. Do you realize how much royalty goes back to H&K even if POF sells these weapons?

And they are licensed produced in dozens of other countries.
Talking of licence production, what about the SU-30s, Jaguars, Hawks and the likes of Dorniers. ? At least no such headaches with Mashaqs, K-8s and now the JF-17s. etc. etc.

 

[boxer_B]

And they are licensed produced in dozens of other countries.
Talking of licence production, what about the SU-30s, Jaguars, Hawks and the likes of Dorniers. ? At least no such headaches with Mashaqs, K-8s and now the JF-17s. etc. etc.

Dude, what am i saying is that comparing PK-9 with Dhruv is like comparing apple with orange. You questioned reliability of Indian equipment whilst taking credit for licensed POF small arms sale.

Yes if India would have sold Su-30 to Vietnam, your argument will be more apt although making small arm is easy as compared to fighter jet.

 

[pakpower]

India always cry so to me it's not a new news.