India prepared to face the Chinese threat : Air Force chief

[perplexed]

I dont know why Chinese people always want some link to back up some fact. Each and Everything in this world cannot be represented by statistics. And dumbos are replying by giving wiki links. LOL ! If he is so interested then he can google it himself. Each and every fact need not necessarily be followed up by some link to satisfy some troller.

 

[DARKY]

According to the 2010 data, the 2nd largest steel production by country is Japan. India ranked 5th. Why would you want Pakistan to compare to Japan when India cannot even compare to Japan.

List of countries by steel production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When you have screw up data, you make screw up statements. India should be proud of its developments in the last 20 years. But per capita wise, its still a very lowly and backward country. Until its per capita is close to that of Taiwan, which is still 1/3 that of the US, it should not boast too much. In another word, leave the boasting to your grand kids.

What can be expected of you rather than quoting Wikipedia.....

World Steel Association

Here is the a near correct analysis of world steel production where India produced almost as much as Russia..... even then where do I find Pakistan.... Oh wait does it produce steel ??.... does it produce coal ??.....

India Ranks 5th in steel production,
7th in Aluminium production,
5th in electricity production,
4th in GDP (purchasing power parity)
5th in GDP (Growth rate)
7th in Reserves of foreign exchange and gold
4th in Railways
3rd in Roadways
And Pakistan is not even in top 20 in these categories..... come and post when it even gets in top 20 in these categories.

 

[mohammed007]

Just checked East Turkestan movement? ... can anybody tell me if china is forcefully occupying and torturing muslims in east turkestan like indians do in kashmir...may God have mercy let the Umaah rise again....

 

[DrSomnath999]

Just checked East Turkestan movement? ... can anybody tell me if china is forcefully occupying and torturing muslims in east turkestan ,like indians do in kashmir

u better check this
East Turkestan. Net - Harun Yahya

Persecution of Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
East Turkistan and the Uyghurs

Tensions between Uyghur and Hui Muslims arise because Qing and Republican Chinese authorities used Hui troops and officials to dominate the Uyghurs and crush Uyghur revolts.
Many Uyghurs face religious persecution and discrimination at the hands of the government authorities. Uyghurs who choose to practice their faith can only use a state-approved version of the Koran; men who work in the state sector cannot wear beards and women cannot wear headscarves. The Chinese state controls the management of all mosques, which many Uyghurs claim stifles religious traditions that have formed a crucial part of the Uyghur identity for centuries. Children under the age of 18 are not allowed to attend religious services at mosques.

July 2009 Ürümqi riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2008 Uyghur unrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







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.may God have mercy let the Umaah rise again....

really may god have mercy on Turkestan's muslims

 

[IND151]

Why are you proud when India produce the world's cheapest cars?

In another matter, India should have more domestic industry as it has more people than its neighbors. But its industrial capability is closer to that of its neighbors and other dirt poor 3rd world country. Its not something to be proud of.

I'm still waiting for someone to post the per capita GDP of India as compare to its neighbors.

we produce TATA nano which is world's cheapest car.

we also produce new breed cars cars like TATA Aria, cool sedans like indigo manza, SUVs like Scorpio, Xylo, bikes like pulsar 220.

i hope this list is enough for you

[SIZE[/CENTER]=4]Rank Country/Region 2010[2] 2005[3] 2000[4]
— World 77,609,901 66,482,439 58,374,162
01 China 18,264,667 5,708,421 2,069,069
— European Union 16,904,436[5] 18,176,860[6] 17,142,142[7]
02 Japan 9,625,940 10,799,659 10,140,796
03 United States 7,761,443 11,946,653 12,799,857
04 Germany 5,905,985 5,757,710 5,526,615
05 South Korea 4,271,941 3,699,350 3,114,998
06 Brazil 3,648,358 2,530,840 1,681,517
07 India 3,536,783 1,638,674 801,360
08 Spain 2,387,900 2,752,500 3,032,874
09 Mexico 2,345,124 1,624,238 1,935,527
10 France 2,227,742 3,549,008 3,348,361
11 Canada 2,071,026 2,688,363 2,961,636
12 Thailand 1,644,513 1,122,712 411,721
13 Iran 1,599,454 817,200 277,985
14 Russia 1,403,244 1,351,199 1,205,581
15 United Kingdom 1,393,463 1,803,109 1,813,894
16 Turkey 1,094,557 879,452 430,947
17 Czech Republic 1,076,385 602,237 455,492
18 Poland 869,376 613,200 504,972
19 Italy 857,359 1,038,352 1,738,315
20 Argentina 716,540 319,755 339,632
21 Indonesia 704,715 500,710 292,710
22 Malaysia 567,715 563,408 282,830
23 Slovakia 556,941 218,349 181,783
24 South Africa 472,049 525,227 357,364
25 Romania 350,912 194,802 78,165
26 Belgium 338,290 928,965 1,033,294
27 Taiwan 303,456 446,345 372,613
28 Australia 243,495 394,713 347,122
29 Sweden 217,084 339,229 301,343
30 Slovenia 205,711 187,247 98,953
31 Hungary 167,890 152,015 137,398
32 Portugal 158,723 226,834 245,784
33 Uzbekistan 156,880 94,437 52,264
34 Pakistan 109,433 153,393 102,578
35 Austria 104,814 253,279 141,026
36 Venezuela 104,357 135,425 123,324
37 Netherlands 94,106 102,204 98,823
38 Ukraine 83,133 215,759 31,255
39 Egypt 69,060 123,425 78,852
40 Philippines 63,530 64,492 38,877
41 Morocco 50,000 33,992 31,314
42 Vietnam 32,920 31,600[8] 6,862[9]
43 Colombia 28,350 109,333 79,921
(in 2002)[10]
44 Belarus 16,650 26,995 19,324
45 Finland 6,500 21,644 38,926
46 Serbia 6,470 14,179 12,740
47 Ecuador 5,950 32,254 41,047
48 Chile 4,700 6,660[8] 5,245

[9][/SIZE]





source List of countries by motor vehicle production wiki

 

[faithfulguy]

List of countries by GDP sector composition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



again,prove it.

Compare the industrial output of Taiwan and india. It look like India produced more than 3 times that of Taiwan. It would be impressive if India has around 3 time of population compare to Taiwan. I think India's population is a little more than 3 times that of Taiwan, isn't it.

 

[perplexed]

Compare the industrial output of Taiwan and india. It look like India produced more than 3 times that of Taiwan. It would be impressive if India has around 3 time of population compare to Taiwan. I think India's population is a little more than 3 times that of Taiwan, isn't it.

Your ability to reason is worse than a school kid.

By your argument if our country is lets say 3 times the population than other country X, then we should produce each and every item known to mankind 3 times more than them ?

Every country has strengths and weaknesses. Its the combined output that matters with per capita output being a loose measure.

Are u the same pakistani guy on some other torrent site ? The level of crap that guy post there is identical to what u post here with the nick being same in both cases.

 

[faithfulguy]

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Your ability to reason is worse than a school kid.

By your argument if our country is lets say 3 times the population than other country X, then we should produce each and every item known to mankind 3 times more than them ?

Every country has strengths and weaknesses. Its the combined output that matters with per capita output being a loose measure.

Are u the same pakistani guy on some other torrent site ? The level of crap that guy post there is identical to what u post here with the nick being same in both cases.

Just point out that India has a low level of industrial production for a country its size. Do not get angry because of the facts I presented. Get angry at why India is so backward, not at me.

 

[fakein]

That's too simplistic, the west (especially the US) of course has an interest to get India as an opponent for China in military terms, but it's not like their claims comes out of nothing! China is constantly provoking a reaction from India, be it the military build up in Tibet, the fundings and defence support of Pakistan, the spy attempts in the Bay of Bengal, the ports in neighboring countries...one must be blind to ignore these steps and just think this couldn't turn out bad, even without the experience of 1962!

1. PLA has kept in Tibet a force smaller than what the IA has placed along the China-India border, either before or after the 1962 conflict. It's apparent who is building up military force.

2. China helps Pakistan to maintain the balance of power of the South Asia, which is essential to the stability of China's borders and therefore conducive to creating a peaceful environment for China's development. Such help, whilst beneficial to Pakistan of course, is in some sense healthy to India. This is not ironic. Any Indians with some sound reasoning ability would know that, a overwhelming power dominating the Kashmir would be disastrous, be it Pakistan or India. China's support to Pakistan has never gone beyond what Pakistan need to restore the balance and to defend itself.

3. Any great power, i.e. the US, Russia and China etc., would investigate the waters around the world. Call it spying or not is free to one's diction; protest it or not, a country's will.

4. By facilitating trade and constructing infrastructure, China is helping other countries, such as East Timor, Sri Lanka, Zambia etc., to restore their economy. Constructed with the assistance of China, these harbors are vital to their trade and transportation. But in no means are these harbors naval bases; even if they are, they are not China's oversea bases, which is, as far as I know, never China's pursuit.

To the contrary, India has enthusiastically pursuing an airbase in Tajikistan, which, ironically, receives little concern from Chinese while those harbors mentioned above, civilian as they are, become a lot of worries to many Indians.

5. The 1962 conflict, veiled and distorted, is one thing that I am reluctant to talk about with Indians, since, whenever it's brought up, what I can expect is no more than such crap as "China backstabbed blah blah". China and Indian, both revealing little documents about the conflict, have rather different depiction of the event. Unwilling and unable to dig deep into the causes and process of the conflict, many Indians easily submit themselves to domestic propaganda and western media, most of which then served only as anti-communist machine due to the ideological antithesis. Reasonably enough in human sense, as means to defend their country and their national pride, Indians have always been quick to blame all the faults on Nehru, but few of them are ready to admit that, after centuries of colonization, India, once independence was approved and the British had left, was immature and inexperienced in both diplomacy and international politics. The stiffness of diplomacy, the stubbornness to the illegal McMahon line left by the British colonizer, as well as India's aggressive east forward policy, together contributed much to the broke out of the eventual conflict.

Many Indians perceiving the 1962 debacle as national humiliation, yet what I would perceive more grave as a humiliation is India's lack of courage to disclose real causes and true details of the conflict, which, while detrimental to the government's image and authority, would be healthful and positive to most Indian's mentality, especially when they turn their eyes on China.

Depicting oneself as a victim as to cover one's incompetence and errors is easy and reasonable since it is human nature to shirk responsibility and blame; but it becomes ridiculous and reproachable when dealt at the national level.

May the below links help
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/65762-all-indian-members-here-question.html
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...ed-face-chinese-threat-air-force-chief-4.html
The China-India Border War

You are doing your steps to keep us busy all around our country, because you realised that we are getting to a level now, where we can be a threat and that's why increased build up of force alongside your western borders is necessary for your own defence. But it shouldn't be surprising that we take these steps seriously and react on them in a similar way isn't it?

NO. Not surprising ever. I truly understand the subconscious insecurity at play, which is reasonable as a human basic need.

Why I commented was that I perceived such mentality and strategies based on such were problematic and funny, and once out of control, would be detrimental to people around the border. What China can do is to watch and wait. One should know that China could be extraordinarily, dramatically and inconceivably patient before its patience is worn out, if one cares at least to read the links given above.

So the mistrust is not created by them, it is already there and mainly created by China, while the US just realised, that the cold war is over and it is not in their interest anymore to see India as a close ally of Russia anymore, but to get India as a possible ally to counter China!
As long as we remain independent from them, we can only benefit from a closer relation, be it in economic, political, or defence relations and that obviously bothers China, because the pace of our growth is boosted now with Russian and western arms and with Russian and western political support.

What I would say is that such mistrust is kind of unilateral. Most Chinese welcome Indians and Indian investment as 1962 conflict never happened, but Chinese companies and their investment have to undergo much more careful scrutiny, which still would not dissolve doubts and worries among Indians. Another aspect worth noting is that most of such western propaganda are aimed at Indians, not Chinese.

Actually, China should have done what the US does now, by understanding that the times changed and not supporting only Pakistan, or see us as an opponent and focus on closer relations to India! It would have been way better for China to get India as a friend/alley next to Russia (especially through the BRICS), to have a stronger base against the western/NATO countries.
We do even have common interests on several gloabal issues and would have been in a way better situation to compete, or negotiate with them, when these 3 major Asian powers would have joined. But you missed the chance and apart from some economic relations, the focus is still on increasing the border issues with us and using Pakistan as a 2nd frontline, which obviously doesn't help.

India has never been taken by China as an opponent but rather a potential competitor.

It is wise of India, as well as Brazil, to support what China has proposed in the issue of carbon-dioxide emission to defend room for future development of developing countries. This is a sign of improvement and maturity of India's diplomacy and international politics. So most of what you said about cooperation is correct.

 

[fakein]

u better check this
East Turkestan. Net - Harun Yahya

Persecution of Muslims - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
East Turkistan and the Uyghurs

Tensions between Uyghur and Hui Muslims arise because Qing and Republican Chinese authorities used Hui troops and officials to dominate the Uyghurs and crush Uyghur revolts.
Many Uyghurs face religious persecution and discrimination at the hands of the government authorities. Uyghurs who choose to practice their faith can only use a state-approved version of the Koran; men who work in the state sector cannot wear beards and women cannot wear headscarves. The Chinese state controls the management of all mosques, which many Uyghurs claim stifles religious traditions that have formed a crucial part of the Uyghur identity for centuries. Children under the age of 18 are not allowed to attend religious services at mosques.

July 2009 Ürümqi riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2008 Uyghur unrest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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really may god have mercy on Turkestan's muslims

Quoting separatist activity in other country to suppress one's insecurity feeling sounds a bit naive and childish like kettle laughing pot black. Blabbering your mouth with undue credence to wiki pages, without checking source of reference or even some understanding of Chinese history, you still grow not beyond the simplistic and problematic logic: links are truth.

Don't attempt to simplify complicated issues with your simplistic mind; it would be exhausting and harmful.

 

[sancho]

1. PLA has kept in Tibet a force smaller than what the IA has placed along the China-India border, either before or after the 1962 conflict. It's apparent who is building up military force.

Which is logical, because the main opponent of China were on your eastern borders and Indian forces wasn't strong enough to pose a threat. But that changed and since your forces realised India is getting stronger, there were a clear build up of forces, be it troops, missiles, air bases...and only this build up forced us to do the same.

2. China helps Pakistan to maintain the balance of power of the South Asia, which is essential to the stability of China's borders and therefore conducive to creating a peaceful environment for China's development.

Without the security of having nuclear weapons and the policy of first strikes, Pakistan would not have attacked India that often, because a conventional war against India can't be won. So instead of balacing the the power with the aim of so called a peaceful environment, Chinese assistance to Pakistans nuclear programm only caused wars and tensions in this area! Wrt Indo - China relations, attacking India can't be called creating a peaceful environment as well isn't it?

In that time we were even much more open to China in terms of politics than we are now and India didn't posed a threat to China either. If you had the aim of a balanced Asia, where China can grow in a peaceful manner, you should have tried it politically and not with military force, but that was not the aim then, nor is the aim now, because as I said earlier, China had the chance to bound India and Russia for a strong Asia and didn't went for it and that would have created much more growth of China than it did now.

3. Any great power, i.e. the US, Russia and China etc., would investigate the waters around the world. Call it spying or not is free to one's diction; protest it or not, a country's will.

Of course, but that this happens while we do a missile test, or around our naval bases on our island is just a coincidence right?

We can do more than just protest and that is the problem, because it leads both countries only into a more troubled relation, than into increased partnership. Just look at the Indian moves now, we place naval vessles at Vietnamese ports, or conduct joint naval exercises with the US and Japan far away from our mainland and in close relation to yours. Do you really think we would have done that, if we had a better realation to you and if you don't have started such things that clearly poses a threat to our security?
You call it the west playing us (India and China), but what you ignore is the fact, that you helping them, by doing such things that poses a threat to Indias security. You can't have both, building up forces and complain about us moving towards the west!

To the contrary, India has enthusiastically pursuing an airbase in Tajikistan, which, ironically, receives little concern from Chinese.

Because it is even more in the west than our own air bases, so poses no threat at all, but what would happen if India builds up an air base in Vietnam, do you really think China would not protest, or see it as a provocation? Of course it would and that's the difference between Chinese moves and Indian (so far), because India did not interfered in any issues of China (Taiwan for example) and did not provoked China in any form by such moves into Chinese area of interests! That altough we have good economic relations to many neighbours of China too, so why can't China do the same? Have economic relations to Indias neighbours, without provoking India?

India has never been taken by China as an opponent but rather a potential competitor.

Because we was not strong enough, but now we are getting stonger and then the potential competitor turns into a potential threat, which gives you 2 options:

1) Bound them to you as a partner, ally, friend however you want to call it
2) See them as your enemy

China should have taken option 1 but hasn't, the US is switching from 2 to 1 and that's the difference!