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hindu extremists in india joined force with Myanmar buddhist extremist against Bangladesh (this thread and sample of indian comments, media and political spectrum bares it all). That puts Bangladesh in precarious position in dealing with two extremism. There is no easy answer for Bangladesh - neither secular not extreme position suits Bangladesh. Bangladesh needs nationalist stand that neither awami league nor BNP nor any other party on fringe can carry forward. Defense forces or good part of its leadership are turned into mercenary.

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Buddhist extremism, despite a clampdown, spreads in Myanmar



Ethno-nationalist monks have resisted a state bid to restrict their views and activities targeting Muslim and other religious minorities


By Justine Chambers Hpa-an, August 13, 2017 3:14 PM


In May, Myanmar’s Sangha Maha Nayaka Committee, a state appointed organization representing over 500,000 Buddhist monks known as Ma Ha Na, issued a controversial order against the Ma Ba Tha nationalist group to remove its signboards across the country.

The committee’s order came in response to Ma Ba Tha’s association with anti-Muslim activities and amid calls from Aung San Suu Kyi’s elected government that the Buddhist nationalist group was provoking instability. Ma Ha Na also accused Ma Ba Tha of acting against basic Sangha principles, rules and regulations.

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While most Ma Ba Tha chapters have agreed to adhere to the directive, in the central city of Mandalay and Karen state capital of Hpa-an the deadline passed on July 15 with local affiliate groups refusing to comply.


At the central Thayettaw monastery in Hpa-an, an old discolored Ma Ba Tha signboard was replaced with a shiny bright new version, a testament to the town’s resistance to the order. Hundreds of Karen people gathered at the monastery to protest the decision in support of Ma Ba Tha and, as one young woman at the rally said, in the defense of Buddhism.

Ever since Ma Ha Na’s order in May for Ma Ba Tha to disband, images of its firebrand monk leader, U Wirathu, referred to by some international media as the ‘face of Buddhist terror’ for his provocative anti-Islam pronouncements, have circulated widely over social media in Karen state.

Facebook images have included selfies taken by young Karen women dressed in bright colourful traditional garb holding red placards reading ‘We love U Wirathu.’ More disturbing, pro-Ma Ba Tha images also show the controversial monk seated on a golden throne flanked by seven heavily armed Karen Border Guard Forces (BGF) soldiers surrounded by Buddhist flags.

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Myanmar’s firebrand Buddhist monk Wirathu sits in a supporter’s home in Yangon, Myanmar October 4, 2015. Photo Reuters/Soe Zeya Tun
Ma Ba Tha, also known as the Organization for the Protection of Race and Religion, has become virtually synonymous with U Wirathu’s activities and pronouncements. While the group is primarily associated with his anti-Muslim views, the role Ma Ba Tha plays in lay people’s lives through religious and community activities is often overlooked.

While some have speculated that Ma Ba Tha is on the decline with the Ma Ha Na’s disbandment order and rising pressure from Suu Kyi’s elected government, it is evident that the group remains active through the strength of local Sangha religious authorities.

Buddhist monks in Myanmar play an important and influential role in communities. Beyond serving as one of the primary means through which people can accrue merit as part of a broader cosmological Buddhist order, monasteries are one of the first places people turn to in times of both celebration and hardship.

In Hpa-an, special occasions in Buddhist households are often marked through donations to a local monastery or by inviting a group of monks to one’s home for a meal. Many monasteries aligned with Ma Ba Tha also sponsor religiously motivated social welfare programs including schools, homes for the elderly, maternal health clinics, blood collection banks and other public services framed in Buddhist ethics.

Monks also play a role in the arbitration of justice and community disputes, and often host victims of floods or conflict in their monasteries. Indeed, the generosity through which Karen Buddhists give to the Sangha is often recirculated back to its people, providing important sustenance for local community and social life.

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Karen National Union (KNU) soldiers stand guard with their assault weapons at Oo Kray Kee village in Karen State near Thai-Myanmar border on January 30, 2012. Photo: AFP/Pornchai Kittiwongsakul
In Karen state, Buddhist monks have also played a prominent role in the long-running conflict between the Karen National Union (KNU) rebel groups and Myanmar’s military, known as the Tatmadaw.

Karen state’s civilian population has faced decades of instability and egregious human rights violations. Armed conflict in the area has caused mass internal displacement and heavy flows of refugees to neighboring Thailand and beyond.

In the 1990s, Hpa-an district became a major center of Buddhist pilgrimage to Mount Thamanya, where one of the most renowned Buddhist monks in the country, the late U Winaya, resided until his death in 2003.

While widely revered, the monk enjoyed an especially exalted position in Karen state by providing refuge for local civilians against forced portering, illegitimate taxation and other abuses perpetuated by both the Tatmadaw and ethnic Karen armed groups.

Northwest of Hpa-an lies Myaing Gyi Ngu, the center of charismatic monk U Thuzana, a disciple of U Winaya who presides over a similar zone of ‘non-violence.’

Those who live there must make an oath to U Thuzana, committing themselves to vegetarianism as well as five rules: no violence, no politics, no preaching of other religions, no gossip and commitment to the five Buddhist precepts.

At the same time, U Thuzana has also been closely associated with a virulent strain of Buddhist ethno-nationalism, similar to U Wirathu’s message of intolerance.

Yet U Thuzana’s charismatic leadership has appealed to many disgruntled Buddhist Karen soldiers who split from the KNU in December 1994 to form the Democratic Buddhist Karen Army (DKBA) under his patronage.

Under the KNU’s primarily Christian leadership, Buddhist soldiers formed deep grievances against their superiors, tensions that came to a head under the influence of U Thuzana, who once prophesized that he would bring peace to Karen state.

The DKBA signed a peace agreement with the central government, a deal that led to the pivotal assault on the KNU’s headquarters in Mannerplaw in January 1995, an attack that irreversibly undermined its armed resistance.

For Buddhist communities in Hpa-an district, U Thuzana and the DKBA were viewed as bringing peace and stability to the region. As a result, thousands of Buddhists migrated to the Myaing Gyi Ngu area during the 1990s and 2000s to live under his believed sacred protection.

In subsequent years, the DKBA became closely associated with the Myanmar military’s human rights abuses through its raids on Karen refugee camps in Thailand and burning and looting of other Karen communities near the border. KNU-DKBA tensions saw the targeting of Christian villages, resulting in new waves of refugees as DKBA rebels burned churches and forced Christians to convert to Buddhism.

U Thuzana’s mission to restore a distinctly Karen ‘Buddhist land’ also entailed abuses against Muslims. With an army of Buddhist soldiers at his behest, U Thuzana is known among local Muslims to have advocated the burning down of mosques, Muslims’ homes and other acts of communal incitement in a bid to rid the Myaing Gyi Ngu area of all Muslims.

“This time was very bad,” one local Hpa-an Muslim from the Myaing Gyi Ngu area told this writer. “U Thuzana and his soldiers did a lot of bad things to our people. We are always afraid of him and what he will do next.”

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Buddhist monks protest against United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon for using the term Rohingya during the Asean summit in Yangon November 29, 2014. Photo: Reuters/Soe Zeya Tun
After the DKBA was absorbed into the Myanmar military’s Border Guard Forces (BGF) in 2010, it was initially thought that U Thuzana’s influence would wane. The fact that he has also been unwell for many years, living mostly at a specialized medical facility in Bangkok, Thailand, in recent years, contributed to his fall from view.

U Thuzana is now visibly back on the move. Over the last two years he has made his mark in the local news by overseeing the building of Buddhist pagodas in Christian church compounds and alongside existing mosques, in moves condemned by both the previous Thein Sein and incumbent Suu Kyi governments as well as community groups across the country.

More recently he has aligned himself with U Wirathu and other contentious Ma Ba Tha monks known for mobilizing anti-Muslim sentiments in the Karen community. These new alignments were clearly seen in March 2016 when U Thuzana gave a sermon in a small trading town outside Hpa-an.

After preaching about the importance of Buddhist charity, giving generously and keeping the five Buddhist moral precepts, he cautioned against the spread of Islam and the supposed decline of Buddhism in the region. He praised the town’s support for Ma Ba Tha and enforcement of its rules against allowing Muslim-owned land or businesses.

Anti-Muslim sentiment and violence has long been evident in Karen state’s conflict-ridden landscape, predating the country’s political transition from direct military rule that began after military-rigged elections in 2010. Indeed, the Ma Ba Tha signboard incident in Hpa-an is less a resurgence of Islamophobia than a resurfacing of long-running tensions and long-held views.

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Buddhist nationalist monks from the Ma Ba Tha group attend a meeting to celebrate their anniversary with a nationwide conference in Yangon, Myanmar May 27, 2017. Photo: Reuters/Soe Zeya Tun
The alignment of U Wirathu and U Thuzana through anti-Muslim Buddhist activism threatens to heighten religious tensions across the country, including between Buddhist and Christian communities. The potential for U Thuzana and his armed men to capitalize on renewed conflict between Muslim and Buddhist communities in the service of their own politico-religious projects should not be underestimated.

While some might believe that Ma Ba Tha is on the decline, the emerging alliance of Buddhist extremists and armed actors in Karen State points in the opposite direction. The respect that U Thuzana commands in many Buddhist areas of Karen state, and indeed across the entire country, underscores this complex phenomenon.

The rising confluence of armed groups and nationally prominent Buddhist monk extremists introduces a disturbing new dynamic to Myanmar’s religious-political conflicts that, despite official efforts to curb the Ma Ba Tha and its message of hate, seem likely to get worse before they get better.

http://www.atimes.com/article/buddhist-extremism-despite-clampdown-spreads-myanmar/
 
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The only reason the Burmese would feel threatened by the Rohingyas is if the latter refused to assimilate.
Surely some outsiders can be accommodated if they are not causing trouble.
 
These are the kamans who gone there in 1430s what you are referring to. Rohingyas were local and there all along in the northern Rakhine the same way Rakhines were in the Chittagong region.
Yes, I know there is a small group who call themselves Kaman in Arakan. But, they are also the remnants of another group who migrated from Bengal, same as Rohingyas before them. Read the edited account below:

"In 1660, a Mughal prince, Shah Shuja, escaped to Arakan. His escape was followed by a wave of Muslim immigrants from the Mughal Empire to Arakan. (Read Bengal, but most of his retinue were from northern India). The king of Arakan first warmly received the prince, but relations soon deteriorated. The prince, along with 200 followers and local Muslims, decided to overthrow the king of Arakan, who had reneged on his earlier promises.

In February 1661, Shah Shuja and some members of his entourage were killed by Arakanese soldiers. Shah Shuja's surviving soldiers were inducted into the Arakanese special palace guard, in a special archer's unit called Kaman (کمان, Persian "bow").

The descendants of these Kaman units still live in Ramree and in villages near Akyab. There were 2,686 Kamans in Arakan in 1931".

Note: there is a reference of "Local Muslims". They are supposed to be the descendants of those Muslims from Bengal who migrated in 1430.
 
Yes, I know there is a small group who call themselves Kaman in Arakan. But, they are also the remnants of another group who migrated from Bengal, same as Rohingyas before them. Read the edited account below:

"In 1660, a Mughal prince, Shah Shuja, escaped to Arakan. His escape was followed by a wave of Muslim immigrants from the Mughal Empire to Arakan. (Read Bengal, but most of his retinue were from northern India). The king of Arakan first warmly received the prince, but relations soon deteriorated. The prince, along with 200 followers and local Muslims, decided to overthrow the king of Arakan, who had reneged on his earlier promises.

In February 1661, Shah Shuja and some members of his entourage were killed by Arakanese soldiers. Shah Shuja's surviving soldiers were inducted into the Arakanese special palace guard, in a special archer's unit called Kaman (کمان, Persian "bow").

The descendants of these Kaman units still live in Ramree and in villages near Akyab. There were 2,686 Kamans in Arakan in 1931".

Note: there is a reference of "Local Muslims". They are supposed to be the descendants of those Muslims from Bengal who migrated in 1430.


Timeline: A Short History of Myanmar’s Rohingya Minority



8th Century: The Rohingya, a people of South Asian origin, dwelled in an independent kingdom in Arakan, now known as Rakhine state in modern-day Myanmar.

9th to 14th Century: The Rohingya came into contact with Islam through Arab traders. Close ties were forged between Arakan and Bengal.

1784: The Burman King Bodawpaya conquered Arakan and hundreds of thousands of refugees fled to Bengal.

1790: Hiram Cox, a British diplomat sent to assist refugees, established the town of Cox’s Bazar in Bangladesh, where many Rohingya still live today.

1824 to 1942: Britain captured Burma—now known as Myanmar—and made it a province of British India. Workers were migrated to Burma from other parts of British India for infrastructure projects.

1942: Japan invaded Burma, pushing out the British. As the British retreated, Burmese nationalists attacked Muslim communities who they thought had benefited from British colonial rule.

1945: Britain liberated Burma from Japanese occupation with help of Burmese nationalists led by Aung San and Rohingya fighters. Rohingyas felt betrayed as the British didn’t fulfill a promise of autonomy for Arakan.

1948: Tensions increased between the government of newly independent Burma and the Rohingya, many of whom wanted Arakan to join Muslim-majority Pakistan. The government retaliated by ostracizing the Rohingya, including removing Rohingya civil servants.

1950: Some Rohingya resisted the government, led by armed groups called Mujahids. The insurgency gradually died down.

1962: General Ne Win and his Burma Socialist Programme Party seized power and took a hard line against the Rohingya.

1977: The junta began Operation Nagamin, or Dragon King, which they said was aimed at screening the population for foreigners. More than 200,000 Rohingya fled to Bangladesh, amid allegations of army abuses. The army denied any wrongdoing.


1978: Bangladesh struck a U.N.-brokered deal with Burma for the repatriation of refugees, under which most Rohingya returned.

1982: A new immigration law redefined people who migrated during British rule as illegal immigrants. The government applied this to all Rohingya.

1989: The army changed the name of Burma to Myanmar.

1991: More than 250,000 Rohingya refugees fled what they said was forced labor, rape and religious persecution at the hands of the Myanmar army. The army said it was trying to bring order to Rakhine.

1992 to 1997: Around 230,000 Rohingya returned to Arakan, now known as Rakhine, under another repatriation agreement.

2012: Rioting between Rohingya and Rakhine Buddhists killed more than 100 people, mostly Rohingya. Tens of thousands of people were driven into Bangladesh. Nearly 150,000 were forced into camps in Rakhine.

2016: Rohingya militant group Harakah al-Yaqin attacked border guard posts, killing nine soldiers. The army retaliated. More than 25,000 people fled Rakhine to Bangladesh, bringing accounts of killing, rape and arson. Aung San Suu Kyi’s government denied the atrocities.

https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime...-short-history-of-myanmars-rohingya-minority/


You are trying to mix up with the Afhgan and Mogul soldiers with the local group of people. Rohingyas had nothing to do with them.

Most of the people try to start the history of Rohingya as with the history of Islam which is quite new and was absent before 14th century. But Rohingyas were always there though they were practicing other religion like any other part of Bengal.
 
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8th Century: The Rohingya, a people of South Asian origin, dwelled in an independent kingdom in Arakan, now known as Rakhine state in modern-day Myanmar.

9th to 14th Century: The Rohingya came into contact with Islam through Arab traders. Close ties were forged between Arakan and Bengal.

Where is the reference books for this historical account of Rohingya in the 8th century? However, I would not deny the existence of a few Muslims in the 8th century although they must have been very negligible. The term Rohingya itself has been adopted only recently in the mid 20th century by the Muslim Indic group of Rakhine.

How come Rohingyas lived in 8th century when the name itself was not there at that time? A newspaper report is written by a correspondent and not by a historian. I do not have to accept this 8th century account by a non-historian because I have other reliable sources.

9th to 14th Century account is a one liner without even a reference to the migration of Muslims from Gaud in 1430 CE in the next century. He just avoided this part. This proves that the writer did not study a single page of then history, but wrote it for the pleasure of his editor and readers.

I ask the correspondent to study and do research on the migration from Bengal in 1430 CE. His knowledge is just shallow and superficial. Ask him to read at least the following books. Some of these books have reference to the 1430 migration:

1) Gaud Kahini: Shailendranath Datta
2) Bangalar Itihash: Rakhaldas Bannarjy
3) Sier-e-Mutakkherin:
4) Riyaz-us-Salatin: Ghulam Hussain Salim
5) History of Bengal: Bukanan
6) History of Bengal: Charles Stewart
 
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UN chief Guterres concerned about India’s plans to deport Rohingyas refugees
SAM Staff, August 15, 2017
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Antonio Guterres, who was the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, is deeply attached to the cause of refugees. (AP)
The UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres is concerned about India’s plans to deport Rohingya refugees from Myanmar, according to his spokesperson Farhan Haq. Responding to a question on Monday about reports that India was going to send back Rohingyas, Haq said, “Obviously we have our concern about the treatment of refugees. Once refugees are registered they are not to be returned back to the countries where they fear persecution.” Guterres, who was the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), is deeply attached to the cause of refugees.

Haq said the office of the UNHCR will take up the issue with the Indian government. He reminded India of a UN dictum against deporting refugees. “You are aware of our principle of non refoulement,” he said referring to the doctrine in the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees.

That principle lays down that a refugee cannot be returned to a place where the person’s life or freedom would be “threatened on account of his race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.” India has not signed the UN refugees convention.

Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju told the Lok Sabha last week, “According to UNHCR there are 13,000 Rohingya migrants registered. But we have also got figures from IB (Intelligence Bureau), which shows they have migrated to India in large numbers.”

“Steps are being taken to ensure that we do not get uncontrolled influx of migrants in the country, which creates lots of problem related to social, political, cultural. “And at the same time we want to ensure that the demographic pattern of India is not disturbed,” Rijiju added. He said that a “concentration camp of Rohingyas has come up” in Jammu and Kashmir and later clarified that it was only a detention camp and not a “concentration camp” like those in Nazi Germany.

Subsequently, a Home Ministry official was quoted in media reports as saying that India was in touch with Myanmar and Bangladesh to deport 40,000 Rohingyas illegally in India. UNHCR office in India has reportedly issued refugee IDs to about 16,500 Rohingyas in India.
http://southasianmonitor.com/2017/0...erned-indias-plans-deport-rohingyas-refugees/
 
what Mayanmar doing is ethnic cleansing. indians advocating for ethnic cleansing and opening door for disintegration of india. You up for it?? Think before you open your yup.

What Myanmar is doing is not right - but they will reap the benefits down the road.

I can assure you 50 years from now - thanks to ethnic cleansing Myanmar will be peaceful. Assam and West bengal will be hit by communal strife thanks to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
 
Where is the reference books for this historical account of Rohingya in the 8th century? However, I would not deny the existence of a few Muslims in the 8th century although they must have been very negligible. The term Rohingya itself has been adopted only recently in the mid 20th century by the Muslim Indic group of Rakhine.

How come Rohingyas lived in 8th century when the name itself was not there at that time? A newspaper report is written by a correspondent and not by a historian. I do not have to accept this 8th century account by a non-historian because I have other reliable sources.

9th to 14th Century account is a one liner without even a reference to the migration of Muslims from Gaud in 1430 CE in the next century. He just avoided this part. This proves that the writer did not study a single page of then history, but wrote it for the pleasure of his editor and readers.

I ask the correspondent to study and do research on the migration from Bengal in 1430 CE. His knowledge is just shallow and superficial. Ask him to read at least the following books. Some of these books have reference to the 1430 migration:

1) Gaud Kahini: Shailendranath Datta
2) Bangalar Itihash: Rakhaldas Bannarjy
3) Sier-e-Mutakkherin:
4) Riyaz-us-Salatin: Ghulam Hussain Salim
5) History of Bengal: Bukanan
6) History of Bengal: Charles Stewart


You are again saying existence of Muslim in 8th century. I said Rohingyas were not Muslim that time like entire south Asia. Rohingya history did not start with Islam. I think you have some comprehension issue.

What Myanmar is doing is not right - but they will reap the benefits down the road.

I can assure you 50 years from now - thanks to ethnic cleansing Myanmar will be peaceful. Assam and West bengal will be hit by communal strife thanks to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants.
They started the process since 18th century yet could not finish it. Islam is too hard to wipe out. Ibelive in next 50 years Rohingyas will get their own autonomous region inside mm or outside depends how a$$hole Burmese could be.
Regarding NE ... asssam should join BD and AP to China Monipur and Naga to MM to have a prosperous life. They have no future under Indian occupation
 
12:00 AM, August 12, 2017 / LAST MODIFIED: 03:57 AM, August 12, 2017
India plans to deport 40,000 Rohingyas
Wants talks with Myanmar, Bangladesh, report says

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Photo: Reuters
Diplomatic Correspondent

India is planning to deport around 40,000 Rohingya Muslims who it says are living in the country illegally.

The Indian government says only around 14,000 of the Rohingya Muslims living in the country are registered with the United Nations refugee agency and that the rest are considered illegal and liable to be sent back.

Reacting to the announcement, the Indian office of United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees said it was "trying to find the facts" about New Delhi's plans to deport them.

India is not a signatory to UN conventions on refugees and no national law covers it.

Tens of thousands of Rohingyas have fled persecution in Buddhist-majority Myanmar to Bangladesh since the early 1990s, with some of them then crossing over a porous border into India.

"These things are being discussed at diplomatic level with both Bangladesh and Myanmar," Interior Ministry spokesman KS Dhatwalia said, according to a Reuters report from New Delhi.

"More clarity will emerge at an appropriate time," added the official.

However, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Dhaka is totally unaware about any such talks with Bangladesh.

In fact, India didn't want to get involved in the Rohingya issue when Bangladesh requested, a highly placed source at the foreign ministry told The Daily Star yesterday.

“I have no idea whether Indians have changed their position and are engaging with Bangladesh on Rohingya issue,” said another high official at the foreign ministry.

Contacted, a senior official, who is the focal point on the Rohingya issue at the foreign ministry, expressed his total ignorance about whether India was in talks with Bangladesh on this or planning to deport thousands of the Myanmarese Muslims.

“I give you my 100 percent assurance that this has not come up to my level. I have no idea at which level the India held talks with Bangladesh,” the official said.

Reuters reported yesterday that Junior Interior Minister Kiren Rijiju told parliament on Wednesday the federal government had directed state governments to "constitute taskforces at district levels to identify and deport the illegally staying foreign nationals".

Rijiju was in Myanmar recently to attend an event, although it was not clear if he discussed the Rohingya issue.

Officials in Myanmar could not be contacted immediately for comment.

Rohingya refugees have been a big headache for Bangladesh as the country has been hosting 3,00,000 to 5,00,000 of them for over three decades. After the latest crackdown began on October 9, 2016, some 75,000 new members of the Myanmarese Muslims entered Bangladesh.

Bangladesh is not a signatory to the 1951 Refugee Convention or the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees.

Myanmar's government already denies full citizenship to the 1.1 million-strong Rohingya population that lives in Rakhine state, branding them illegal immigrants from Bangladesh. This is while the Rohingya track their ancestors many generations back in Myanmar.

UN human rights and refugee agencies, Kofi Annan-led Rakhine Commission, UN Special Rapporteur Yanghee Lee and many other human rights groups have repeatedly been urging Myanmar to take back Rohingyas. But all such international calls fell on deaf ears.

Considered by the UN as the “most persecuted minority group in the world,” the Rohingyas have been under a military siege in Myanmar's western state of Rakhine since October 2016. The government used a militant attack on border guards back then as the pretext to enforce the siege.

There have been numerous eyewitness accounts of summary executions, rapes, and arson attacks by security forces against the Muslims since the crackdown began.

Amnesty International has said deporting and abandoning the Rohingyas would be "unconscionable".

http://www.thedailystar.net/frontpage/india-plans-deport-40000-rohingyas-1447324

This is petty Indian retaliation for Myanmar's deals with China.
 
Myanmar is against its demographics being displaced, these people would have a better life if they are infused in a anther Islamic country, free from persecution. Indonesia, Malaysia or Brunei

India is deporting the Rohingya from its land. So are you saying that India is not protecting Muslims from persecution within its borders?
 

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