India - ‘Pakistan Zindabad’ slogan at India Gate lands woman in Jail.

[Tshering22]

At about 8 am, she was spotted by the security guards throwing a slipper at the soldiers' memorial. When the guards alerted the police, she raised ‘Pakistan Zindabad’ slogan in presence of security personnel.

Could be that she is mentally unstable.

If that is the case, she needs a hospital.

If she is clinically declared fit, then she goes under investigation.

Desecrating the Amar Jawan Jyoti is criminal and if she's mentally declared fit, she deserves to rot in jail.

 

[American Pakistani]

Living in sham democracies like Pak I don't blame the minister for not understanding what democracy is and the difference between freedom of expression and hatespeech/bigotry.

I'm not comparing India with Pakistan coz there is no such comparison. I'm just saying what's norm in every country.

Rich coming from a citizen of a country named bharat.

 

[Sully3]

lol...............world knows which country is laughing stock with begging bowl .........

world knows india as rapistan. rapistani .......

 

[GHALIB]

Islam gave the world democracy.

practice it and make pakistan true democratic country so that others could follow on.

world knows india as rapistan. rapistani .......

world knows where bachabazi is rampant , see on youtube "pakistan's hidden shame " .

 

[Joe Shearer]

They sure adopted some most excellent music and made it their own....I will give them that.

Stand to attention comrade @SecularNationalist

No, no, we secular nationalists are not Communists. Social democrats, maybe, not even Socialists.

 

[Clutch]

practice it and make pakistan true democratic country so that others could follow on.

Pakistan is.... Others will follow. The rise of Pakistan has begun.

 

[GHALIB]

Pakistan is.... Others will follow. The rise of Pakistan has begun.

good try ,
let us hope in next fifty years pakistan becomes free from shadow of deep state .then it will become democracy.

 

[Nilgiri]

No, no, we secular nationalists are not Communists. Social democrats, maybe, not even Socialists.

Oh I have read what @SecularNationalist was in his earlier younger years etc... I will let him speak for himself on it ...he has a somewhat fond memory of the USSR too I believe.

The somewhat cursory names on forums mean only so much...there is deeper stuff in many of us...both formerly and currently.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Oh I have read what @SecularNationalist was in his earlier younger years etc... I will let him speak for himself on it ...he has a somewhat fond memory of the USSR too I believe.

The somewhat cursory names on forums mean only so much...there is deeper stuff in many of us...both formerly and currently.

In which case, I must plead my case alone.

 

[Nilgiri]

In which case, I must plead my case alone.

Yes I was referring only to him by the sentiment. I know very well your general position on these matters my friend.

 

[SecularNationalist]

No, no, we secular nationalists are not Communists. Social democrats, maybe, not even Socialists.

Oh I have read what @SecularNationalist was in his earlier younger years etc... I will let him speak for himself on it ...he has a somewhat fond memory of the USSR too I believe.

The somewhat cursory names on forums mean only so much...there is deeper stuff in many of us...both formerly and currently.

As joe shearer said it,s somehow contradictory for secularnationlists to become communists because communists are some how related to atheism.We accept and respect all kinds of religions but communists try to discourage the religion and even persecute them like in china and former soviet union.
Yes i was a commie in my teenage years but just like anyone else i evolved as i grew mature and understood whats right and whats wrong in the current day context.The modern world has seen two super powers USSR and USA and the former did not abuse their position of power like the latter did and overall they left a little negative impact on the world as compared to USA. Secondly red army defeated the evil nazi empire and did a great favour for all of us.Those are the reasons why i am fond of USSR.Finally i lived among the russians in russia and i see them differently unlike many people who are brainwashed by stereotypes like mafia,evil commies,prostitutes and gangsters etc.
But eventually the reality is communism was a past capitalism is the future.

 

[GHALIB]

As joe shearer said it,s somehow contradictory for secularnationlists to become communists because communists are some how related to atheism.We accept and respect all kinds of religions but communists try to discourage the religion and even persecute them like in china and former soviet union.
Yes i was a commie in my teenage years but just like anyone else i evolved as i grew mature and understood whats right and whats wrong in the current day context.The modern world has seen two super powers USSR and USA and the former did not abuse their position of power like the latter did and overall they left a little negative impact on the world as compared to USA. Secondly red army defeated the evil nazi empire and did a great favour for all of us.Those are the reasons why i am fond of USSR.Finally i lived among the russians in russia and i see them differently unlike many people who are brainwashed by stereotypes like mafia,evil commies,prostitutes and gangsters etc.
But eventually the reality is communism was a past capitalism is the future.

true .

 

[Nilgiri]

As joe shearer said it,s somehow contradictory for secularnationlists to become communists because communists are some how related to atheism.We accept and respect all kinds of religions but communists try to discourage the religion and even persecute them like in china and former soviet union.
Yes i was a commie in my teenage years but just like anyone else i evolved as i grew mature and understood whats right and whats wrong in the current day context.The modern world has seen two super powers USSR and USA and the former did not abuse their position of power like the latter did and overall they left a little negative impact on the world as compared to USA. Secondly red army defeated the evil nazi empire and did a great favour for all of us.Those are the reasons why i am fond of USSR.Finally i lived among the russians in russia and i see them differently unlike many people who are brainwashed by stereotypes like mafia,evil commies,prostitutes and gangsters etc.
But eventually the reality is communism was a past capitalism is the future.

Yeah I just vaguely remember a convo you had explaining all this before to someone else and it struck me then...because yours is not all that common view among Pakistanis I have interacted with mostly.

Trust me, I too have much admiration for some of the higher loftier goals that communism set out to do....but as you have doubtless seen yourself, there are real issues that get in the way that communism just treats too simply (by sweeping authoritarianism on it...like you mention with over-suppression of religion/elder culture)....mostly because it assumes complete human uniformity is to be desired (past mere equal opportunity which I am in favour of as gold standard).

I dabbled with socialist thought (only later would I realise thats what it fit more into for certain concepts and ideals I held esp for new independent countries etc) too when I was much younger too....even though my dad is avowed anti-socialist...he always said, son, you also have to listen to their side as they present it and think things through and gather the evidence and debate etc....I much admire his open frankness and attitude for political debate.

Thanks for your post. You are right about the past and future....though I do truly love a lot of the great stuff USSR brought to us in the musical realm. Such passion and such memorable tunes.

May I ask, when you say you lived in Russia, do you mean during the post-soviet era in the 90s etc? That must have been quite an interesting experience, I suppose you are fluent in Russian?

 

[Joe Shearer]

true .

Where is @jamahir, absconding when he should be present at the bar of history?

 

[Nilgiri]

Where is @jamahir, absconding when he should be present at the bar of history?

He will simply come and say Libya did it best, Gaddafi is perfection.

I love him like a brother from another mother....but he is just too uni-dimensional on the communism talk