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India-Pakistan Head for Nuke War


Bruce Riedel


A crisis is brewing between nuclear armed India and Pakistan that could be their most dangerous ever.
India and Pakistan have fought four wars since 1947 and had several crises that went to the brink of war. Both tested nuclear weapons in 1998. Now tensions are escalating between the two again.

It began in May, when a heavily armed squad of Pakistani terrorists from Lashkar e Tayyiba (Army of the Pure) attacked India’s consulate in Herat, in western Afghanistan. They planned to massacre Indian diplomats on the eve of the inauguration of India’s new Hindu nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi. The consulate’s security forces killed the LeT terrorists first, preventing a crisis.

Since LeT is a proxy of Pakistan's military intelligence service known as the ISI, Indian intelligence officials assume the Herat attack was coordinated with higher-ups in Pakistan. They assume another LeT attack is only a matter of time. They are probably right on both counts.

This summer, clashes between Indian and Pakistani troops have escalated along the ceasefire line in Kashmir. Called “the Line of Control,” the Kashmiri front line has witnessed the worst exchanges of artillery and small arms fire in a decade this year, displacing hundreds of civilians on both sides. Over 20 have died in the crossfire already this month. Modi has ordered his army commanders to strike back hard at the Line of Control to demonstrate Indian resolve.

Although Modi made a big gesture in May when he invited his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif, to his inauguration, since then Modi has cancelled routine diplomatic talks with Pakistan on Kashmir and signaled a tough line toward terrorism. He also appointed a very experienced intelligence chief, Ajit Doval as his National Security Adviser. Doval is known as a hard liner on terrorism—and on Pakistan.

Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party strongly criticized his predecessor, Manmohan Singh, for what it saw as a weak response to the LeT 's attack on Mumbai in 2008. No military action was taken after 10 LeT terrorists, armed and trained by the ISI, killed and wounded hundreds of innocents, including six American dead.

In 2001 a previous BJP government mobilized the Indian military for months after a Pakistan-based terror attack on the Indian parliament. The two countries were eyeball to eyeball in a tense standoff for almost a year. Two years before that, the two countries fought a war in Kashmir around the town of Kargil.

In the 1999 Kargil War the Pakistani army crossed the LOC to seize mountain heights controlling a key highway in Kashmir. BJP Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee responded with air strikes and ground forces. The Indian navy prepared to blockade Karachi, Pakistan's major port and it's critical choke point for importing oil. A blockade would have rapidly cut off Pakistan from oil supplies. The Indian navy was so eager to strike it had to be restrained by the high command.

The Pakistanis began losing the fight at Kargil. Then they put their nuclear forces on high alert. President Bill Clinton pressured Nawaz Sharif (the prime minister then and now) into backing down at a crucial summit at Blair House on July 4, 1999. If Clinton had not persuaded Sharif to withdraw behind the LOC the war would have escalated further, perhaps to a nuclear exchange.

Kargil is a good paradigm for what a future crisis might look like. A BJP government is not likely to turn the other cheek. It cannot afford to let terror attacks go unpunished. That would encourage more.

The difference between the Kargil War and today is that both India and Pakistan now have far more nuclear weapons and delivery systems than 15 years ago. Pakistan is developing tactical nuclear weapons and has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. China provides Pakistan with its nuclear reactors. India has missiles that can reach all of Pakistan and even to Beijing. The escalatory ladder is far more terrifying than it was on the eve of the millennium.

For retreating in 1999 Sharif was overthrown in a coup by the army commander, Pervez Musharraf, who had planned the Kargil War. Now Musharraf is calling for Sharif to stand up to Modi and not be pushed around by India. The main opposition party leader. Bilawal Bhutto, has called for a tough line defending Kashmiri Muslim rights, promising to take "every inch" of Kashmir for Pakistan if he is elected prime minister in the future. Sharif is under pressure from another party leader, Imran Khan, to resign. The politics on both sides in South Asia leave little room for compromise or dialogue.

America is seen in South Asia as a power in decline, a perception fueled by the Afghan war. U.S. influence in New Delhi and Islamabad is low. A Clinton-like intervention to halt an escalation will be a tough act to follow. But the consequences of a nuclear exchange are almost too horrible to contemplate.

ICYMI: India-Pakistan Head for Nuke War - The Daily Beast
 
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There would be no nuke war between India Pakistan. Skirmishes on the LOC would keep happening, main focus of both countries to hit each other would be through proxies. What would be interesting to see is who would be more lethal.
 
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There would be no nuke war between India Pakistan. Skirmishes on the LOC would keep happening, main focus of both countries to hit each other would be through proxies. What would be interesting to see is who would be more lethal.
the staring contest of Indian and Chinese forces along the border is yet another thing to consider as well
Although there was no fire exchange last time but you never know what can happen.

by the way I agree with your comments. we will not have a massive war and will continue with skirmishes and proxy wars for at least our life time.
 
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Basically what this article tries to say is that South Asians are like kids, who do not know the result of a Nuclear war.

Since both sides are hawkish currently they will go ahead and lob the 'crackers' to act tough. Hero of Mohalla.

Big brother being Big brother needs to show that the perceptions 'of decline' are just perceptions and they need to intervene even if is tough.
 
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Yes skirmish and proxy all you want.

It will make no difference to the line of control or reshape of borders
 
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I'm shocked and disappointed that a well respected and researched author like Bruce Riedel has written that India and Pakistan are heading for a nuclear war!! That's so far fetched, it ain't even funny.

Skirmishes on the border and muscle flexing may be the order of the day, but an all out nuclear exchange? That ain't gonna happen. Period!
 
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the staring contest of Indian and Chinese forces along the border is yet another thing to consider as well
Although there was no fire exchange last time but you never know what can happen.


by the way I agree with your comments. we will not have a massive war and will continue with skirmishes and proxy wars for at least our life time.


About the underlined part: the two Armies have been staring at each other for decades, even showing banners to each other, then when they are done.......they play music to each other over loud-speakers and even get together for meals of momos, noodle soup and grilled meat in huts on the border. The last time bullets flew there was in 1967.

On the other side; there are huge stocks of old ammo to be used up. Apart from that; a great deal of "charitable" and "cultural" organisations to be kept occupied; so they will kept busy..........of course.
 
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I'm shocked and disappointed that a well respected and researched author like Bruce Riedel has written that India and Pakistan are heading for a nuclear war!! That's so far fetched, it ain't even funny.

Skirmishes on the border and muscle flexing may be the order of the day, but an all out nuclear exchange? That ain't gonna happen. Period!


He isn't talking about India & Pakistan deliberately going towards a nuclear war, merely pointing out that a chance (however minute) exists. Why blame him when the Pakistanis start trumpeting about their nuclear capability even when there is only firing at the border.

Do not underestimate the danger of a severe conflict. When there is attack (and it is only a question of when unfortunately) and if there is wide scale casualties & damage, what do you think will be the Modi government's response? What will be the PA's counter response and so on, all the way up the escalation ladder... If Modi chooses to go covert, fine but what if the attack is so brazen as to necessitate a harsh response? Maybe the Pakistanis will get the message. Maybe they won't. We simply don't know. It is why this game of chicken the Pakistanis insist on playing is bad for all concerned. what really would have happened if the LeT attack on the Indian consulate at Herat had succeeded & Indian diplomats were killed right during Modi's swearing in? What would have been the response? Either the Pakistanis are playing fast & loose without much thought input or they simply have lost control both of the jihadis as well as their controllers. Not a good situation, for India or for Pakistan.
 
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I'm shocked and disappointed that a well respected and researched author like Bruce Riedel has written that India and Pakistan are heading for a nuclear war!! That's so far fetched, it ain't even funny.

Skirmishes on the border and muscle flexing may be the order of the day, but an all out nuclear exchange? That ain't gonna happen. Period!

Soon they will be writing that in event of Indo-Pak war, their long range missiles may fall in Europe or Central Asia or Middle East. Bhad maarni hein toh moonh khol ke maaro.
 
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The gora predicts the nuke war between Pakistan and India as if they really want that to happen- and its not like a War not gona benefit them at all-
 
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Proxy war I am sure about that.But a full blown war is not going to happen.period.
 
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He isn't talking about India & Pakistan deliberately going towards a nuclear war, merely pointing out that a chance (however minute) exists. Why blame him when the Pakistanis start trumpeting about their nuclear capability even when there is only firing at the border.

Do not underestimate the danger of a severe conflict. When there is attack (and it is only a question of when unfortunately) and if there is wide scale casualties & damage, what do you think will be the Modi government's response? What will be the PA's counter response and so on, all the way up the escalation ladder... If Modi chooses to go covert, fine but what if the attack is so brazen as to necessitate a harsh response? Maybe the Pakistanis will get the message. Maybe they won't. We simply don't know. It is why this game of chicken the Pakistanis insist on playing is bad for all concerned. what really would have happened if the LeT attack on the Indian consulate at Herat had succeeded & Indian diplomats were killed right during Modi's swearing in? What would have been the response? Either the Pakistanis are playing fast & loose without much thought input or they simply have lost control both of the jihadis as well as their controllers. Not a good situation, for India or for Pakistan.

True, and everything boils down to 'who would blink first' in case of a crisis, and Modi can't really afford to blink first.
 
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India-Pakistan Head for Nuke War

Bruce Riedel


A crisis is brewing between nuclear armed India and Pakistan that could be their most dangerous ever.
India and Pakistan have fought four wars since 1947 and had several crises that went to the brink of war. Both tested nuclear weapons in 1998. Now tensions are escalating between the two again.

It began in May, when a heavily armed squad of Pakistani terrorists from Lashkar e Tayyiba (Army of the Pure) attacked India’s consulate in Herat, in western Afghanistan. They planned to massacre Indian diplomats on the eve of the inauguration of India’s new Hindu nationalist prime minister, Narendra Modi. The consulate’s security forces killed the LeT terrorists first, preventing a crisis.

Since LeT is a proxy of Pakistan's military intelligence service known as the ISI, Indian intelligence officials assume the Herat attack was coordinated with higher-ups in Pakistan. They assume another LeT attack is only a matter of time. They are probably right on both counts.

This summer, clashes between Indian and Pakistani troops have escalated along the ceasefire line in Kashmir. Called “the Line of Control,” the Kashmiri front line has witnessed the worst exchanges of artillery and small arms fire in a decade this year, displacing hundreds of civilians on both sides. Over 20 have died in the crossfire already this month. Modi has ordered his army commanders to strike back hard at the Line of Control to demonstrate Indian resolve.

Although Modi made a big gesture in May when he invited his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif, to his inauguration, since then Modi has cancelled routine diplomatic talks with Pakistan on Kashmir and signaled a tough line toward terrorism. He also appointed a very experienced intelligence chief, Ajit Doval as his National Security Adviser. Doval is known as a hard liner on terrorism—and on Pakistan.

Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party strongly criticized his predecessor, Manmohan Singh, for what it saw as a weak response to the LeT 's attack on Mumbai in 2008. No military action was taken after 10 LeT terrorists, armed and trained by the ISI, killed and wounded hundreds of innocents, including six American dead.

In 2001 a previous BJP government mobilized the Indian military for months after a Pakistan-based terror attack on the Indian parliament. The two countries were eyeball to eyeball in a tense standoff for almost a year. Two years before that, the two countries fought a war in Kashmir around the town of Kargil.

In the 1999 Kargil War the Pakistani army crossed the LOC to seize mountain heights controlling a key highway in Kashmir. BJP Prime Minister Atal Vajpayee responded with air strikes and ground forces. The Indian navy prepared to blockade Karachi, Pakistan's major port and it's critical choke point for importing oil. A blockade would have rapidly cut off Pakistan from oil supplies. The Indian navy was so eager to strike it had to be restrained by the high command.

The Pakistanis began losing the fight at Kargil. Then they put their nuclear forces on high alert. President Bill Clinton pressured Nawaz Sharif (the prime minister then and now) into backing down at a crucial summit at Blair House on July 4, 1999. If Clinton had not persuaded Sharif to withdraw behind the LOC the war would have escalated further, perhaps to a nuclear exchange.

Kargil is a good paradigm for what a future crisis might look like. A BJP government is not likely to turn the other cheek. It cannot afford to let terror attacks go unpunished. That would encourage more.

The difference between the Kargil War and today is that both India and Pakistan now have far more nuclear weapons and delivery systems than 15 years ago. Pakistan is developing tactical nuclear weapons and has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. China provides Pakistan with its nuclear reactors. India has missiles that can reach all of Pakistan and even to Beijing. The escalatory ladder is far more terrifying than it was on the eve of the millennium.

For retreating in 1999 Sharif was overthrown in a coup by the army commander, Pervez Musharraf, who had planned the Kargil War. Now Musharraf is calling for Sharif to stand up to Modi and not be pushed around by India. The main opposition party leader. Bilawal Bhutto, has called for a tough line defending Kashmiri Muslim rights, promising to take "every inch" of Kashmir for Pakistan if he is elected prime minister in the future. Sharif is under pressure from another party leader, Imran Khan, to resign. The politics on both sides in South Asia leave little room for compromise or dialogue.

America is seen in South Asia as a power in decline, a perception fueled by the Afghan war. U.S. influence in New Delhi and Islamabad is low. A Clinton-like intervention to halt an escalation will be a tough act to follow. But the consequences of a nuclear exchange are almost too horrible to contemplate.

ICYMI: India-Pakistan Head for Nuke War - The Daily Beast

Come on @Bang Galore are you falling for this trap. I mean seriously? India and Pakistan both has nukes only as toys that's it, while India understand it and hardly talks about it Pakistan has taken it to seriously. They think nuke will solve all problem for them. In reality there will be no nuke war, forget about nuke war Pakistan cannot even fight conventional war. It takes money to fight war. Indian economy will also take a hit with war, we realize this and that is why we do not wage war even when provocative situation occurred.
 
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