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India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

Good, but wasn't the question about the article you posted and about India's involvement in Afgan with bad intentions, with the quotation of Pakistanie establishment making it Public to the world.

By the way, again sir, I need proof from you for posting such article and others in this forum to prove this is true.... Do you understand or you are just trying to prove to me that your next kid on the block!!!

Thanks.



I don’t need to or intend to prove anything to anyone here including you. I post articles that are relevant and allow for a meaningful debate. The article had arguments from both sides and did not only take a dig at one party alone. I have worked in the Defense industry long enough to know how to conduct a proper discussion and try to come up with a logical solution. I refrain from making emotionally charged statements as much as possible as that only leads to useless argument with no result. Only by knowing the reasoning on both sides can one come up with a logical argument, a one sided debate is nothing ut trolling and a waste of time. I am here to learn something new and debate in a proper manner, justify my post or giving proof to anyone is not part of my itinerary.
Regards
DM
 
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^^^ So after two decades of failed policies you still wan to go back to the 90s in Afghanistan? The support that the Taliban and other extremists group in Afghanistan got from ISI/PA was one of the reasons responsible for refugees going to Pakistan and Iran and other parts of the world.

Btw, its was the NWFP and FATA that hosted the refugees and at its height it was 5 million. At present there are 1.7 million in Pakistan and under a million in Iran and most of the refugees have returned to Afghanistan. By 2012, the majority are expected to be repatriated.

UNHCR - UNHCR and Pakistan sign new agreement on stay of Afghan refugees

Why do you tell the half truth, It weas not isi, it was the response to invations by Russians, U believe the international and Indian press that is motivated by who knows what to always undermine Islam and Pakistan.

Thier duductions about refugees does not take into consideration those who have already settled in cities of Pakistan, when and if u r in Lahore u will see in all the markets Afghans are running businesses, in cloth markets, in timber markets, and many other markets, they are there in numbers and are quite settled. Dude.

This is true for Karachi, for Lahore for Islamabad and for other Pakistani cities. go and take a look and u will see.

The trouble is it is likes of u who continue to drive a wedge between two Muslims countires, to offset u r propoghanda, I will give u the facts about durand line, as I have given u the facts of more Afghans in pakistan than what International media says.

http://pakistanipatriots.blogspot.com/2009/11/afghan-pakistani-border-is-settled.html
 
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Our religion is the same but not our future.
well than u have not read Holy Quran And noble Hadees, And it says the following.

I will put some facts of the Muslim unity as noted in Holy Quran and Noble hadees, and i will give the link of the site as well, read and learn about true Islam and not the one pushed by some for personal gains.

Unity of Muslim Ummah?

The Start of Real Disunity

After almost 13 centuries of Muslim rule, the focus of Muslim Ummah changed. What Qur'an describes the attributes of Muslims as, "They (Muslims) are very kind among themselves but very hard on Kuffaar". Muslims slowly adopted the opposite attributes. They became very kind to KUFFAAR and very hard and cruel to Muslims. Our religious leadership started focusing on minor issues. Instead of healthy intellectual discussions, our religious leadership started emphasizing on resolving the differences through force. Some Muslim scholars intentionally used Qur'anic verses and misinterpreted their meanings. Those verses which Allah had revealed in Qur'an to inspire Muslims to fight against Kuffaar, these scholars used those verses to create animosity among Muslim brothers. They made a Muslim an enemy of another Muslim by using Qur'an and Hadith.
 
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I have worked in the Defense industry long enough to know how to conduct a proper discussion and try to come up with a logical solution

Mr. Great Desimen Prove this sentence for me.

Thanks, It would really help because of your great back ground in logical solutions to such problems....
 
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Who is emotional or trolling, infact if you think that I was trolling, I would have been banned long time ago, but I am here, do you know why because I require a hard proof or evidence... Intern of you, you are an Indian fool because you cannot back up any of your stupid sentences and ordering others to do so... Now do you feel Like a fool. Or you still do not get it newbie....

Wow I don’t even know why I am wasting my time even replying to you. I thought I would never say this but for the first time An Indian member is getting on my nerves. Lol the language you have used in your post clearly outlines that you are not worth arguing with. Only a delusional person like you would think that posting 2000 useless post makes you any better than a person who has less post than you. I do not know why you have not got banned or if you a troll or not, but atleast I know that you cannot respect a fellow forum member and has to indulge in petite name calling to get his points across. Words such as fool, newbie etc clearly outline your desperation and shortage of words. I give hard proof to members who are worth giving proof to, something many Indian members here can stand for. Arguing with a kid like you is not something I like to do so its better you stop begging. Mind your words Mr.Senior Member as seniority is not only proven by the number of post but the material posted in them. Learn to address other members with respect then come back.
Regards
DM
 
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Mr. Great Desimen Prove this sentence for me.

Thanks, It would really help because of your great back ground in logical solutions to such problems....

I think you don’t understand things in one go, as I said proving anything to you is not part of my itinerary, so stop asking kid.
 
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Mind your words Mr.Senior Member as seniority is not only proven by the number of post but the material posted in them. Learn to address other members with respect then come back. Regards
DM

Yes, but ofcourse, I was one those lucky seniors, but can you provide a hard link of your great ideas as well as your great brotherhood. Like you have you said, I am talking based on respect like you have said.....:partay:
 
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I think you don’t understand things in one go, as I said proving anything to you is not part of my itinerary, so stop asking kid.

You know what!!! I must because I have to hear from an outside source that is equally knowledgable in this issues, and it clearly looks like you are the one. So as being a kid I really want to learn from you about these issue, regarding India.

Thanks!! I am here also to learn!!!
 
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Yes, but ofcourse, I was one those lucky seniors, but can you provide a hard link of your great ideas as well as your great brotherhood. Like you have you said, I am talking based on respect like you have said.....:partay:

Again for the fifth time, I am not proving/Linking/stating/telling/ providing you with any “Proof”. Learn to respect people first Mr.Jeypore.
 
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Again for the fifth time, I am not proving/Linking/stating/telling/ providing you with any “Proof”. Learn to respect people first Mr.Jeypore.

There is no one like you!!!!

Here is looking at you Kid!!!

Thanks!!!
 
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well than u have not read Holy Quran And noble Hadees, And it says the following.

I will put some facts of the Muslim unity as noted in Holy Quran and Noble hadees, and i will give the link of the site as well, read and learn about true Islam and not the one pushed by some for personal gains.

Unity of Muslim Ummah?

The Start of Real Disunity

After almost 13 centuries of Muslim rule, the focus of Muslim Ummah changed. What Qur'an describes the attributes of Muslims as, "They (Muslims) are very kind among themselves but very hard on Kuffaar". Muslims slowly adopted the opposite attributes. They became very kind to KUFFAAR and very hard and cruel to Muslims. Our religious leadership started focusing on minor issues. Instead of healthy intellectual discussions, our religious leadership started emphasizing on resolving the differences through force. Some Muslim scholars intentionally used Qur'anic verses and misinterpreted their meanings. Those verses which Allah had revealed in Qur'an to inspire Muslims to fight against Kuffaar, these scholars used those verses to create animosity among Muslim brothers. They made a Muslim an enemy of another Muslim by using Qur'an and Hadith.

Hey ASQ, the post was somewhat confusing, can you please explain in more detail. You seem to have a good point there.
 
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Ahmadinejad hunkers down with Karzai
By Kaveh L Afrasiabi

On Monday, Iran's President Mahmud Ahmadinejad was due to visit Afghanistan on a short trip with a heavy agenda of issues concerning regional security and a drug trafficking problem that is growing despite advances against Afghan insurgents in Helmand province, the world's opium capital.

On the eve of his trip, Ahmadinejad once again captured headlines by describing the 9/11 attacks in New York and Washington as a "big lie" that was "intended to serve as a pretext for fighting terrorism and setting the grounds for sending troops to Afghanistan". His comment, directed at a regional audience, was clearly geared to one of Iran's main foreign policy goals - the removal of foreign forces in neighboring countries.

Thus, while relatively orderly parliamentary elections in Iraq favor that goal by increasing the likelihood of the US's military departure in 2011, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) offensive in Helmand is likely to be replicated soon in Kandahar and other provinces. Given that counter-insurgency and counter-narcotics are two sides of the same coin, the offensive may make a major difference to Afghanistan's production of raw opium. While some opium is converted to heroin inside Afghanistan, according to a UN report, most "goes through Baramchin and Nimar to Iran." (See 'US, Iran seek to stop Afghan narco-traffic', March 10, 2009).

To some extent, the invigorated counter-narcotics campaign has benefited Iran by increasing security, although a UN report of a 109% increase in opium production in Herat province adjacent to Iran last year is a worrying sign. Little wonder that in late January, Iran, as an observer to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), the Central Asian security forum, didn't stand in the way of an SCO statement that put a seal of approval on the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) presence in Afghanistan until it achieves its central task of creating a self-sufficient Afghan army and police force.

More broadly, insofar as the NATO operation in Afghanistan has a geostrategic dimension connoting NATO's "east-ward expansion", Ahmadinejad's strong objection at the weekend to the foreign presence in Afghanistan serves the SCO's geostrategic interest of erecting barriers to the organization.

Ahmadinejad's Kabul trip takes place at a time when trilateral Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan talks have produced a tangible dividend, mainly because Islamabad's recent cooperation with Iran in the arrest of Abdulmalik Rigi, the notorious head of the Jundallah terrorist group, seems to show Pakistan has shifted strategy to make cooperation with Iran an arm of its anti-India policy in Afghanistan.

There is a consensus in Tehran that Rigi's arrest would not have been possible without the cooperation of Pakistani intelligence, which has recently arrested a number of high-ranking Taliban leaders. As indicated by recent terrorist attacks on Indian citizens working in Kabul (attributed by India's media on Pakistan-backed groups), Islamabad has combined a more aggressive anti-India policy with a more compliant role with respect to Taliban and al-Qaeda.

A big question is: what does Islamabad expect to gain from Iran in the form of regional reciprocity by appeasing Tehran on Jundallah? While a quid pro quo in Afghanistan seems a corollary, Tehran has its own vested interests with India and Pakistan's cooperation on Rigi may have been, in fact, a result of Islamabad's fear of a pro-India tilt in Iran's regional behavior.

On the other hand, while Iran pursues a "win-win" scenario in relations with neighbors - and "near-neighbors" such as India - this potentially dilutes its power to play a spoiler role in Afghanistan, an important piece in the nuclear chess game at a time Iran is being pressed into a corner by the US bid to impose UN sanctions. The expression of support for Iran by a more confident Karzai may increase Tehran's options for nuclear diplomacy.

Officially, however, Iran's foreign policy is geared toward "increasing regional capacities'', and Ahmadinejad's Kabul visit has a trade-economic dimension in light of Iran's heavy investment in Afghanistan and its nearly US$1 billion in exports there in 2009. Ties between the two countries are set to grow in the fields of transport, communication, energy, industry, and trade and investment.

Some Tehran experts have expressed concern about the prospects for new sanctions against Iran and the success of US and its allies in pressuring foreign energy and trading companies operating in the country. Tehran cannot risk appearing as a pro-Pakistan player in Afghanistan because India is a major source of gasoline imports. By the same token, however, if India commits to playing a role in US-led sanctions against Iran, then New Delhi must expect some backlash from the region.

Such risks are relatively contained at present, but the potential for a worsening of the Iran nuclear crisis to create instability on multiple fronts cannot be discounted. To quote Mohammad Reza Bahrami, Iran's former ambassador to Kabul, Tehran considers 2010 a "decisive year for Afghanistan". By all indications, this is also a decisive year for Iran, and as a result the two historically connected neighbors' fates may be bound together like never before.

Kaveh L Afrasiabi, PhD, is the author of After Khomeini: New Directions in Iran's Foreign Policy (Westview Press) . For his Wikipedia entry, click here. His latest book, Reading In Iran Foreign Policy After September 11 (BookSurge Publishing , October 23, 2008) is now available.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs
 
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Hey ASQ, the post was somewhat confusing, can you please explain in more detail. You seem to have a good point there.

What confuses you, let me know and I will try to explain.

Besides it is for Muslim Umma, and when they read this they will understand.
One need to follow Muslim history as Muaslim to know this.

DR. Iqbal said.

Islam ki fitrat mien qudrat nay lachak di hay
Utnahi yeh ubhrey ga jitna keh daba dieney gay.
 
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