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India no longer considers Pakistan ‘principal enemy’

Of course it does. If you know I'm sitting and sharpening a knife to stab you, would you still hang around with me?

It's better to sit with someone who I know is sharpening a kinfe to stab me than to disengage & remain oblivious of the same man who might surprise me with a larger weapon & take me unawares...
 
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http://www.thestatesman.com

China’s force & diplomacy

The Need For Realism In India

By Subroto Roy

It is almost as large an error to overestimate Chinese military aims and capabilities as it has been to underestimate them. On 8 May 2008 in Tokyo’s Waseda University, China’s President Hu Jintao declared in a speech broadcast live “China has taken a defensive military policy and will not engage in any arms race. We will not become a military threat to any country and we will never assert hegemony or be expansionistic”. This was as clear and authoritative a reply as possible to the June 2005 statement in Singapore of the then American defence minister Donald Rumsfeld: “China appears to be expanding its missile forces, allowing them to reach targets in many areas of the world, not just the Pacific region, while also expanding its missile capacities here in the region. Since no nation threatens China, one must wonder: why this growing investment?”
By 2006, Rumsfeld’s generals were saying China had “the greatest potential to compete militarily with the United States,” and could “field disruptive military technologies that could over time offset traditional US military advantages absent US counter strategies”. The “sizing” of China’s military by American and other Western analysts became a parlour game ~ one with major business implications since the threat perceived or misperceived from China affects American decisions on the size of its own military.
As recently as 13 May 2008, the Wall Street Journal carried opinion that China’s military expansion demanded America have a 1000-ship navy not a 280-ship one, 40 aircraft-carriers not 11, 1000 F-22 aircraft not 183. Exaggerating China’s military and the threat posed by it to the world can mean big business for militaries opposing it!

Dominating India

Communist China’s physical, political and psychological domination of independent India since the 1950s has been achieved more by diplomacy, subterfuge and threat of force than actual military conflict. In its first phase, the policy was expressed clearly by the Chinese Ambassador to New Delhi on 16 May 1959 when he told India’s Foreign Secretary: “Our Indian friends, what is your mind? Will you agree to our thinking regarding the view that China can only concentrate its main attention eastward of China but not south-westward of China, nor is it necessary for it to do so?.... Friends, it seems to us that you, too, cannot have two fronts. Is it not so? If it is, here then lies the meeting point of our two sides. Will you please think it over?” (BN Mullick, Chinese Betrayal, p. 229).
At the time, Pakistan was in military alliances with the USA through CENTO and SEATO, and the Pakistan-China alliance was still years away. The Chinese had used subterfuge to construct their road linking Tibet and Sinkiang through Aksai Chin, ignoring India’s sovereignty, and were now suggesting they had no interest in fighting India because their major military interests were to their east as India’s were towards Pakistan.
The second phase was the short border conflict itself in 1962-63, which consolidated China’s grip on occupied territory in Aksai Chin while establishing its threat to the Brahmaputra Valley that has been perpetuated to this day.
The third phase is represented by the 27 November 1974 conversation between Henry Kissinger and Deng Xiaoping, recently made publicly available:
“Deng : There’s something very peculiar about Indian policy. For example, that little kingdom Sikkim. They had pretty good control of Sikkim. Why did they annex it?
Kissinger : It is a good thing India is pacifist, I hate to think (of what they would do) if they weren’t. (Laughs).
Deng : Sikkim was entirely under the military control of India.
Kissinger : I haven’t understood Sikkim. It is incomprehensible.
Deng : After the military annexation, their military position was in no way strengthened.
Kissinger : They had troops there already.
Deng : And they haven’t increased their troops since. We published a statement about it. We just spoke for the cause of justice.
Kissinger : Is it true that you set up loudspeakers to broadcast to the Indian troops on the border? It makes them very tense. (Laughs)
Deng : We have done nothing new along the borders, and frankly we don’t fear that India will attack our borders. We don’t think they have the capability to attack our borders. There was some very queer talk, some said that the reason why the Chinese issued that statement about Sikkim was that the Chinese were afraid after Sikkim that India would complete the encirclement of China. Well, in the first place we never feel things like isolation and encirclement can ever matter very much with us. And particularly with India, it is not possible that India can do any encirclement of China. The most they can do is enter Chinese territory as far as the Autonomous Republic of Tibet, Lhasa. And Lhasa can be of no strategic importance to India. The particular characteristic of Lhasa is that it has no air-because the altitude is more than 3,000 metres.
Kissinger : It’s a very dangerous area for drinking mao tai (a Chinese hard liquor).
Deng : Frankly, if Indian troops were able to reach Lhasa, we wouldn’t be able to supply them enough air! (Laughter)
Kissinger : I don’t think their intention is with respect to Tibet, their immediate intention is Nepal.
Deng : That is correct. They have been recently exercising pressure on Nepal, refusing to supply them oil. It is the dream of Nehru, inherited by his daughter, to have the whole subcontinent in their pocket.
Kissinger : And to have buffer zones around their border.... It is like British policy in the 19th Century. They always wanted Tibet demilitarized.
Deng : I believe even the British at that time didn’t make a good estimate of whether there was enough air. (Laughter)
Kissinger : I think an Indian attack on China would be a very serious matter that cannot be explained in terms of local conditions, but only in terms of a broader objective….”

Our self-delusion

The attitude that is revealed speaks for itself, and has been essentially continued by Deng’s successors in the next decades, especially Jiang Zemin and Hu Jintao. It is because China does not perceive a military threat from India that it has agreed to military exercises with us ~ exercises which, if anything, reinforce their psychological dominance by helping to spook our military’s morale. During this third phase also, China went about systematically creating a major military threat to India in its support of Pakistan’s military, exploiting our subcontinent’s communal conflicts fully to its own strategic advantage.
China has been engaged for more than a decade now in a massive exercise of modernisation of its armed forces, improving productivity, technology, organisation and discipline while trying to cut corruption. It has a right to do so, and such modernisation does not in and of itself signal aggressive intent. The last aggressive war China fought was almost 30 years ago against Vietnam. It is possible that what simply explains the military modernisation (besides conflict with Taiwan) is China’s awful history of being exploited by foreign powers over the centuries.
Indian analysts have expressed concern about nuclear submarines based in Hainan; but where else would China put them? We delude ourselves if we think we are the guardians of the Straits of Malacca. We may do better being concerned to try to modernise, improve productivity and reduce corruption in our own forces, as well as integrate them better with national goals as China has done instead of continuing to maintain them in a rather old-fashioned colonial / imperial manner.
 
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I think the title of the thread should be "India no longer considers Pakistan ‘principal threat’".

Also, do remember that in 1962, the IA was at its lowest point ever. PLA's victory was more or less a foregone conclusion. Now things are a lot different. Neither, India nor China can do anything to each other. Non-war operations, however, are a different story.
 
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it is a good thing ,pakistan should not be india's enemy, two countries should be friends
 
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"Deng : That is correct. They have been recently exercising pressure on Nepal, refusing to supply them oil. It is the dream of Nehru, inherited by his daughter, to have the whole subcontinent in their pocket."

Very likely to be true as judged by their behaviors.
 
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If Deng's imperialist mindset suggests to him that the Indian subcontinent can be in anyone's pocket, then he is hallucinating.

Each nation except Nepal, has come out of years of colonialism and each nation is no push over either.

Deng, if what you write is correct, has no idea about the subcontinent or its people.
 
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On 8 May 2008 in Tokyo’s Waseda University, China’s President Hu Jintao declared in a speech broadcast live “China has taken a defensive military policy and will not engage in any arms race. We will not become a military threat to any country and we will never assert hegemony or be expansionistic”.

This statement itself is a falsehood.

What is all the arms race and trying to match up with the US?

What are all the invasions on neighbours all about?

Peaceful acquisitions?

And shrinking China's territorial expanse?

Typical CCP talk of poison laced with honey so that no one is alarmed!!
 
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If Deng's imperialist mindset suggests to him that the Indian subcontinent can be in anyone's pocket, then he is hallucinating.

Each nation except Nepal, has come out of years of colonialism and each nation is no push over either.

Deng, if what you write is correct, has no idea about the subcontinent or its people.

Yet, imperialistic India
1. pushed over Sikkim.
2. claim K&J as whole.
3. ...

"Kissinger : I don’t think their intention is with respect to Tibet, their immediate intention is Nepal."
 
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Just compare it with the Imperial past of China and Imperial present of China!

And Kissinger is no soothsayer!
 
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Just compare it with the Imperial past of China and Imperial present of China!

And Kissinger is no soothsayer!


yeah,there is no soothsayer can predict everything right, so as Kissinger.
definitely china will stick up for the unity of the country's terretory, but i do not think china has any ambition to invade Nepal.

:pakistan::china::pdf:
 
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Really?

After Tibet, who?

I am amused that Kissinger is your hero!

An American capitalist and imperialist and a running dog and whatever cute epithets that you Chinese are capable of conjuring!

But then you are neither Capitalist nor Communist! You are the half way home types. Neither here nor there!!

Since you are the ''jack in the box'' type to find umbrage when none is intended, I will hasten to add I do not mean a hermaphrodite, I am merely alluding to the political and economic status of China!
 
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India no longer considers Pakistan ‘principal enemy’

some body needs to tell this to indian govt, indian media, indian population, indian military, bhaRAT ratshak folks i can go on and on.....:guns::guns:
 
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Really?

After Tibet, who?

I am amused that Kissinger is your hero!

An American capitalist and imperialist and a running dog and whatever cute epithets that you Chinese are capable of conjuring!

But then you are neither Capitalist nor Communist! You are the half way home types. Neither here nor there!!

Since you are the ''jack in the box'' type to find umbrage when none is intended, I will hasten to add I do not mean a hermaphrodite, I am merely alluding to the political and economic status of China!


Wonder what is happening to your standard. i dont see the more Chines brothers and sisters here on the forum should be a reason for trolling ;)
 
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If you do not see more brothers and sisters from China, it is because they have to face facts to their trolling and "I love Pakistan" refrains!

Even the latter has been shown to be the usual CCP homilies and softsoaping and not putting their money where their mouth is! ;)
 
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