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India Must Master the Great Game: WSJ

No - its validated from our own experience of the Indian media when it comes to the claims attributed to Headley, distortions of Musharraf's comments, accusations against the UN spokesperson (which resulted in the UN criticizing the Indian media along similar lines) etc.

Generalization is never good in a discussion.
I can poke equal number of holes in pakistani media reports ( or for that matter european, american, south east asian or any other country in the world). Would it make any difference?

Populist media reporting is a worldwide problem.

As far as this write up is concerned the cons are painting a bipolar world again. Pakistanis like you are denouncing anything even slightly anti china as b******t again and Indians like me (and others) are trying to protest anything a pakistani says without giving a thought to it's content again..... In short, all is well in the world!:)
 
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Rupee news is run by an Indian Hydrabadi. Its not a Pakistani site..and Pakistani, America and western media does not fall to shallowest depth of fact distortion and manipulation. Something the indian media is famous for!

YouTube - Musharaf kicking Indian Anchors on their ***.... LOL good work

YouTube - Mumbai Attacks - Pakistani Diplomat Schools Indian Journalist in Journalism & Rubbishes Indian Propaganda

the best of indian media can be described as pathetic, poor and rubbish!

The saudis and chinese never said they were with india to attack Pakistan. What they saidn infact was they were with India in its mourning but do not warrant attack on Pakistan but the shameless indian media as usual twisted the words to make it look like the best pakistani allies are now in the indian camp (wet dreams)

Thank you for your great comments.

Next time please do not quote any Indian media source to support your anti-India bashing.
 
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The WSJ is a conservative rag - the Neo-Cons haven't yet awoken to the reality that the Cold War is over, and will continue to vilify the 'ChiComs' and paint them as the enemy.

There is therefore reason to read conservative commentators with skepticism when they address/analyze China, since the American Conservative's tendency is to often paint it as a bogeyman in the former USSR's mold, out to take over the world and 'convert it to Communism'.

The conservatives just can't live without an opponent to bash - if its not the Chinese, its Muslims.

Eh, WSJ is slightly Right-of-center on political/cultural issues, while NY-Times is slightly left-of-center on political/cultural issues. The real difference comes in the economic perspective. WSJ is vehemently against any government interference or taxation, especially as it effects the wealthy, while NY-Times favors it. If you think any of the mainstream media (With perhaps the noted exception of FOX news) leans much one way or the other, you have spent too much time in the US reading editorials.....
 
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Jana ,

If we can make our country the second fastest growing economy
If we can become the ray of hope of the western world during its worst economic crisis after the great depression
If we can lift millions out of poverty in 20 years
If we can...leave it!

Are we fools that anybody will use us and we will let them use us? 15000+ posts and you still haven't realised what we Indians are capable of!

We are not fools!

Heck, we never let even USSR use us. What makes you think we will let US or any other country do that?

Our govt. is headed by some really sane people. They know what's right and what's not right for their country and that's why we are where we are and you are where you are.

We know what our problems are and we are working really hard to solve them. Can you say the same about your Govt./country?

:coffee:

Man i loved your post.:tup:
 
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Many of the major national i.e. English and Hindi news channels are owned at least a minority stake by Western Interests with a few exceptions. The ratings game rate race of these Television news channel make them vision-less sensationalist creatures, they are truly inspired by the partisan Point of View style of news-casting a kin to Fox News (on steroids).

Every Indian news host doing the interview are super opinionated, if the interviewee disagrees or has different POV, look at the way either they cut him off or argue with them. Unfortunately there are no good examples of objective journalism in the News Channels, you may find few in print media but the TV is mostly devoid of them.

The balance of power in the world is moving East and the West in general would not like that, so there are different circles which are hell-bent on creating a rift between India and China, and exploiting them to delay if not entirely stop the inevitable shift of balance of power. The Indian media because of its corporate culture and lack of any respect for Journalism, falls into this trap.
 
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here the writer is saying "From the waters off South Korea to the South China Sea, Beijing's recent assertiveness has gone down badly" citing many states as dying for joining India whereas talking about the same phrase about (the Chinese assertiveness) viz a viz Indian Ocean, an Indian analyst was warning about Chines growing muscles.

It seems that US wants to keep Indian in "Sab acha ha" state and at the same time trying to put the gun at Indian shoulder to shoot at China.

Oh really?
You know this?
And our military professionals and delegates are unaware!?
Yea,they didn't make 15000+ posts on PDF to be aware of that fact!
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Jana ,

If we can make our country the second fastest growing economy
If we can become the ray of hope of the western world during its worst economic crisis after the great depression
If we can lift millions out of poverty in 20 years
If we can...leave it!

Are we fools that anybody will use us and we will let them use us? 15000+ posts and you still haven't realised what we Indians are capable of!

We are not fools!

Heck, we never let even USSR use us. What makes you think we will let US or any other country do that?

Our govt. is headed by some really sane people. They know what's right and what's not right for their country and that's why we are where we are and you are where you are.

We know what our problems are and we are working really hard to solve them. Can you say the same about your Govt./country?

:coffee:

Awesomely perfect post!,i was looking to thank it again for the second time!:lol:,perfect post!
:cheers:
 
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If you think any of the mainstream media (With perhaps the noted exception of FOX news) leans much one way or the other, you have spent too much time in the US reading editorials.....

We are discussing an op-ed piece ...
 
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Rupee news is run by Moin Ansari, who is a born Pakistani now living in USA

Maybe he doesn't like being called a Pakistani and wants to present himself as an Indian hyderabadi? ;)

Just like a certain "professor" Abdul Rauff from "JNU"

Ontopic
The author of the article is an Australian who is director of the international security program at the Lowy Institute for International Policy in Sydney.


Just like India was never comfortable with being to close to USSR but was forced to do so because of unnecessary and hostile approach of the US-Pakistan combine. There is a danger of China pushing India to the US even though it doesnt want to. Upto China on how they look at their partnership with India.
 
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Keep the powder dry | Deccan Chronicle | 2010-09-03

The recent controversy over China’s provocative denial of a visa to an Indian general and New Delhi’s measured but firm response to the snub is one more pointer to the unsettled nature of political relations between our two countries.

As we all painfully remember, we went to war in 1962 — a decisive triumph for China, which wrested 23,200 square kilometres of Indian territory. At the same time, Beijing has seemingly gone out of its way in the last couple of years to remind India that it still claims a further 92,000 square kilometres, mainly in Arunachal Pradesh. It doesn’t help that our two countries share the longest disputed frontier in the world, since the Line of Actual Control (LAC) has never been formally delineated in a manner accepted by both sides. India’s borders were defined by British imperial administrators in the 1913 MacMahon Line, which China rejects (though it accepts that line as its frontier with Burma, which was in those days part of British India).

Whenever troops from either side build roads, construct or repair their bunkers and other routine fortifications, or conduct patrols close to the LAC, tensions can and repeatedly do flare up. When the two sides are anxious to avoid provoking each other, such activities are kept to a minimum, but it would seem that Beijing has taken a conscious decision to keep us on our toes. There are periodic reports of incursions by Chinese troops onto Indian soil and persistent irritants over Tibetans in India. Statements about China’s claim to Arunachal Pradesh, belligerent comments recalling the “lessons of ’62”, stapled visas for Indian citizens born in Kashmir, and now the denial of a visa that would have facilitated high-level defence contacts between our countries, suggest a disquieting determination on the part of Beijing not to allow normality to prevail in our relationship. To speak of a “trust deficit” between the two countries is arguably an understatement.

Some analysts, particularly on the fringes of the blogosphere, are even openly speculating about the prospect of active hostilities. But fears of imminent major hostilities are clearly overblown. China, thriving amidst the global recession and focused on its economic growth (and also still glowing from the huge public relations success of the 2008 Olympics), is hardly likely to jeopardise any of those gains by initiating a clash, and India has no desire whatsoever to provoke its northern neighbour.

In addition, focus on the irritants obscures some seriously positive developments. Trade has risen to an estimated $51 billion in the 2008-09 fiscal year; China has overtaken the US as India’s largest single trading partner, though the trade balance is overwhelmingly in China’s favour. There are some 7,000 Indian students in China. Tourism, particularly of Indian pilgrims to the major Hindu holy sites in Tibet, Mount Kailash and Lake Mansarovar, is thriving. Indian information technology firms have opened offices in Shanghai and Hangzhou. There are dozens of Chinese engineers working in (and learning from) Indian computer firms and engineering companies from Gurgaon to Bengaluru, while Indian software engineers in Chennai and Bengaluru support the Chinese telecom equipment manufacturer Huawei. India has become a major market for Chinese engineering and construction project exports, and a vital source of raw materials, from iron ore to chemicals.

By and large, India is good at things that China needs to improve at, notably software; China excels at hardware and manufacturing, which India sorely lacks. So there is no doubt that co-operation is in the best interests of the peoples of both India and China. The two countries have complementarities that could make such co-operation mutually beneficial (as some companies in both countries are already proving). In other words, the Indian elephant is in fact dancing with the Chinese dragon.

But the dancers keep tripping over each other’s feet. Behind the recent unpleasantness lies a broader strategic problem. With the end of the Cold War, Beijing had two options in relation to India: to see the country as a natural ally, together with Russia, in building up an alternative to US dominance in the region, or to identify it as a potential adversary to its own aspirations. The emergence of a stronger US-Indian partnership in recent years appears to have convinced China to place New Delhi in the latter category, even as a potential instrument of “containment” of China. Such a perception may have been reinforced by India’s military exercises with the US, Japan and Australia, our cultivation of the former Soviet “stans” in Central Asia (including the establishment of an Indian military base in Tajikistan) and our attempts in recent years to establish strategic ties with countries that Beijing sees as falling within its own sphere of influence (from Mongolia to Vietnam, and including Burma). We should not be apologetic about any of these things, which are unquestionably in India’s national interests. But we should realise that Beijing’s reaction is to find ways repeatedly to put India in its place, to keep us bottled up in our own region with troubles across all our borders, and to remind us from time to time not to become complacent about our political relationship with them.

This is why China opposed us in the Nuclear Suppliers Group on the Indo-US nuclear deal. Concerned that the American willingness to create an “Indian exception” reflected a desire to build India up as a strategic counterweight to China, Beijing signed a similar accord with Pakistan. Similarly, China’s support for Pakistan, including military assistance and now the raking up of Kashmir again, suggests that China wishes to use our troublesome neighbour to keep our regional, let alone global, ambitions in check.

So it would be wise for the usually complacent elephant to be wary of the hissing dragon. Needling an anxious-to-please New Delhi on its troubled northern borders helps China to keep India guessing about its intentions, exposes our vulnerabilities to all within our fractious democracy, and cuts a potential strategic rival to size. India and China should not cease exploring the complementarities that could make for a thriving economic partnership. But we should have no illusions about the amount of geopolitical space Beijing would like us to enjoy. For this reason, we should maintain a credible level of deterrence, and be firm in defence of our own interests. In other words, trust in diplomacy, but keep our powder dry.

* Shashi Tharoor is a member of Parliament from Kerala’s Thiruvananthapuram constituency
 
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Rupee news is run by an Indian Hydrabadi. Its not a Pakistani site..and Pakistani, America and western media does not fall to shallowest depth of fact distortion and manipulation. Something the indian media is famous for!

YouTube - Musharaf kicking Indian Anchors on their ***.... LOL good work

YouTube - Mumbai Attacks - Pakistani Diplomat Schools Indian Journalist in Journalism & Rubbishes Indian Propaganda

the best of indian media can be described as pathetic, poor and rubbish!

The saudis and chinese never said they were with india to attack Pakistan. What they saidn infact was they were with India in its mourning but do not warrant attack on Pakistan but the shameless indian media as usual twisted the words to make it look like the best pakistani allies are now in the indian camp (wet dreams)

My dear bozo. First of all let me congratulate you and state that I fully agree that this Indian orange media is utter bullshit.

Now my bozo,

Would you agree that your media is no better or saintly?

If, my dear bozo, you want me to post videos, please do notify me.

BBye...my dear bozo :-) :wave:


Ohh, and please don't repeat yourself by saying that Indian media is BS. I have already accepted that remember!
 
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unbeleivable but true ................i think india needs to play iplomati game game well................by the way HAVE U GUYS NOTICED THAT LL COMMUNIST REGIMES HAVE COLLAPSED IN THE PAST.....................HMMMM ME THINKS THAT THE CHINESE ARE ALSO COMM......U FILL THE GAP.
 
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