India: Muslim Share in Government Jobs crosses 10%

[Tshering22]

Good increase but still 10% is no close to 21% of Muslims in yr country.

You know why people remain backward?

Because of reservations. Because they know that they will get what they want without working for it.

In some of the threads, many Pakistani members have asked why are Muslims in India generally poorer as a community compared to other communities.

To work hard and be selected in top corporates, you need to get that kind of grade. But when you know that you will get a government job (with a much lesser salary compared to a private firm) getting 50% or even 33% in exams, why will anyone work hard?

Less salary means not enough to spend and with the kind of family sizes muslims have, it becomes a constraint for all the kids who again are forced to go for reservations which continues this cycle of inefficiency and poverty.

This is the answer you all are searching for: Free ka maal without working for it unlike the communities like Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Parsis, Jains, us etc.

 

[Spring Onion]

No No No... No extreme force.. Just change there religion, they will change.. The same ppl will accept Buddhism/Sikkhism/Jianism/Hinduism, they will become peaceful. Trust me..

bwahahahah as peaceful as Hindu militants from saffron?

Who killed Sikhs in 84

Who burnt Christians in orrissa

Who had mascaraed Muslims in Gujrat


And who had killed peaceful Gandhi.

Oh yeh peaceful Indian Hindus

 

[SarthakGanguly]

"does considers himself to be an indian"
If even after threatening with the slaughter of 100 crore non Muslims, he considers himself Indian, then seriously speaking I must be a Kimbuktuan.

Besides it is good to see you could not breathe without bringing in Togadia and Thakeray. This despite the fact that regionalism and teaching lesson is nowhere near the shout to exterminate an entire population, destroy temples(starting with Bhagyalakshmi) and still standing for election in India!

I am not surprised to see you though. Only remember one thing, when things change from bad to worse(Muslim non Muslim riots are common in ultra secular Hyderabad) don't come crying to some RSS camp for protection. They would welcome you in but it would be hypocritical - don't you think?

im a hindu born and brought up in hyd..and i dont support his hate speeches either.that has nothing to do with his ideologue but more to do with his political motives.if muslims in hyd become liberal and secular then the existence of the party will be in question so they try to arouse the communal sentiments in the city.but he does considers himself to be an indian.everybody does good and bad but its not correct to label the person as entirely good or entirely bad.good deeds must be appreciated and bad deeds must be condemned.im just objective as a staunch hyderabadi..nothing wrong in tryn to develop his community but it must be done with out imbibing hatered towards other communities.nodoubt it must be condemned but it must be done on an equal scale towards many other aswell what ever community or region they belong to.in the above vedio he says that he will protect all the people who settled in hyd from telangana agitators.thats a good thing and must be appreciated.if some thakery says that no outsider should work in his state and attack them or if some togadia says that hindus shall teach muslims lesson.they must be condemned in equal tone.law must be equal for all..im a hindu but im secular and indian first.

 

[Tshering22]

im a hindu born and brought up in hyd..and i dont support his hate speeches either.that has nothing to do with his ideologue but more to do with his political motives.if muslims in hyd become liberal and secular then the existence of the party will be in question so they try to arouse the communal sentiments in the city.but he does considers himself to be an indian.everybody does good and bad but its not correct to label the person as entirely good or entirely bad.good deeds must be appreciated and bad deeds must be condemned.im just objective as a staunch hyderabadi..nothing wrong in tryn to develop his community but it must be done with out imbibing hatered towards other communities.nodoubt it must be condemned but it must be done on an equal scale towards many other aswell what ever community or region they belong to.in the above vedio he says that he will protect all the people who settled in hyd from telangana agitators.thats a good thing and must be appreciated.if some thakery says that no outsider should work in his state and attack them or if some togadia says that hindus shall teach muslims lesson.they must be condemned in equal tone.law must be equal for all..im a hindu but im secular and indian first.

Well that is your opinion and you have a right to it.

But this man is a nuisance and while I appreciate your background and your perspective, a lot of Hindu Andhraites who were my batchmates, despise him and have told me. Even Christian Andhraites dislike him, not to mention the tiny population from my community over there.

Thackeray follows a regionalist politics and I condemn it.

As for Praveen Togadia, yes he has also said fiery statements but he doesn't call for slaughter of entire faith of people OF that country. While Owaisi does that.

Bottomline is, as a Secularist no matter how much you equate him with VHP or other Hindu groups, he is still a problem and a nuisance for others.

"does considers himself to be an indian"
If even after threatening with the slaughter of 100 crore non Muslims, he considers himself Indian, then seriously speaking I must be a Kimbuktuan.

Besides it is good to see you could not breathe without bringing in Togadia and Thakeray. This despite the fact that regionalism and teaching lesson is nowhere near the shout to exterminate an entire population, destroy temples(starting with Bhagyalakshmi) and still standing for election in India!

I am not surprised to see you though. Only remember one thing, when things change from bad to worse(Muslim non Muslim riots are common in ultra secular Hyderabad) don't come crying to some RSS camp for protection. They would welcome you in but it would be hypocritical - don't you think?

Most of the people following Secularist mentality don't understand that they are intentionally not seeing the dangers of such lunatics as this man and promote him in the name of 'equality'.

I tell you; many people actually found it very shocking as to how I being a Buddhist speak like this and many thought I was a fake ID.

However, the reasons that were confusing some of these people opened as proof soon in the form of Myanmar issue and the blasts at our holiest place; the Mahabodhi Shrine.

 

[doppelganger]

I have never understood why Muslims need reservations man. Can there be a bigger reservation than getting a country all to your own? The chance to avail of that was open for some time. Now its time for those whose grandparents and parents stayed back to have no confusion about where one belongs and work towards contributing to that country. On merit. Personally though I am just glad to see that they are working. Its a start.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Sikhs were not killed by Hindus. RSS saved many Sikhs. Even Khuskwant Singh(an RSS critique) admits it.
Burning Christians - It began largely after a Hindu seer was assassinated there. Still it is universally condemned. Unlike Islamists who are proud to proclaim their attacks, even RSS condemned it.
Massacred Muslims in Gujrat - Hindus were burnt in a train - women and children till they died. A couple of Muslim politicians were also involved. It is all on record. Riots used to happen frequently in Gujarat. That was the last time it happened. In spite of that about 4 times more number of Hindus have been arrested in trials for preventive detention as compared to Muslims.
Killed peaceful Gandhi - Godse. Unlike suicide bombers, he shot Gandhi and surrendered to police. Huge difference. But you won't understand. RSS was not involved.

Peaceful Indian Hindus - Thanks.

And - Spring....

bwahahahah as peaceful as Hindu militants from saffron?

Who killed Sikhs in 84

Who burnt Christians in orrissa

Who had mascaraed Muslims in Gujrat


And who had killed peaceful Gandhi.

Oh yeh peaceful Indian Hindus

 

[Umair Nawaz]

You know why people remain backward?

Because of reservations. Because they know that they will get what they want without working for it.

In some of the threads, many Pakistani members have asked why are Muslims in India generally poorer as a community compared to other communities.

To work hard and be selected in top corporates, you need to get that kind of grade. But when you know that you will get a government job (with a much lesser salary compared to a private firm) getting 50% or even 33% in exams, why will anyone work hard?

Less salary means not enough to spend and with the kind of family sizes muslims have, it becomes a constraint for all the kids who again are forced to go for reservations which continues this cycle of inefficiency and poverty.

This is the answer you all are searching for: Free ka maal without working for it unlike the communities like Hindus, Sikhs, Jews, Parsis, Jains, us etc.

Then it comes down to Privatization and Nationalization.

Honestly the privates will always get the best as their priority is to only get the best suited people to make money for them.

The actual problem is System called Capitalism in yr and my Country who protects the private Businessmen and rich class which exploits poor, Country and Government.

 

[Tshering22]

I have never understood why Muslims need reservations man. Can there be a bigger reservation than getting a country all to your own? The chance to avail of that was open for some time. Now its time for those whose grandparents and parents stayed back to have no confusion about where one belongs and work towards contributing to that country. On merit. Personally though I am just glad to see that they are working. Its a start.

This is what is missing.

This is what they don't want to do.

Those who are honest among them, are suppressed by their families and elders who are of the old mindset.
Many in the younger generation want to work and get things on merit.

But sadly because of the divide that the secoolarists create by favouring one community over the other and call it 'equality', the tension continues to simmer between those who want 'free ka maal' versus those who struggle hard for their rights.

 

[Paris]

bwahahahah as peaceful as Hindu militants from saffron?

Who killed Sikhs in 84

Who burnt Christians in orrissa

Who had mascaraed Muslims in Gujrat


And who had killed peaceful Gandhi.

Oh yeh peaceful Indian Hindus

But wonder still Muslims girls not get kidnaped , raped , converted and sold Just because they are "Muslims"

We lag very behind Pakistan where "Constitution is made to discriminate non-Muslims" . and day day lagging more and more behind , We should do something about that. If Pakistan treat second class to non-Muslim then we should treat to Muslims.

Our Supreme court should give Advantages to Muslims girl kidnappers and rapist . you know we should do something about that. lets see ....

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Sikhs were not killed by Hindus. RSS saved many Sikhs. Even Khuskwant Singh(an RSS critique) admits it.
Burning Christians - It began largely after a Hindu seer was assassinated there. Still it is universally condemned. Unlike Islamists who are proud to proclaim their attacks, even RSS condemned it.
Massacred Muslims in Gujrat - Hindus were burnt in a train - women and children till they died. A couple of Muslim politicians were also involved. It is all on record. Riots used to happen frequently in Gujarat. That was the last time it happened. In spite of that about 4 times more number of Hindus have been arrested in trials for preventive detention as compared to Muslims.
Killed peaceful Gandhi - Godse. Unlike suicide bombers, he shot Gandhi and surrendered to police. Huge difference. But you won't understand. RSS was not involved.

Peaceful Indian Hindus - Thanks.

And - Spring....

what abt Rajiv Gandhi?

u started this technique long before anyone in Muslim world knew abt it.

 

[Spring Onion]

Sikhs were not killed by Hindus. RSS saved many Sikhs. Even Khuskwant Singh(an RSS critique) admits it.
Burning Christians - It began largely after a Hindu seer was assassinated there. Still it is universally condemned. Unlike Islamists who are proud to proclaim their attacks, even RSS condemned it.
Massacred Muslims in Gujrat - Hindus were burnt in a train - women and children till they died. A couple of Muslim politicians were also involved. It is all on record. Riots used to happen frequently in Gujarat. That was the last time it happened. In spite of that about 4 times more number of Hindus have been arrested in trials for preventive detention as compared to Muslims.
Killed peaceful Gandhi - Godse. Unlike suicide bombers, he shot Gandhi and surrendered to police. Huge difference. But you won't understand. RSS was not involved.

Peaceful Indian Hindus - Thanks.

And - Spring....

Why do you think only RSS is Hindu?

You can hide behind covers like oh that was done by Congress but they were HINDUS right

There was NO proof that Christians killed the Hindu seer still Christians were burnt alive by Hindus

Gujrat incident and train incident were discussed to death and it never created any reason for Hindus to kill hundreds of own Indian Muslims .

And oh whats the difference if a terrorist kills you with bomb or a terrorist kill you by shooting you with a weapon?

Godse killed Gandhi and no justification can be brought in for that killing

 

[Umair Nawaz]

But wonder still Muslims girls not get kidnaped , raped , converted and sold Just because they are "Muslims"

who says that?

in Gujrat not once but twice in 92 and 2002 Muslim massacre u did that!

only if yr state control media has not broadcast that doesnt mean it nvr happened.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Not we. I can remember many such incidents of suicide bombings.
Kamikazes were very famous in their times.
I will not deny that the person who killed Rajiv Gandhi was not a Hindu. She was and she is. But one important consideration is that she killed not in the name of religion. Neither did the kamikazes. There was no tinge of faith in their attacks. It was entirely and undeniably a politically motivated attack.

what abt Rajiv Gandhi?

u started this technique long before anyone in Muslim world knew abt it.

 

[Paris]

I don't understand Why Muslims are not second class citizen in India when non-Muslims are in Pakistan , zanazt hi khatam kar dalate hai Secularism ka.

 

[Tshering22]

The it comes down to Privatization and Nationalization.

Honestly the privates will always get the best as their priority is to only get the best suited people to make money for them.

The actual problem is System called Capitalism in yr and my Country who protects the private Businessmen and rich class which exploits poor, Country and Government.

Capitalism is not wrong in real sense.

Actually, Socialism is the culprit.

The reservation problem comes from the Socialist mentality of the government that followed this model from the USSR days.

No body would get anything extra for their effort while everybody would get the same.

It is a flawed model because then there is no incentive to perform.

Tell me, if you are working extra hard, taking extra initiatives for your company to benefit or to excel in your studies, how would you feel if you got the same 'guaranteed' salary that a lazy-@$$ joker got in your office?

This is the same thing.

While no profession is easy and trivial (Even a sweeper does useful job and is respectable), there is a reason why professions are categorized with specific levels of rewards.

A doctor earns more than a mechanic because while the mechanic repairs a non-living automobile, a doctor saves the lives of ailing people.

A pilot earns more than a ticket counter checker because in the air when there is no support, hundreds of lives are balancing on his shoulders and it is his responsibility to get them back in one piece on earth.

These are just small examples.

I know there is exploitation of the poor and it is very evident in India especially when I visit to good countries like Nordic nations and see the difference in labour pay etc.

But that is not because of Capitalism: it is because there is no labour law to protect the lower sections's rights.

A labourer may get half the salary he is promised; if he protests they will fire him. But the unscrupulous manager knows that if he leaves, in a country like India, 100 more will try to get his place.

That is because there is NO labour law. And India's labour laws are a joke. They can never be implemented on private firms because everyone is a sell-out here.

Forget labourers, even ambitious young executives are given pathetic treatment by seniors.

The culture to bully because of seniority is a problem in entire South Asia, compared to Western countries where these things are there, but nowhere in the proportion found in our countries.