India : Muslim family forced to leave theatre for not standing during national anthem

[Luffy 500]

They should have been booked, bahut charbi chad gayi hai kuch logo ko.

Why highlight their religion, similar treatment would have been meted out to any idiot. And its not like they had "Muslim" written on their forehead.

SO not showing "respect" to anthem is blasphemy but mocking of islam is free speech? U people are such big hypocrites.

In fact one of the men arguing strongly against the jerk who was sitting down, was a Muslim himself (going by appearance). I could distinctly hear him say "Shame on You.

The real shame is on that unruly mob. WHat is the value of your 2 bit anthem? The pride on anthem is a social construct based on fallacious european notions of nationalism. The muslim family who justifiably did not stand up had sound intellect to not fall for such a fallacious narrative unlike that intellectually colonized unruly mob.

it is quiet strange of them regardless of religion to not stand and sing the anthem. after all aren't they indian and dont they love their country? i blame the people sitting down they should have stood up at least.

The question u should rather ask yourself is why should they sing the anthem? Recently your labor leader Jeremy Corbyn refused to sing your national anthem. Did u forget that?

People should respect the national anthem of all countries, not just theirs. I think it is a crime not to stand up and respect the national anthem of any country, unless it is a part of a movie or drama or documentary etc.

Why should people have to respect the national anthem? Why not to stand up is a crime ? Have u ever asked yourself that question? Or went with the post-colonial absurd western narrative?

 

[Nilgiri]

Let me give you a small piece of Free Advice.

NEVER get involved with COPS in your life. You will Live to regret it. They are worse than Criminals.

Go to them ONLY if you know someone high up in the IPS or Minister level. But its still not worth it.

This is Reality. Not your Theoretical make belief world where court rooms look like movie sets.

This debate has run its course. I am of the firm belief that what happened was for the best. A man who showed disrespect was heckled and was humiliated and made to leave a public space for disrespecting others.

The man would have been worse off if he was handed over to cops. He would have to burn through favours to get himself out if he lands with a bad cop.

Point taken! The practicalities in India are what they are....I am talking about an ideal world obviously (its a forum).

I still feel that theatre management should have been brought in (and they may have been, who knows)

C'mon you are taking it to an extreme to make it sound ridiculous. IRL everyone uses common sense. If you maid steals rice from the pantry you are not likely to call the cops, if a Nigerian prince empties out your bank account you will.

Disrespecting the flag or anthem is not a petty thing in my books.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Well you will be excited to know that the NBA extra-judicially suspended a Muslim player for not standing up for the US national anthem....and then they harrassed him to the point where he "compromised" in standing up but keeping his face down and eyes closed "in prayer". Eventually he left the NBA itself quite early in his career because of it.

So do you count that as mob vigilantism then?

Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf: Here, gone and quickly forgotten - SBNation.com

Assuming events unfolded as mentioned in the story you linked to, it's an excellent example of my point that societies never really stop evolving.

That said, where is the mob violence? It sounds a lot like the NBA went through with its internal processes of communicating and discussing the issue with him.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Disrespecting the flag or anthem is not a petty thing in my books.

It is in India. Its a pretty Big deal.

 

[Nilgiri]

I doubt the intent of the family was to 'test the waters'. Do you really think this was the first time they went to the theater and the first time they chose not to stand up during the anthem?

You can't blame the family (the victim in this case) for somehow randomly determining how prevalent extremist views are in their society when they (presumably) never encountered such behavior before.

Again you are assuming loads of things here.

It is in India. Its a pretty Big deal.

I said NOT a petty thing ...i.e a big deal. I would not have just drove them off like this vigilante crowd.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

I said NOT a petty thing ...i.e a big deal. I would not have just drove them off like this vigilante crowd.

India is a happening place and we live in Interesting Times

 

[LaBong]

C'mon you are taking it to an extreme to make it sound ridiculous. IRL everyone uses common sense. If you maid steals rice from the pantry you are not likely to call the cops, if a Nigerian prince empties out your bank account you will....dude you live in Canada not Mumbai....mamsalphala has a point

They should have asked the management to escort them out. Every movie hall has people who enforce the rules. It someone comes before you and sits on the seat allocated to you, you dont start fighting but go to the management so that they can remove the person who's not following rules.

Or if you have a bunch college friends with you who are high and the other guy doesnt have back up or with his gf and family, you might behave exatly the same like this mob.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If they were so concerned about their small child with them, Maybe they should have thought twice before deciding to breAk the law when they had a small child with them.really these folk were either really stupid or really arrogant.

For a family to think that not standing for the national anthem in a movie theater would place their safety and even that of their child at risk is reflective of a failure of the society they are a part of and a failure of the government entrusted to ensure their safety.

The family is not at fault here, much as the women who is raped while using public transport at night is not at fault. The blame here lies with the theater patrons who engaged in harassment and threats, and with the theater management for not maintaining a peaceful and threat free environment in their establishment, and at a broader level, a failure of society and government in (as can be seen on this thread) finding ways to blame the victim for being in harms way.

 

[Mike_Brando]

But, RSS and Bhakts don't consider Tagore's poetry as National Anthem? Aren't they pushing for Vande Mataram as national anthem?

Lol,padre you see both Vande Mataram and Jana Gana Mana was composed by Dharmic Bengalis and both of them were composed as eulogies to praise the Motherland,so it doesn't matter if "Jana Gana Mana" has been selected as our National Anthem because at the same time"Vande Mataram" has also been conferred the status of the National Song of India

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Again you are assuming loads of things here.

They are very reasonable assumptions, but my argument stands even without them. The information provided related to this incident suggests that the family acted passivel and certainly without any indication that they would cause tangible harm to anyone.

'Hurt sentiments' is a frivolous and utterly ridiculous yardstick to justify mob action.

 

[Sky lord]

For a family to think that not standing for the national anthem in a movie theater would place their safety and even that of their child at risk is reflective of a failure of the society they are a part of and a failure of the government entrusted to ensure their safety.

The family is not at fault here, much as the women who is raped while using public transport at night is not at fault. The blame here lies with the theater patrons who engaged in harassment and threats, and with the theater management for not maintaining a peaceful and threat free environment in their establishment, and at a broader level, a failure of society and government in (as can be seen on this thread) finding ways to blame the victim for being in harms way.

The difference is that a woman using public transport at night or any time at all is perfectly legal but not standing up for the national anthem is not. Also rape is criminal. Yelling is not - if it was practically everybody in India would be serving time. We yell a lot, at home, on TV, at cricket matches.

Moral of the story for this duffer family is " obey the law and obey it especially when little Pinki is with you unless you want her to witness her parents getting into trouble"

You are behaving as though these people were tortured to death or something, they just got a yelling.

Anyway can someone answer me, why do some Muslims have a problem with respecting the national anthem of any country?
What's up with that? I mean no offense , I genuinely want to know what is so terrible about standing up or respecting the flag or anthem? Why all this bravado?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lol,padre you see both Vande Mataram and Jana Gana Mana was composed by Dharmic Bengalis and both of them were composed as eulogies to praise the Motherland,so it doesn't matter if "Jana Gana Mana" has been selected as our National Anthem because at the same time"Vande Mataram" has also been conferred the status of the National Song of India

Jana Gana Mana was NOT composed as a eulogy to praise the mother land.

Vande Mataram is NOT the National Song of India; there is no such animal. It is the national hymn.

Get your facts straight, please.

 

[Blue Marlin]

[QUOTE="Luffy 500, post: 7943493, member: 136205"
The question u should rather ask yourself is why should they sing the anthem? Recently your labor leader Jeremy Corbyn refused to sing your national anthem. Did u forget that?
[/QUOTE]
jerermy corbyn is not even worthy of being called labour labour leader. he will jump ship near towards the next election.
besides he stood up and blended in whilst the indian family didnt.

 

[Mike_Brando]

In south India no one cares about such silly matters...we are much more civilized than the ones seen in the video.

Sitting when your National Anthem is being palyed is not a sign of being a civilized person.Here in Kolkata,if you dare to do that you'll be literally thrown out of the multiplex by the mob themselves.Disrespecting the National Flag or the National Anthem is a punishable offense under Prevention of Insults to National Honour Act, 1971

Jana Gana Mana was NOT composed as a eulogy to praise the mother land.

Vande Mataram is NOT the National Song of India; there is no such animal. It is the national hymn.

Get your facts straight, please.

Sir,thanks for the corrections.I got it all mixed up although it seems that Vande Mataram (the first 2 stanzas) was conferred with the status of the "National Song" of India by the President of the Constituent Assembly Dr.Rajendra Prasad s per wikipedia(although i may be wrong in this matter too)

Rajendra Prasad, who was presiding the Constituent Assembly on 24 January 1950, made the following statement which was also adopted as the final decision on the issue:

...The composition consisting of words and music known as Jana Gana Mana is the National Anthem of India, subject to such alterations as the Government may authorise as occasion arises, and the song Vande Mataram, which has played a historic part in the struggle for Indian freedom, shall be honoured equally with Jana Gana Mana and shall have equal status with it. (Applause) I hope this will satisfy members.

—Constituent Assembly of India, Vol. XII, 24-1-1950

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Vande Mataram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The difference is that a woman using public transport at night or any time at all is perfectly legal but not standing up for the national anthem is not. Also rape is criminal, yelling is not.

What court established that allegation against the family? Harassment and threatening behavior as part of a mob is not 'yelling'. This would be a situation that someone might feel justified in thinking about using a legal firearm to protect their family.

Moral of the story for this duffer family is " obey the law and obey it especially when little Pinki is with you unless you want her to witness her parents getting into trouble"

No, the moral of the story is that government and various public establishments need to ensure they maintain public order and prevent harassment and violence/threats of violence by mobs, and allow the legal system to function when claims of 'law breaking' are made.

Anyway can someone answer me, why do some Muslims have a problem with respecting the national anthem of any country?
What's up with that? I mean no offense , I genuinely want to know what is so terrible about standing up or respecting the flag or anthem? Why all this bravado?

I have no interest or information on why some community in India does or does not do XYZ - I'm making a general point about condemning mob behavior and, in this instance, specifically condemning the behavior of the patrons confronting the family and the theater management in not kicking out the patrons confronting the family for disturbing public order and harassment.