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Pak is suffering drone attacks, Blackwater-Xe, WOT, etc. And the others are midgets compared to Bharat (i.e. Nepal, BD, SL, Maldives).

Well, India may just be the most economically competitive country is S. Asia. Let's leave the well deserved victory cup to India. Here's my hope for 2020:

China > USA
India > Germany + France + UK
Pak > Canada + Spain

Sir I respect your viewpoint.

But size has nothing to do with it. You see Bristish ruled half of the planet being so small. Even more of the developed economies are small in size.

Counties in south asia are small but they also have a small population to feed.

I would say,
Size does not matter, it is how you do it. Even big sizes are not able to satisfy people where as it is time proven small sized entities have satisfied there people pretty well. I mean in terms of economy :lol:
 
Your gdp didn't help the majority of Indians who suffer from poverty, the money only goes to the elite not the common person in India.

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle


http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/27672-17-poverty-rate-pakistan-world-bank.html

You love to throw up numbers...but you dont want to go below hose numbers.....

Read this for Pakistan:

The proportion of the population living below the national poverty line decreased from 34% in 2000/01 to 22% in 2005/06.1 However, the global economic crisis (including 2008 increases in food and fuel prices) has adversely affected poverty levels.DFID’s direct financial support for the Government of Pakistan’s (GoP) budget has helped increase the government’s overall spending on poverty reduction by 90% during 2005-2008. The GoP’s Benazir Income Support Programme launched in September 2008 has helped 1.9 million families so far receive income support payments (equivalent to £10 per month). The programme aims to help 3.4 million households (12-14% of the population).2 DFID has provided £1.6 million of technical support to help channel money to those most in need.

Now we know ...how the poverty is being Eradicated...Just handing over money to people ....no work..nothing...Sit at Home and we will give you enough money for you to feed your family.....so the man sits at home ...no work..and he loves it...why should he work....the government is giving him money...

India government does not believe in giving Charity...We have NREGA...where people are given Job to earn Money...and the acquire some skills as they work..and India builds infrastructure....Thats why we are slow.....
 
I've read our previous posts you are neither Muslim or Kuwaiti...you are 100% Hindu INDIAN...Why are you not proud of being Bharati?

Change your flag to the tricolor bharati flag. Dont you have any bharati pride in yourself that you try to be Kuwaiti?

Indians in the past tried to be all kind of ethnicities, we caught an indian pretending to be South African just recently. Kuwaiti is a first in this forum.

He is not Bharti......... Bharti is a company in India. Neither he works for it. We understand you dont have any company of the same stature but why to get obsessed with it. Work hard

PS: How many times do we need to tell that it is Bhartiya....... Or should we allow Pakistani friends with the addition of an I with the Pak.
 
I've read our previous posts you are neither Muslim or Kuwaiti...you are 100% Hindu INDIAN...Why are you not proud of being Bharati?

Change your flag to the tricolor bharati flag. Dont you have any bharati pride in yourself that you try to be Kuwaiti?

Omar buddy; He is using the tricolor flag in other Indian forum, so

you can understood whats his purpose of hiding behind other flags

here.:pakistan::china:
 
Poverty has a lot to do with being competitive. For starters, how do you expect to be competitive when you are poor? Secondly, you need lots of people with disposable income to buy your product/service.

Its a cycle. Production is directly proportional to the demand in market. More is demand more is production. So as you can witness the growth rate of industries it is evident that there is market. Industries wont produce if they dont find the demand. Along with that Indians have a huge market in Europe and Americas. Where as there are many European and Indian brands which are coming to India to sell their products. And products are not sold without the purchasing power of the people.
 
You love to throw up numbers...but you dont want to go below hose numbers.....

Read this for Pakistan:

The proportion of the population living below the national poverty line decreased from 34% in 2000/01 to 22% in 2005/06.1 However, the global economic crisis (including 2008 increases in food and fuel prices) has adversely affected poverty levels.DFID’s direct financial support for the Government of Pakistan’s (GoP) budget has helped increase the government’s overall spending on poverty reduction by 90% during 2005-2008. The GoP’s Benazir Income Support Programme launched in September 2008 has helped 1.9 million families so far receive income support payments (equivalent to £10 per month). The programme aims to help 3.4 million households (12-14% of the population).2 DFID has provided £1.6 million of technical support to help channel money to those most in need.

Now we know ...how the poverty is being Eradicated...Just handing over money to people ....no work..nothing...Sit at Home and we will give you enough money for you to feed your family.....so the man sits at home ...no work..and he loves it...why should he work....the government is giving him money...

India government does not believe in giving Charity...We have NREGA...where people are given Job to earn Money...and the acquire some skills as they work..and India builds infrastructure....Thats why we are slow.....


Where is the link for that? And when was it written?

As of 2009, 17% of Pakistan's population live below the poverty and almost 50% of India's population live below the poverty line.

Here are recent articles on that from 2009:

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle

I have no doubt that the financial meltdown has not affected India as much as it has other world economies. Industry is looking up. And so are some other sectors. The overall scene holds hope. Yet, the answer to the question I am seeking is: Why poverty in India is so indelible that the hike in economy, 7 to 9 percent for the last seven-eight years, has had little impact on the living standards of roughly the lower two-thirds?


Our GDP has more than quadrupled since 1950, from 8.4 per cent to 39.1 per cent. But the needle of poverty line is stuck more or less at the same point where it has been for many years. It is not coming down. Again, the per capita income has increased from Rs. 5,708 to Rs. 25,494, more than four times, but without changing the fate of some 40 crore people who are worse than before because the prices have soared beyond proportion.

Economic surveys and budgets mean little when there is no dent in poverty. The big talk that India is being taken to Bharat is empty because not even half of the villages in the country have electricity and those which have do not get it for days. Water is a long haul. Doctors and teachers are becoming a rare sight in rural areas, although the claims made by the centre and the states about providing education and health facilities are increasing day by day.

Still more shocking is the report of a government panel, recommending that 50 percent of India’s population should be given below poverty-line cards, which entitle its holders cheap food grain. That means 50 percent of India’s population is still below the poverty line, that is, the earning is less than $2 (Rs 90) a day. But even these figures would not have been available if the Supreme Court had not appointed its own committee, headed by Food Commissioner N.C.Saxena, to find out the veracity of the government claims. The Planning Commission still places the line of poverty at 28.5 per cent. However, the recent Arjun Sen Gupta committee report says that 70 percent of the country’s population does not earn more than $2 a day.

Apart from the discrepancy, the ever-growing dilemma is where has the additional money earned or earmarked by the government gone? There are two possibilities. One is that the lower middle class has become the upper middle and the upper middle class has become the elite rich. But the fact is that the rich have become richer. The Forbes magazine, which regularly lists the top rich people in the world, is having more and more Indians among the first 15.

The other possibility is the reality. The amount which travels from the government in the shape of cash or food grains gets reduced to a trickle when it reaches the supposed beneficiaries.. There are too many middlemen and too long the transmission line which do not let the benefits flow freely and reach the targeted people. Former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi said that only 15 per cent of the allocations got to the people for whom they were meant.

The proliferation has gone up. No amount of effort, if exerted, has made little difference. The 15 percent appears to have got reduced to 12 per cent and the share of the poor is decreasing constantly. Take ration-card holders. They do not get food grain prescribed for them. The shopkeepers, part of a long chain of corrupt paraphernalia, do not give them full rations or say that they have not received them from the government. Rice, wheat or kerosene oil is diverted to the black market. This is purchased by the haves.
The entire system is creaking with corruption. The government machinery does not work until you grease it and it has to be done at every step. It is easy to say that those who offer graft are equally to blame. But their problem is that they cannot go ahead without bribing the horde of babus.


India’s remarkable economic growth has not alleviated rural poverty. Pic anonlineindia.com
There is need to appoint a high-power commission to find out where the extra money has gone. Thousands of crores of rupees have been allocated to the aam aadmi programmes. But everybody knows that this money has not reached the right quarters. After the completion of two Five-Year Plans, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru was pilloried in Parliament that despite the increase of 42 percent in national income, the living conditions of the poor had remained the same. He appointed a committee headed by a progressive P.C.Mahalanobis to find out the answer.

The committee found that the concentration of economic power in the private sector more than what could be justified as necessary on functional grounds. Yet, the committee wondered how far this is an inevitable part of process of economic development, how far it can be justified in terms of economy of scale and full utilization of scarce managerial and entrepreneurial resourcesand how far the growth which has taken place is unhealthy and anti-social in its consequences.

Even though the radicals found the report as the grist for their propaganda mills, they could not make a convincing case against the private sector because the report itself was not categorical in its observations. However, Ms. Indira Gandhi, when she came to power, used the report to put restrictions on the activities of the private sector. One can hardly expect anything from the Manmohan Singh government which is all for privatization. I am still seeking the answer where does the government money go?

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle
 
WB, PC at daggers drawn over ‘real’ poverty figures



Monday, June 01, 2009
By By Mehtab Haider

ISLAMABAD: The World Bank (WB) has validated a decline in poverty by 5.1 per cent in Pakistan, suggesting that compared to the earlier 22.3 per cent of the population living below the poverty line, the number stands revised downwards to 17.2 per cent of the total population, official documents available with The News reveal.

The Planning Commission high-ups, however, are in no mood to accept this positive development and are reluctant to include the latest figures in the upcoming Economic Survey 2008-09, which will be launched before the budget for 2009-10. Their doubts stem from the apparent incredulity of the figure showing a positive trend during the economic recession.

The World Bank has endorsed the poverty figure of 17.2 per cent and verified the correct use of methodology to calculate this figure by the subordinate institution of the Planning Commission’s Centre for Poverty Reduction and Social Policy Development (CPRSPD).

But apparently, this is not enough for the Planning Commission bosses, who appear extremely averse to owning up this latest poverty figure, the because PC’s own panel of economists, led by renowned economist Dr Hafeez A Pasha, had estimated poverty in the range of 37.5 per cent just a few months back.

“It is an awkward situation for the Planning Commission, as from top to bottom, everyone talked about poverty line figure in the range of 35 per cent to 40 per cent and now, how they can endorse another analysis done by its another subordinate institution — CPRSPD — showing almost half of poverty of 17.2 per cent, compared to the Panel of Economist number of 37.5 per cent,” the official sources said.

According to the documents available with The News, the WB validated the decline in poverty from 22.3 per cent in 2005-06 to 17.2 per cent on the basis of the data collected in 2007-8 under the Household Income Expenditure Survey (HIES). The latest survey found that poverty in the urban areas stood at 10.10 per cent and in the rural areas, it stood at 20.60 per cent.

Planning and Development Division Secretary Ashraf M Hayat told The News that nothing had been finalised in this regard. When asked whether the government would release the latest poverty figures in the upcoming Economic Survey 2008-09, he said the government would review the situation, which could take a month.

Planning Commission Chief Economist Dr Rashid Amjad, when contacted, told The News that the government was reviewing the latest poverty estimates and nothing had been decided in this regard so far.

But when the Planning Commission’s Member Social Sector Shaukat Hameed was contacted, he said he was not going to verify any information regarding validation of the WB about the latest poverty estimates. When informed about the presentation given by the WB experts on May 29, a copy of which is available with The News, he said they were going to brief Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Sardar Assef Ahmed Ali on Monday (today) and a decision would be taken on the latest poverty estimates.

But sources claimed that the government had almost decided not to release this latest poverty number, because it did not match the ground realities and was contrary to the existing situation. Those, who favour the release of the latest poverty figures, argue that the government should not change its goal post, as this would ruin all the past efforts to stick to the consistent methodology, endorsed both by the donors as well as Pakistan’s relevant economic ministries. The poverty is estimated by using the CPI-based inflation in Pakistan and poverty’s Guru Nanak, Khakwani, also endorsed this way of calculating poverty during the Musharraf-Shaukat Aziz regime.

WB, PC at daggers drawn over ‘real’ poverty figures
 
Where is the link for that? And when was it written?

As of 2009, 17% of Pakistan's population live below the poverty and almost 50% of India's population live below the poverty line.

Here are recent articles on that from 2009:

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle

I have no doubt that the financial meltdown has not affected India as much as it has other world economies. Industry is looking up. And so are some other sectors. The overall scene holds hope. Yet, the answer to the question I am seeking is: Why poverty in India is so indelible that the hike in economy, 7 to 9 percent for the last seven-eight years, has had little impact on the living standards of roughly the lower two-thirds?


Our GDP has more than quadrupled since 1950, from 8.4 per cent to 39.1 per cent. But the needle of poverty line is stuck more or less at the same point where it has been for many years. It is not coming down. Again, the per capita income has increased from Rs. 5,708 to Rs. 25,494, more than four times, but without changing the fate of some 40 crore people who are worse than before because the prices have soared beyond proportion.

Economic surveys and budgets mean little when there is no dent in poverty. The big talk that India is being taken to Bharat is empty because not even half of the villages in the country have electricity and those which have do not get it for days. Water is a long haul. Doctors and teachers are becoming a rare sight in rural areas, although the claims made by the centre and the states about providing education and health facilities are increasing day by day.

Still more shocking is the report of a government panel, recommending that 50 percent of India’s population should be given below poverty-line cards, which entitle its holders cheap food grain. That means 50 percent of India’s population is still below the poverty line, that is, the earning is less than $2 (Rs 90) a day. But even these figures would not have been available if the Supreme Court had not appointed its own committee, headed by Food Commissioner N.C.Saxena, to find out the veracity of the government claims. The Planning Commission still places the line of poverty at 28.5 per cent. However, the recent Arjun Sen Gupta committee report says that 70 percent of the country’s population does not earn more than $2 a day.

Apart from the discrepancy, the ever-growing dilemma is where has the additional money earned or earmarked by the government gone? There are two possibilities. One is that the lower middle class has become the upper middle and the upper middle class has become the elite rich. But the fact is that the rich have become richer. The Forbes magazine, which regularly lists the top rich people in the world, is having more and more Indians among the first 15.

The other possibility is the reality. The amount which travels from the government in the shape of cash or food grains gets reduced to a trickle when it reaches the supposed beneficiaries.. There are too many middlemen and too long the transmission line which do not let the benefits flow freely and reach the targeted people. Former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi said that only 15 per cent of the allocations got to the people for whom they were meant.

The proliferation has gone up. No amount of effort, if exerted, has made little difference. The 15 percent appears to have got reduced to 12 per cent and the share of the poor is decreasing constantly. Take ration-card holders. They do not get food grain prescribed for them. The shopkeepers, part of a long chain of corrupt paraphernalia, do not give them full rations or say that they have not received them from the government. Rice, wheat or kerosene oil is diverted to the black market. This is purchased by the haves.
The entire system is creaking with corruption. The government machinery does not work until you grease it and it has to be done at every step. It is easy to say that those who offer graft are equally to blame. But their problem is that they cannot go ahead without bribing the horde of babus.


India’s remarkable economic growth has not alleviated rural poverty. Pic anonlineindia.com
There is need to appoint a high-power commission to find out where the extra money has gone. Thousands of crores of rupees have been allocated to the aam aadmi programmes. But everybody knows that this money has not reached the right quarters. After the completion of two Five-Year Plans, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru was pilloried in Parliament that despite the increase of 42 percent in national income, the living conditions of the poor had remained the same. He appointed a committee headed by a progressive P.C.Mahalanobis to find out the answer.

The committee found that the concentration of economic power in the private sector more than what could be justified as necessary on functional grounds. Yet, the committee wondered how far this is an inevitable part of process of economic development, how far it can be justified in terms of economy of scale and full utilization of scarce managerial and entrepreneurial resourcesand how far the growth which has taken place is unhealthy and anti-social in its consequences.

Even though the radicals found the report as the grist for their propaganda mills, they could not make a convincing case against the private sector because the report itself was not categorical in its observations. However, Ms. Indira Gandhi, when she came to power, used the report to put restrictions on the activities of the private sector. One can hardly expect anything from the Manmohan Singh government which is all for privatization. I am still seeking the answer where does the government money go?

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle

Check my previous post and stick to the topic.
 
If u catch Pakistani pretending to Chinese. Your forum will be closed hahaha.. Now concentrate on topic. :toast_sign::toast_sign:

I thought you hindus didnt like Arabs and now you are pretending to be Arab in a Pakistan Defence Forum.

A real time low. Not surprised, a few weeks ago my friend caught an indian pretending to be Pakistani Muslim Sindhi to create tensions between Pakistanis behind the computer, when my friend asked him a question in Sindhi he never heard from him ever again.

Lucky for you that you bharatis know we Pakistanis cant speak fluent Arabic :rolleyes:
 
I thought you hindus didnt like Arabs and now you are pretending to be Arab in a Pakistan Defence Forum.

A real time low. Not surprised, a few weeks ago my friend caught an indian pretending to be Pakistani Muslim Sindhi to create tensions between Pakistanis behind the computer, when my friend asked him a question in Sindhi he never heard from him ever again.

You bharatis know we Pakistanis cant speak fluent Arabic :rolleyes:

No we love Muslims. Though we do have some fanatics who hate them as there are in Muslim community who hate every other religion. By the way we have about $100 billion trade with them. And if we would have hated them we would have never applied for OIC.

India-Arab trade to rise to $100 bn
:wave::wave:
 
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No we love Muslims. Though we do have some fanatics who hate them as there are in Muslim community who hate every other religion. By the way we have about $100 billion trade with them. And if we would have hated them we would have never applied for OIC.

India-Arab trade to rise to $100 bn
:wave::wave:

Glad to know, so you must love the Arab general Muhammad Bin Qasim as we do because we Pakistanis consider him a real true hero for bringing Islam to our region.


:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:
 
^ Thanks but we dont need any advice from an Indian. Almost half of India's population live below the poverty line. If we want advice to reduce poverty we'll ask developed nations, India is the last country to give advice about poverty reduction.

Economic surveys and budgets mean little when there is no dent in poverty. The big talk that India is being taken to Bharat is empty because not even half of the villages in the country have electricity and those which have do not get it for days. Water is a long haul. Doctors and teachers are becoming a rare sight in rural areas, although the claims made by the centre and the states about providing education and health facilities are increasing day by day.

Still more shocking is the report of a government panel, recommending that 50 percent of India’s population should be given below poverty-line cards, which entitle its holders cheap food grain. That means 50 percent of India’s population is still below the poverty line, that is, the earning is less than $2 (Rs 90) a day. But even these figures would not have been available if the Supreme Court had not appointed its own committee, headed by Food Commissioner N.C.Saxena, to find out the veracity of the government claims. The Planning Commission still places the line of poverty at 28.5 per cent. However, the recent Arjun Sen Gupta committee report says that 70 percent of the country’s population does not earn more than $2 a day.

Apart from the discrepancy, the ever-growing dilemma is where has the additional money earned or earmarked by the government gone? There are two possibilities. One is that the lower middle class has become the upper middle and the upper middle class has become the elite rich. But the fact is that the rich have become richer. The Forbes magazine, which regularly lists the top rich people in the world, is having more and more Indians among the first 15.

The other possibility is the reality. The amount which travels from the government in the shape of cash or food grains gets reduced to a trickle when it reaches the supposed beneficiaries.. There are too many middlemen and too long the transmission line which do not let the benefits flow freely and reach the targeted people. Former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi said that only 15 per cent of the allocations got to the people for whom they were meant.

http://sundaytimes.lk/090712/International/sundaytimesinternational-02.html
 
Glad to know, so you must love the Arab general Muhammad Bin Qasim as we do because we Pakistanis consider him a real true hero for bringing Islam to our region.


:pakistan::pakistan::pakistan::pakistan:

We hate everyone who brings war to this region. Or kills innocents. Whether it is a Hindu, Muslim, Christian or a Sikh.

Though we love Akbar beacuse he brought prosperity to the region,
We love Azeem Premji as a major contributor to the economy and employing 100,000 employees
We love Chandragupta Maurya for the golden period of India
India will never forget the might and sacrifices of its sikh soldiers.
Indians love christians for abolishing for some of the evil practices in society and the beautiful churches we got from them.
We love Arabs for we got to learn a lot from them in ancient times and they brought the Islam in the region..

But we do hate
Terrorists like Hafeez Saeed and Kasab
Discrimination by british
Arabs for the massacare in India.

We belive in peace....

Any ways stick to topic.
 
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^ Thanks but we dont need any advice from an Indian. Almost half of India's population live below the poverty line. If we want advice to reduce poverty we'll ask developed nations, India is the last country to give advice about poverty reduction.

Economic surveys and budgets mean little when there is no dent in poverty. The big talk that India is being taken to Bharat is empty because not even half of the villages in the country have electricity and those which have do not get it for days. Water is a long haul. Doctors and teachers are becoming a rare sight in rural areas, although the claims made by the centre and the states about providing education and health facilities are increasing day by day.

Still more shocking is the report of a government panel, recommending that 50 percent of India’s population should be given below poverty-line cards, which entitle its holders cheap food grain. That means 50 percent of India’s population is still below the poverty line, that is, the earning is less than $2 (Rs 90) a day. But even these figures would not have been available if the Supreme Court had not appointed its own committee, headed by Food Commissioner N.C.Saxena, to find out the veracity of the government claims. The Planning Commission still places the line of poverty at 28.5 per cent. However, the recent Arjun Sen Gupta committee report says that 70 percent of the country’s population does not earn more than $2 a day.

Apart from the discrepancy, the ever-growing dilemma is where has the additional money earned or earmarked by the government gone? There are two possibilities. One is that the lower middle class has become the upper middle and the upper middle class has become the elite rich. But the fact is that the rich have become richer. The Forbes magazine, which regularly lists the top rich people in the world, is having more and more Indians among the first 15.

The other possibility is the reality. The amount which travels from the government in the shape of cash or food grains gets reduced to a trickle when it reaches the supposed beneficiaries.. There are too many middlemen and too long the transmission line which do not let the benefits flow freely and reach the targeted people. Former Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi said that only 15 per cent of the allocations got to the people for whom they were meant.

Poverty grows in India’s economic miracle

As you dont want any Indian comments in your poverty why are you ranting here. And if you are so concerned open up the borders for the Indian poor and say... Guys you can come to prosperous Pakistan or better send some money for them. Ranting here would not do any good to them.
What is your objective. Is it to prove India is not competitive? Go Ahead but still India would be the preferred destination in comparison to Pakistan.....

Moral Of the Story:
Whatever you say about the poor in India India remains the preferred destination for investment in comparison to Pakistan and Pakistan economy or industries can now where compete with Indian industry in the current scenario. So take a chill pill :victory:
 
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