‘India might not be able to defend itself from Pakistani missiles’

[DavidSling]

We are already working with whoever we need to work with. So DONT worry about that.

That is not the point. Rather it is irrelevant.

There are plenty of idiots who do not consider Israel as a national security threat to Pakistan, in this forum as well.

When someone is working with your mortal enemy to undermine your national interests and security then alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear. But some of us are still acting naive. Pakistan and intelligence setup should have been active long time ago around Israel taking advantage of enemies she surround herself with. If Hiizbullah want to buy some of our toys, so be it, after all, its just a business transaction. Every action got equal and opposite reaction, that was once baba Newton very famously said.

Russia sell more weapons to India than Israel and yet all I can see here is Israel that and Israel this.
Aniwai, rather than considering everybody who sell weapons to India enemies, you should take care for ur own and improve relation with countries and acquire technologies for both civilian and military purposes.
As for Israel missile shield, Tamuz missile which is being used in Iron Dome used to cost around 20-40k USD, with multiple missiles produced, the price went down (tho the exact number isn't published) and it's only one layer of defense out of multiple (Barak 8, Patriot, David Sling , Arrow 2, Arrow 3) to defend against missiles in various ranges (from very short to very long ballistic missiles), drones, aircrafts,helicopters and more and don't forget the lasers (Iron Beam)
You can check this thread for more information
https://defence.pk/threads/israel-defense-forces-current-and-future-interceptors.408299/
with Iron Dome now shooting down targets from navy ships, and david sling is being intergrating into the army, and ofcourse various new updates and versions being produced to Arrow family, intercepting more than few grad rockets is surely the aim of the operation

 

[Samrat420]

Neither of the country is prepared enough to defend against missiles. Yes, counter measures are in place but we lack the technology required for it to be in place effectively at present.
Such news are not anything new and should not be taken very seriously.

I agree with the first part of your post, but disagree with the second part.

 

[ZAC1]

if india acquire or developes 100% effective ABM system still its useless against pakistan
1.first conventional muscles will be used resulting 60 % destruction of installtions from both sides causing nothing their to defend from cruise n ballistic missiles

 

[randomradio]

This is the most important part of the article, and it does make sense......

The flight time is not short. At least not short enough for BMD.

The reaction time of the S-400 is 10 seconds. The reaction time of a S-500 will be less than 5 seconds. Indian BMD is unknown. So even a 2 min window is enough. A missile doing mach 6 will still be more than 200Km away within a 2 min window. And ABMs will achieve their highest speeds in less than 10 seconds.

And all of this mainly applies for border towns and cities, not metros.

Also the closer the target is, the slower is the missile. So cities like Bangalore and Chennai are under greater threat because they have to deal with more sophisticated ballistic missiles.

 

[PDF]

I agree with the first part of your post, but disagree with the second part.

Opinions can differ. Whatever it may seem, any missile exchange can and will be result the destruction of both nations. Economically, Military, and in other ways. That being said, nuclear war is very very unlikely.

 

[Samrat420]

This time, I disagree with the first part of your post, and agree with the second. “Any" nuclear exchange will not necessarily result in the utter destruction of both nations. People very commonly make the mistake of treating nukes as some kind of cataclysmic doomsday weapon. The common perception is that as soon as the first nuke hits, everything's lost.. Everyone's gonna die.. That's not factually correct. The extent of damage depends upon the number and the yields of the nukes that are used, the size and population of the target, and the countermeasures that are employed against the missiles.. 1 nuclear explosion over small nations like Vatican city, Nauru, Kiribati, tuvalu, etc might mean their total destruction, but that won't be the case with large ( rather huge ) countries like India or Pakistan. MAD works in case of rivals where both have the capability to scorch each and every population center of each other. US and erstwhile USSR did possess that capability. India and Pakistan don't. Yet.

 

[Saffron Bandit]

Why are we forgetting the cruise missiles, this AAD is built to counter ballistic missiles.
None in my knowledge they have in pipeline for cruise missiles.

 

[DavidSling]

Why are we forgetting the cruise missiles, this AAD is built to counter ballistic missiles.
None in my knowledge they have in pipeline for cruise missiles.

Barak 8 (the Hebrew word for Lightning) also known as LR-SAM[12][13] is an Indian-Israelisurface-to-air missile (SAM), designed to defend against any type of airborne threat including aircraft, helicopters, anti-ship missiles, and UAVs as well as cruise missiles and combat jets

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Barak 8 (the Hebrew word for Lightning) also known as LR-SAM[12][13] is an Indian-Israelisurface-to-air missile (SAM), designed to defend against any type of airborne threat including aircraft, helicopters, anti-ship missiles, and UAVs as well as cruise missiles and combat jets

Your abm systems have only been tested against basic soviet missiles of 1940s/50s era or homemade glorified Hamas firecrackers. Even then some of them still managed to get through. Your abm systems and other frontline weapons have not been tested against a proper competent military force with sound weapons and determination to fight. So the jury is still out on them.

 

[Basel]

Indeed reaction time does play a factor.
However ballistic systems are not cruise missile systems, they take their time. Land based ballistic missiles have to reach an apogee and do not follow noe flight like cruise missiles, which exposes it to detection systems be it radars or satellites.
The US SBIRS are on place to detect such a preemptive strike from its adversaries. It detects the heat signatures coming from ballistic projectiles in the form of radiation from the warhead or from the high intensity solid fueled rocket engine. Such systems will only evolve in the coming years and don't be surprised if India launches its own SBIRS.
As for how many ABMs are needed to knock down a flurry from pakistan? A lot, but I honestly believe producing ABMs are a lot cheaper than producing IRBMs and/or ICBMs. So you can expect a 1 to 5-10 ratio easily. So much for your volley. In the furture we don't know how many ballistic missiles we will block but Pakistan wont block anything with no ABM, so you can be assured that in any exchange that we just might survive but Pak won't survive in any sort of exchange.
As for MARVs and MIRVs, there have been a steady development of ABMs that engage such missiles high above the atmosphere even during launch phase. Marvs are still limited to how much they can maneuver and the type of manuever it employs(pre-programmed or otherwise) when they are at a certain height and when they are reacquiring the target to get the desired CEP and then there are proximity warheads which blast shotgun like pellets and don't have to get as close to the invader as kinetic kill vehicles do, to counter these marvs as well as ABMs with gimballed tvc. Yes MARVs and MIRVs do provide a challenge but as ABM systems evolve we will see it being less of a factor.
We will never attack you, we never have and we never will, however as you lot know we do end them.
Don't worry these systems are still only budding, and relax we are not going to war tomorrow, hence giving us ample time to develop our defensive and offensive abilities.

Mr. Einstein how about MIRV BMs & HGVs?? even US think those can defeat there ABM system if used wisely.

There are always counter measure developed for issues / problems, just like SAMS were developed to handle threats of fighter jets but then fighter jets got better with new tech and came up with SEAD/DEAD to tackle SAMS, same will happen with ABM in future.

 

[Saffron Bandit]

Assuming you know how air defense work, how does it react to extremely low flying object with minimal radar cross section?

I am presuming, it must be effective "if" the low flying object is not flying very low, therefore my assumption is the claim for cruise missiles is valid but conditional. Valid cos of its achievable speed, conditional cos it might never see it coming.

 

[Basel]

India is just pushing Pakistan to directly jump into developing HGV platform which is not a big problem to develop in near future, because our best friend is working on it very successfully and they have huge investment at stake in Pakistan.

 

[Saffron Bandit]

Soon would see Little Chinas around as economic and manufacturing zones, its going to be more to just friendly snuggling.

 

[Levina]

Talking about India’s candidature for the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) Mr Topychkanov said the world will be cautious about India.

Now this is what Topychkanov had to say for misquoting him

https://twitter.com/x/status/733391023154601984

 

[randomradio]

Your abm systems have only been tested against basic soviet missiles of 1940s/50s era or homemade glorified Hamas firecrackers. Even then some of them still managed to get through. Your abm systems and other frontline weapons have not been tested against a proper competent military force with sound weapons and determination to fight. So the jury is still out on them.

The Barak has been tested successfully against Brahmos. Not to mention, Barak-1 can easily stop Harpoon.