India Launches Global Search for Single-Engine Fighter Jets

[#hydra#]

This competition is only to please US govtment. And you can decide by urself who will be the winner.

 

[sathya]

If Sweeden proposal is inadequate in TOT, what else can India bargain for ?

Networking? Archer ?

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

It seems that IAF is on its way to buy every single type of fighter aircraft ever built on planet earth. I wonder why so much military equipment. This is essentially madness. A plan madness. They are going to conquer the whole world.

It seems idiotic. But truth be told we are retiring Mig 21, Mig 27. They are already out of their lifespan. If we want to have 45 squadrons, we need extra numbers than 200 Tejas. But I would have preferred 126 Rafales though.

 

[Indrajit]

It seems idiotic. But truth be told we are retiring Mig 21, Mig 27. They are already out of their lifespan. If we want to have 45 squadrons, we need extra numbers than 200 Tejas. But I would have preferred 126 Rafales though.

Can't afford a huge number of Rafales, they are ridiculously costly. This was something that should have been done during the MMRCA contract, who in his or her right mind would have put in single engined & twin engined planes in the same competition & then judge only by capability without factoring in cost? We did, that didn't work, so now we need a new plan. Which this is.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Can't afford a huge number of Rafales, they are ridiculously costly. This was somethuing that should have been done during the MMRCA contract, who in his or her right mind would have put in single engined & twin engined planes in the same competition & then judge only by capability without factoring in cost? We did, that didn't work, so now we need a new plan. Which this is.

We are not going to pay for 126 Rafales in single tranche are we? It would have to be shelled over a period of 8-10 years. With 50% offsets to India actual outgo of dollars might have been 15B over a period of 10 years where our economy too would have developed much. That was feasable. The only hiccup was Ambani won over Dassault with suitcases to build Rafales with their company. And it resulted in scrapping of MMRCA and not costs alone.

 

[Indrajit]

We are not going to pay for 126 Rafales in single tranche are we? It would have to be shelled over a period of 8-10 years. With 50% offsets to India actual outgo of dollars might have been 15B over a period of 10 years where our economy too would have developed much. That was feasable. The only hiccup was Ambani won over Dassault with suitcases to build Rafales with their company. And it resulted in scrapping of MMRCA and not costs alone.

Offsets help in getting orders to Indian companies but doesn't reduce the cost involved & probably increase it. Even the present price is extraordinarily high which is why negotiations dragged out for 2 years after the PM decided. $25 billion would have left the rest of the air force cupboard bare for the foreseeable future. Simply not possible unless the IAF decided that it could do with a lot fewer aircrafts..

 

[SQ8]

So India doing what it should have done in 2003. Der aye, durust aye.

Scrap the LCA to be a technology demonstator only- focus on a AMCA in 2030

Get the Gripen or F-16IN to replace the Mig-23s and 27s

 

[Chanakyaa]

So India doing what it should have done in 2003. Der aye, durust aye.

Scrap the LCA to be a technology demonstator only- focus on a AMCA in 2030

Get the Gripen or F-16IN to replace the Mig-23s and 27s

Excuse me to .... Burst the Bubble :

1. LCA is the "Pet Project" of BJP Govt. So, AMCA might be Scrapped ( If they Agree on Larger FGFA Numbers / F 35 ) but LCA will be there in HUGE Numbers in IAF.

2. LCA is NOT Just an Aircraft, its an ECO SYSTEM of AEROSPACE in India.

3. India Navy is STRONGLY Behind the project. Infact Now LCA Navy has a Dedicated Team of Naval Experts ( Different from the IAF )

4. To Make the Numbers , India needs :

1. Rafale
2. LCA
3. Single Engine Fighter in EQUAL Numbers as LCA


Parrikar confirmed that nearly 100 Tejas MK-1A will be ordered by Indian Air Force and in addition to 20 Tejas MK-1 orders for which were placed earlier . First, Squadron of LCA-Tejas will be ready by the end of August or early September with four aircraft (SP-1 to SP-4) and first two aircraft already have been handed over to Indian Air force .

Source : http://idrw.org/parrikar-takes-credit-development-tejas-mk-1a/

The Pros and Cons of LCA are well explained by the DM himself :

‘LCA has limitations’

However, the LCA being a single-engine, light-weight fighter, it has its limitations, which is why another twin-engine fighter would be needed other than the Rafale, Mr. Parrikar stated.


“Functionally, the LCA is better than many other foreign fighters. It reacts very smoothly, fly-by-wire, its turn radius is very good, manoeuvrability is very good but it has limitation in the sense that it is a light combatant… It cannot go into deep penetration… It is mostly good for dogfights in your own sky or to degrade the opponent Army’s command posts,” Mr. Parrikar observed and added that “we need more twin-engine fighters for deep penetration.”

Thats what Parikker has already Told and Mod is Working on. The projected requirement for IAF is 200 single-seat fighters and 20 twin-seat trainers, while the IN expects to operate 40 single-seat fighters.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Offsets help in getting orders to Indian companies but doesn't reduce the cost involved & probably increase it. Even the present price is extraordinarily high which is why negotiations dragged out for 2 years after the PM decided. $25 billion would have left the rest of the air force cupboard bare for the foreseeable future. Simply not possible unless the IAF decided that it could do with a lot fewer aircrafts..

And buying of a new platform with required infrastructure wont cost the IAF money? We should concentrate on LCA mk2 and keep buying Rafale.

@PARIKRAMA Is there any negotiations on orders more than 36 Rafales?

 

[bharatiy]

how about JF-17 a good machine for surgical strikes too

I read some where that in early 2000 sukhoi offers single engine plane S55 for IAF . But it is dropped. Why not reconsider that offer. Senior members Please give more info

 

[AMCA]

If that is what India is looking for

If thats all your product specifications and our staff requirements meet

 

[aftab_s81]

It seems idiotic. But truth be told we are retiring Mig 21, Mig 27. They are already out of their lifespan. If we want to have 45 squadrons, we need extra numbers than 200 Tejas. But I would have preferred 126 Rafales though.

45 squadrons? As per my knowledge, that is for two front war with Pakistan as well as China, Two front war is a BLUFF. China will never fight a war for Pakistan. China has good enough relations with India, will never fight a war of its own as well. Jingoism aside, while border skirmishes will happen, Pakistan knows there can not be a full fledged war with India, it existential. We (Pak/India) are spending way too much money on so called defense, its NOT defense, its offense. IAF is just adding fuel to already uncontrolled fire.

 

[Tshering22]

DM's words cannot be taken at face value.

He also said that India did not have money before closing the RAFALE deal.

F-16 deal is very much alive.

Personally I am against this jet.

It is a technology of a bygone era and has its limitations.

We don't need it.

There are better partners to cooperate than this.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Personally I am against this jet.

It is a technology of a bygone era and has its limitations.

We don't need it.

There are better partners to cooperate than this.

how are you bro good to see you

but F16 Blk 70/72 stll has the best engine power to wieght ratio service record and radar and EW+ECM+Jammaer+ avionics suits and countermasures and weapons pakage than any other fighter jet exept F22 in the world today and is the most successfull fighter platform today

and its radar and avionisks and weapons package is so advanced that it will remain cuutting edge in this sector for at least two decades if not more

 

[Tshering22]

how are you bro good to see you

but F16 Blk 70/72 stll has the best engine power to wieght ratio service record and radar and EW+ECM+Jammaer+ avionics suits and countermasures and weapons pakage than any other fighter jet exept F22 in the world today and is the most successfull fighter platform today

It is simply a juiced up version that has no future.

The production lines of F-16 are closing and that's what is being sold to us.

Do you really think Lockheed Martin would just hand over its core technologies that too, of its most successful jet to anyone, let alone us?

Sure we may have done a few deals but let's face it: it is all business and when it comes to a conflict, having our ballsacs in the hands of US is the last thing you'd want.

Gripen needs to be roped in to integrate its technologies with Tejas.

IAF is in a mess. They are behaving like teenagers on hormonal overdrive.