India, Israel to jointly develop medium range missiles

[Contrarian]

India, Israel to jointly develop medium range missiles

New Delhi, July. 12 (PTI): India will jointly develop and co-produce a new generation of medium range surface-to-air missiles with Israel to secure the country's strategic assests from growing threats posed by aerial attacks and the proliferation of missiles in the region.

The setting up of a joint venture for producing the missiles at an estimated cost of Rs 10,000 crore (2.5 billion dollars) was cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security, which met here today under the chairmanship of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

According to highly placed defence sources, the new generation missile with the capability of hitting aerial targets 70 km away would be developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation, Indian Air Force and Israel Aerospace Industries. The DRDO will be the "prime contractor" for the project, which will have an indegenious component of Rs 2,300 crore. The new generation missile will replace the IAF's ageing Russian-made Pechora missiles.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200707121962.htm

 

[Contrarian]

I thought the new 70 km range missile was being developed for the IN, ie the Barak NG,

Now where did this crop up? Is another version being developed for the IAF?
And could some one please give a brief history of pechora systems that IAF operates, and when was it inducted intitally?

 

[Contrarian]

One more question, does India have the SPYDER MR(Medium range) or SR(short range) system?

 

[joey]

Well Malay here let me explain,

The Barak 2 JV was known to us for long, but if you recall IAI got involved in some bribery scam and investigation was on and as per MOD rules we were in dark about the project.

However this years MOD report mentions that clearly,

Long Range Surface-to-Air Missile
(LRSAM): It is joint development
programme of DRDO, Indian Navy and IAI,
Israel. It has a range of 70 km using
dual pulse rocket motor and active
radar seeker in terminal phase and
inertial/ mid-course update for
guidance.

Now, Recently there has been a press release of the same in the High speed transportation Seminar.

Now PRasun Sengupta a famous Plagiraiser and also knwon for creating over the world story (Like tha Lr-SAAM developement with brazil is a created story by him) , wrote a Story in Force magazine about Barak Ng project and Barak ER project when there is nothing like Barak ER.

Vivek another moron, Copied that report and placed it in Defence News through ANI.

The other media followed, in reality this is the Barak Ng SAM and nothing else, not the other media does not mentioend the SAM is for which Service.

If the sum of 2300 crores of Indian Product is true it is great as well, The radars are going to be Israeli with some Indian developements in it as well with full TOT which will cost over 70 to 80% of the JV. Rest will be that of the missile. IMHO.

 

[Contrarian]

Okay, but this is reported by Hindu mate. They dont publish crap. And this report says clearly that there is a missile going to be developed, or a version of barak, whatever for IAF.

And also, the SPYDER system that we bought, is it with the IA or IAF and which one is it, ie the MR version or the SR version?

 

[joey]

Yes IAF if use will use Barak Navy's Land version. So ultimately it is only one SAM which is being developed.

 

[ARSENAL6]

Isn't the Akash Missle suposed to be it ?

 

[joey]

Akash's Range is 30 kms, bateeries of the same have been ordered. Remember Akash is Ramjet powered.

Barak 2's kill envelope is 70 kms is rocket motor powered means, Its range will be more than its kill envelope.

 

[BATMAN]

The DRDO will be the "prime contractor" for the project, which will have an indegenious component of Rs 2,300 crore.

Does this indicate the finace made available by Indian govt.?
This constitute 20% of total amount 10'000. Shall we assume its not 50-50 partnership.

 

[joey]

But look at the hypocricy, 2.5 billion dollars for a Jv while not even 20 million dollar budget for a home grown product, the Arjun engines r&d has started with a meagre 40 crores, even Indian pvt companies has withdrawn from the project saying the budget is unrealistic.

I'm sure the budget is lesser than mentioned though.

 

[joey]

Does this indicate the finace made available by Indian govt.?
This constitute 20% of total amount 10'000. Shall we assume its not 50-50 partnership.

50:50 partnetship has nothing to do with the money involved in the project, The Naval radars will be Israeli, which is a chunk of the projects money yet will be produced in India and some of programms of such will be done in India.

2300 crores if assuming the budget of 10000 crores (which looks unrealistic to me being too much) will be the stuff on the missile, means far more Indian component or products inside, while the radar will be principally Israeli but will be produced and modified for India and India will get full TOT for the same including a 50% offset clause for the whole deal.

 

[Contrarian]

There is another article in TOI as well, it says the range is 150 km's.

Now Joey, answer these questions for me:

1. Which SPYDER system did we damn order, the MR or the SR?

2. If akash's range is 20-30 km's then why the hell did we order Barak, they fall roughly in the same category. And if Akash is ramjet powered, then it should have a much higher range.

3. Barak land version is supposed to have 70 km's range, dont we need a longer ranged SAM as well, is the S-300PMU2 system for that purpose?