India/Islam: Muslims lag behind then other minorities in India

[samrat]

The Indian muslim has got 1/3 reservation of everything due to the partition of the country. THey can live in India, but if they want reservation they can go to Pak where they have 100% reservation.

A politically incorrect statement that I agree with, but I would like to not include South Indian Muslims (except Hyderabadis) from this as they never asked for partition.

@reservation: Govt has already cut many job, There are very few govt job left. Reservation in govt job is nothing compare to private sector job (In terms of quality and quantity). Poor Muslims, they are still fighting for reservation, where hindus don't need reservation.

I remember some groups wants the reservation to extent to private sector also.

 

[Hindustani]

Let me first start off by saying that I am not denying any rifts among religious and caste related communities. We have our share of problems.. but let's take a look at those "oppressed Muslims" who are highly respected across India.

Most of you guys will recognize them. They're pretty much worshiped across India.

Those who have led or are leading India one way or another.

 

[Hindustani]

Some of the richest men not only in India but across the world.

Saluted for their services of defending our Motherland.

SRINAGAR: Ever since Jammu & Kashmir became part of India, there has never been a Kashmiri Muslim general in the Army. This has now been remedied.

With the elevation of Brigadier Mohammad Amin Naik to the post of Major General, Kashmiris, who have historically felt alienated from the mainstream, would now have one grievance less.

Commissioned into the Corps of Engineers on December 22, 1974, from the Indian Military Academy, Major General Naik was decorated with the Sena Medal for exemplary service in 1993. But that's not the only metal glistening on the mantle: With equal pride is displayed the bronze he won for India at the 1982 Asiad for coxless-4 — a rowing event.

Add to this, eight golds, one silver and a bronze at national championships, apart from two golds, one silver and a bronze in a series of prestigious international rowing meets, you have the picture of a winner all the way

Air Chief Marshal Idris Hassan Latif was appointed as the Chief of Air Staff on the retirement of Air Chief Marshal H. Moolgavkar on 31 August 1978. Latif was born on 09 June 1923 at Hyderabad, Deccan. Educated at the Nizam's College, Hyderabad, Latif was the son of the Chief Engineer of the Hyderabad state, Mr. Hasan Latif.

Idris Latif joined the Royal Indian Air Force in 1941 at the age of 18 and was commissioned in 1942. On completion of his training at Ambala, he was posted to the No.2 Coastal Defence Flight in Karachi, where he flew vintage biplane aircrafts like the Wapiti, Audaxes and Harts, on Anti-Submarine flights over the Arabian Sea.

During 1943-44, he was one of the few Indian pilots to be seconded to the Royal Air Force in the United Kingdom. There he underwent training on more contemporary aircraft like the Hurricane and Spitfire, with the Operational squadrons of the RAF. He returned to India in 1944 and took part in the Burma campaign, flying the Hawker Hurricane for No.3 Squadron. This involved flying interdiction sorties against ground targets.

After the campaign, Latif was posted to Madras, but soon he joined No.9 Squadron in Burma, again flying the Hawker Hurricane. Under the command of Sqn. Ldr. Asghar Khan, he was good friends with both his CO and another flamboyant pilot, Flt. Lt. Noor Khan. Both the pilots went on to become Chiefs of Air Staff of the Pakistan Air Force.

When Partition bought with it the division of the armed forces, Latif as a Muslim officer was faced with the choice of joining both India or Pakistan, but there was no making up of minds for him. He was very clear that his future lay with India. Even though both Asghar as well as Noor Khan called him up to persuade Latif to join them in the fledgling Pakistan Air Force, Latif made it clear that for him, religion and country were not interlinked. It was no surprise that Latif made his way to become the first Muslim Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force.

After the war, Latif on, promotion to the Squadron Leader, became the Commanding Officer of No.4 Oorials, flying the Hawker Tempest. He led the first fly past over New Delhi, after India turned a republic in 1950. Afterwards Latif had the honour of being nominated to Indonesia along with two other officers to help induct Vampire fighters into the newly-born Indonesian Air Force. After returning from this assignment, Latif attended the Defence Services Staff College at Wellington.

In 1961, Latif was sent to the United States of America as the Air Attaché to the Indian Ambassador there. Latif also held the dual responsibility of Air Attaché to the Indian High Commissioner's Office in Canada. Even though international assignments as Air Attaché are limited to a duration of three years, Air Marshal Arjan Singh asked Latif to continue as Air Attaché for a second tenure.

Latif returned from the USA in 1965, just as war clouds were brewing in the Indian subcontinent. Latif was posted to Eastern Air Command as the Air Defence Controller and later was the Senior Air Staff Officer. Soon after in 1966, Latif took over as Station Commander Lohegaon Airbase at Pune. Lohegaon had the unique distinction of having, fighters, bombers, four-engined transport aircraft and WW2 Liberator aircraft, all of which Latif flew from time to time. After Air Chief Marshal P.C. Lal became CAS, Latif moved to Air HQ in the newly created post of Assistant Chief of Air Staff (Plans) in the rank of Air Vice Marshal, and in this capacity he carried out the onerous tasks of making first line assessment of frontline combat squadrons and the modernisation plans of the air force. For his role, Latif received the PVSM in 1971.

During the 1971 War, Latif was still the ACAS (Plans). He was keenly involved in flying to the frontline squadrons and getting first hand information on the progress of the war and the requirements of the units if any. Latif was in the Eastern Sector at Shillong when the surrender in East Pakistan took place. In 1974, Latif became an Air Marshal and held the appointment of Air Officer In-Charge of Administration at Air HQ. He became AOC-in-C Central Air Command afterwards. One of the memorable landmarks of this tenure was the Air Force relief operations under his stewardship during the Patna floods in 1975. Under his guidance, the helicopter pilots flew as many as 20 sorties per day to carry out humanitarian tasks. After a short while, he took over Maintenance Command. Latif then joined Air HQ as the Vice Chief of Air Staff, which post he held till 1978, when he took over as Chief of Air Staff of the Indian Air Force.

As the first Muslim Chief of Air Staff of the IAF, Latif was involved fully in the re-equipment and modernisation plans of the air force. He convinced the government to approve the procurement of the Jaguar strike aircraft, a proposal which was lying dormant for over 8 years. He also held negotiations with the Russians and saw the induction of the MiG-23 and later, the MiG-25 aircraft into the IAF. Flying has always been a passion to Latif, and throughout his tenure, he never lost an opportunity to fly. In fact right up to the end of his career in the Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Latif was interested in flying and more flying. One of the last acts before retirement was to fly in the trisonic MiG-25, which was then just assembled from a semi-knocked down condition by the Air Force personnel.

Latif retired in 1981, after which he held the gubernatorial posts of Governor of Maharastra and Indian Ambassador to France. On completion of the tenure, he left France in 1988 and has settled back in his home place in Hyderabad.

At 0800 hours on 10 September 1965 Pakistan forces launched an attack with a regiment of Patton tanks on a vital area ahead of village Cheema on the Bhikkiwind road in the Khem Karam Sector. Intense artillery shelling preceded the attack. The enemy tanks penetrated the forward position by 0900 hours. Realising the grave situation, Company Quarter Master Havildar Abdul Hamid who was commander of an RCL gun detachment moved out to a flanking position with his gun mounted on a jeep, under intense enemy shelling and tank fire. Taking an advantageous position, he knocked out the leading enemy tank and then swiftly changing his position, he sent another tank up in flames. By this time the enemy tanks in the area spotted him and brought his jeep under concentrated machine-gun and high explosive fire. Undeterred, Company Quarter Master Havildar Abdul Hamid kept on firing on yet another enemy tank with his recoilless gun. While doing so, he was mortally wounded by an enemy high explosive shell.

Havildar Abdul Hamid’s brave action inspired his comrades to put up a gallant fight and to beat back the heavy tank assault by the enemy. His complete disregard for his personal safety during the operation and his sustained acts of bravery in the face of constant enemy fire were a shining example not only to his unit but also to the whole division and were in the highest traditions of the Indian Army.
And was posthumously awarded India's highest military decoration, the Param Vir Chakra, for knocking-out seven pakistani tanks with a recoilless gun during the Battle of Asal Uttar in 1965.

Brigadier Mohammed Usman was the Commander of the 50 Independent Para Brigade, which was raised in 1945. During the 1947-48 Jammu & Kashmir invasion by Pakistani-backed terrorists, the enemy's build up in the southern sector was heavy and fast. This area is such that the enemy could easily ingress more troops/raiders at will, while it was comparatively more difficult for India. The heaviest battles took place in and around Naushera, Poonch and Rajouri. Brigadier Usman was given a difficult task of keeping the Line of Control, Akhnur-Beripattan-Jhangar-Naushera, secure. A battle-duty totally defensive in nature on a long axis like this is a nightmare for any commander. Worse, this border was open, porous and full of an extremely aggressive & cruel enemy, which consisted of a deadly combination of the regular Pakistan Army units and the raiders in civilian clothing. Brigadier Usman, thus, was fighting against great odds. He was, however, a fighter to the core and considered every action a matter of personal honour and took every difficult task as a personal challenge. An inspiring leader and a tremendous motivator of men, he always achieved success beyond the call of duty from his troops. He was also innovative and benevolent. He supported 158 orphan children found abandoned and famished in Naushera from his meager rations.

Father of India's nuclear program

I can honestly go on and on.. here are some oppressed Muslims of India. We undoubtedly have tremendous work that needs to be done regarding religious issues between communities. However I am proud to be part of a multi ethnic, religious, linguistic country if you will. It's also funny how rich and famous pakistan Muslims come crawling to India.. (Adnan Sami, Veena Malik, Ali Zafar, Rahat Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan etc)

Keep weeping

 

[Fasih Khan]

India/Islam: Muslims lag behind other minorities in India according to a Report



NEW YORK, 18 Rabi al-Thani/11 March (IINA)-The Indian Muslims, who have suffered decades of social and economic neglect, are complaining of unfulfilled politicians’ promises of benefits, including quotas in government jobs, like those available for low-caste Hindus, according to a US media report. “We are way behind them,” Murtaza Mansuri, who repairs rickshaws for a living, told New York Times on Saturday.

“Reservation is essential for Muslims. If we don’t get education, we will remain backward, while others move forward and forward,” he was quoted as saying in the course of a dispatch published Saturday on the deteriorating situation of long-suffering Muslims in India. Living for decades close to the Dalits, the low-caste Hindus once known as untouchables, Mansuri said the Hindus were getting government jobs, or slots in public universities, opportunities that have meant stable salaries and nicer homes.

Leaving Muslims behind, the affirmative action quota for low-caste Hindus, a policy known in India as reservation, made life harder for the religious minority, the Times said.

In education, employment and economic status, Muslims felt under persistent discrimination in a Hindu-majority nation. Muslims are also more likely to live in villages without schools or medical facilities, a landmark government report found in 2006, and less likely to qualify for bank loans, the report said.

“We also fought against the British for Indian independence,” said Hafiz Aftab, president of the All-India Muttahida Mahaz, an organization that has led protests on behalf of Muslim preferences. “We lost so many of our brightest people. But after freedom, the government didn’t make any efforts to uplift Muslims,” he was quoted as saying.

Feeling betrayed by politicians, Muslim voters in India’s most populous state of Uttar Pradesh dealt a heavy a blow last week to the country’s ruling Congress Party, the regional Samajwadi Party to meet their aspirations for a better life, the Times said.
“These Scheduled Castes were the most deprived people socially and economically in Uttar Pradesh,” said Aftab in an interview before the state elections. “Now they are the ruling class. This is the result of 64 years of reservation.”

As the reservation policies were codified in the Indian constitution, analysts decried the politicians’ use of the Scheduled Castes to carve out new vote banks. “Our Constitution says we should not provide reservation on the grounds of religion,” said Mufti Julfiquar Ali, a Muslim leader in Uttar Pradesh. “But basically, reservation was given on the grounds of religion. A Muslim washerman got no reservation, but a Hindu washerman got one. Hindu carpenters will get reservation, but the Muslim carpenter will not.”

There are some 140 million Muslims in India and they have long complained of being discriminated against in all walks of life, the newspaper said. Muslims complain of decades of social and economic neglect and oppression.

Official figures reveal Muslims log lower educational levels and higher unemployment rates than the Hindu majority and other minorities like Christians and Sikhs. They account for less than seven percent of public service employees, only five percent of railways workers, around four percent of banking employees and there are only 29,000 Muslims in India’s 1.3 million-strong military.A 2006 report, known as the Sachar Committee report, looked into the socio-economic and educational backwardness of Muslims in the country and suggested various remedial measures. The recommendations included setting up educational facilities, modernization of madrassas, creation of job opportunities and steps to increase the community’s representation in public services.

Only a complete scraping of the caste system would bring democracy to India Muslims, said Yogendra Yadav, a leading political scientist in New Delhi. “In India, the deepening of democracy will not happen by erasing all caste-community boundaries,” he was quoted as saying.

“I see it as the next stage of social justice in India.” But Badruddin, an older Muslim man who uses one name, wanted the benefit to provide better future for Muslims with secured government jobs that provided stability, according to the Times. “The Scheduled Castes are better off than we are because they are in government jobs,” he said. “Once you have a government job, you will be uplifted.”
India/Islam: Muslims lag behind other minorities in India according to a Report

Thanksfully, It's not by the ''Green Media''

 

[SamBahadur]

inspite of giving so much of opportunities like all other minorities in India still they are lagging behind means whose mistake is that????Them or Govt ........................ but look at the Sikhs they are in every field in India without them the whole India is incomplete i.e, why we call them Singh is King

 

[kingkobra]

inspite of giving so much of opportunities like all other minorities in India still they are lagging behind means whose mistake is that????Them or Govt ........................ but look at the Sikhs they are in every field in India without them the whole India is incomplete i.e, why we call them Singh is King

muslims are infact the biggest minority in india..jains,sikhs,parsis,budhists are the smallest minorities in india and they are doing better than both hindus and muslims..

 

[SamBahadur]

Look at how the hindus oppress the Muslim minority in their country. There should be a partition so Muslims in india can have their own country.

First make Tibet a separate country then we can make a separate muslim country

 

[gilli]

This is clearly evidence that secularism in India does not exist

thats a statement that displays and your thankers' ignorance. Secularism is about non interference of state in religion.
Reservation came about as a social justice system where it is alleged that upper castes oppressed the lower castes and so they are getting benefits. Muslims like you guys like to boast were after all the rulers for 1000 years. If they are poor now, its not because they have been oppressed by anyone but because the rich went off to Pakistan. India so far has not given favouritism to religinos.
My reply to these buggers is that 1/3 of india was split to form pakistan for 1/3 of its citizens who were muslims. So if they want reservation they should just go to Pakistan and not stay in india and demand another partition.

 

[Hello_10]

It is true that Indian Muslims are victims of Indian government's Institutionalized Discrimination, But they also must be blamed for their plight. Why don't the Indian Muslims band together to Improve their lot. Where are the educated Indian Muslims and why are they not helping their fellow Muslims. The rich Muslims could'nt care less about the condition of their brothers. Where are people like Azim Premjee who have the resources and the know how to help Fellow Muslims. Instead of looking for Govt. help they need to get organized and help themselves ( Upni Madad Aap Karo).

I am tired of lazy people looking for Govt. handouts.

India is not the country where the basis of categorizing people is religion. Government and other organizations, like rich people regardless Hindu/ Muslim/ or Sikhs, support the society as a whole, not for any certain religious people. Pakistan is a Islamic country but India is a 'non religious' country and efforts are made to support the Indian society as a whole, without making difference on the basis of religion. But yes Government do provide reservations to backwards, including Hindu and Muslims, to support them.

Please have a look on the recent news as below, the second richest Muslim of the world, Mr Azim Premji, is going to sell around $350mil of shares to fund education. He has been similarly funding education in India before also, regardless any religion.

Azim Premji Trust to sell 1,530-crore Wipro shares to fund education

The money will be used to fund the expansion of Azim Premji Foundation, which is working to improve teaching and learning in some of India's most backward districts. It will also help the Azim Premji University scale up its teaching and research work.

Azim Premji Trust to sell 1,530-crore Wipro shares to fund education - Economic Times

(But yes we do have people like Ms Sonia Gandhi who tries to send Indian black money to foreign banks by using corrupt Indian ministers. she herself is said to be owning over $2bn to $18bn on the back of many corruptions by Congress government. I think Christian religious background of Sonia Gandhi encourage her to help her Western Christian brothers and sisters, by organizing so much corruptions in India to send black money to Western banks by using corrupt Indian ministers . no wonder Italian government is increasingly dependent on Indian black money to avoid recession )

 

[Omar1984]

^ I thought you were Russian

Another false flagger indian.

 

[HZR2011]

because,Indian muslims here don't study,they don't use brains,i rarely see a muslim studying in a degree college in my state, they study in madrassah and join mechanic shops and blame the govt..lol


If they want development,then you have to study,to study you have to use your brains...

90% muslims in india are uneducated,poor,most of them work for daily labour...so their main problem is education...to provide education to your children you need money, if you have 10 children, and you earn daily wage ,how can you educate them??? it would be even tough to provide them 3 times food a day...

Let me first start off by saying that I am not denying any rifts among religious and caste related communities. We have our share of problems.. but let's take a look at those "oppressed Muslims" who are highly respected across India.

Most of you guys will recognize them. They're pretty much worshiped across India.

Those who have led or are leading India one way or another.

i don't see people here worship them,do you worship them in your home daily????

don't generalize everything...

for a common muslim here,he need to educate his children,every one cant be a actor or azim premji...

 

[HZR2011]

This is clearly evidence that secularism in India does not exist

i clearly see the quality of education in pakistan here....
and you are premium member,shame on it

You better google and learn what secularism means...

 

[Sonyuke_Songpaisan]

which people is the majority of India?

 

[WARRANT]

which people is the majority of India?

Indians.

 

[Hello_10]

^ I thought you were Russian

Another false flagger indian.

my flags are SU's, not of Russia, and yes Mr Putin used to work for SU. and also, SU was aligned with India during Cold War

and I have already mentioned my location as Milky Way, as my 'would be' flags are under consideration in UN. I hope they would find a middle way soon. hence neither my flags nor my location are true, nothing false since I joined PDF

also, I had lost my Indian flags around 3 years before. but again I have put my Aussie flags on table and waiting for the outcome