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India is no match for China in the SAARC summit

If the best that Narendra Modi’s spin doctors could do to underscore his success at the recent SAARC summit was to boast that he stuck to a simple vegetarian meal while Pakistan’s Nawaz Sharif feasted on halal meat, evidently there is little else to crow about. Beyond a point, hype becomes counterproductive.

SAARC has been a non-achiever and the 18th SAARC summit in Kathmandu was no exception. Given SAARC’s record, no one expected substantive outcomes at this summit either. Hence, lack of tangible results is neither surprising nor disappointing. No one expected Modi to fire up SAARC or turn it into a star performer. Thus, claims that this SAARC summit was a “success” because it was a “successful outing” for Modi, because he occupied centre stage in Kathmandu, because he set the tone, because he was one up on Sharif, because …, because …, only serve to emphasise the opposite.

SAARC has not been a life-changing force in South Asia. This does not mean that it is useless or should be wound up. It is as useful or useless as the UN, or, for that matter any other regional or international forum.

SAARC has its uses. Otherwise, SAARC observer countries, such as the US, China, the EU, Japan, Iran, Australia and South Korea would not be pushing hard for a greater role in this eight-nation grouping. In fact, some observers, like China, want full membership.

New Delhi is opposed to China assuming a larger role — in any form — in SAARC. Much to India’s discomfiture, the more New Delhi sets itself up against China’s role, the greater the support China gains for expanding its influence within SAARC. And, Modi, much like Manmohan Singh, seems helpless in containing China’s growing power within SAARC and over SAARC member-nations. Except for India, no other member (or observer) is opposed to China’s membership or enhanced role in SAARC.

India is isolated on this issue and engaged in a losing battle. This is a failure of both policy and strategy — not any particular party or Prime Minister — that may haunt India for a long time unless it accepts the challenge represented by China in SAARC and deals with it in a manner that redounds to India’s credit.

China has been looming large over SAARC for some years now. At the 2011 summit in the Maldives, where the issue of its aspiring status could no longer be brushed aside, SAARC settled for a “comprehensive review” of its engagement with observer-states, including the prospect of dialogue partnership.

Far from going away or being shelved, the issue of upgrading China’s status, contrary to New Delhi’s expectation, has only become more challenging. India was seen as opposing elevation of China’s status because this was proposed by Pakistan. In Kathmandu, Pakistan was joined by Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and the Maldives in the growing clamour for China, among other observers, to be granted a larger role. It can no longer be viewed as a case of all-weather friends Pakistan and China acting in tandem against India. Besides, none of the other observers such as the US, the EU, Japan or Iran have opposed an elevated role for China.

New Delhi’s assertion that there is no proposal for “expansion of SAARC” ignores the drift favouring greater engagement with observer nations, including China. The Kathmandu Declaration explicitly proposes “productive, demand-driven and objective project-based cooperation in priority areas as identified by member-states”.

Like the US, today, China is everyone’s neighbour. Like the US, China, has effective proxy players. China would be the elephant in the room at every SAARC summit. New Delhi has to accept this reality, and re-think and re-strategise for India to prevail as the cornerstone of SAARC.
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Well you seem to be implying China's entry into SAARC is inevitable but as I have stated, as long as India (the undeniable dominant player in SAARC) opposes this China will not gain entry into SAARC.

As for bringing in the US as a full member, nope, India won't allow this either. I strongly feel that Japan has a legitimate shot at full SAARC membership, I don't see any nation (other than Pakistan but then Japan is investing in Pakistan too) in South Asia objecting to Japan's entry and in fact India would back their entry. And, like I said, Japan brings almost all the same benefits as China to SAARC without any of the baggage (boundary disputes, conflicting agendas and such).
Pakistan wont oppose Japan in SAARC. our only opposition is about UN security council expansion thats where Japans along with India, Brazil and Germany etc come in as prospect members. nothing more than that.
Japan, if it can be bothered, will be good option in SAARC.

I didnt say China's inclusion is inevitable, even if India doesnt veto it and grudgingly allows it or stays out of voting then ti will spoil the spirit of the organisation. its about cooperation and business ... not a grudge match.
 
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I didnt say China's inclusion is inevitable, even if India doesnt veto it and grudgingly allows it or stays out of voting then ti will spoil the spirit of the organisation. its about cooperation and business ... not a grudge match.
There is simply no conceivable reason why an increasingly muscular India would allow China into an orginisation that it currently dominates without exception. I don't see any way in for China to get into SAARC.

Pakistan wont oppose Japan in SAARC. our only opposition is about UN security council expansion thats where Japans along with India, Brazil and Germany etc come in as prospect members. nothing more than that.
Japan, if it can be bothered, will be good option in SAARC.

Well I meant that Pakistan might oppose Japan on the basis that Pakistan is looking to promote China's entry into SAARC and Japan coming into the fold would effectively end any hopes of that additionally Japan and China are not exactly on good terms so I am sure China would encourage their Pakistani "brothers" to oppose Japan's entry into SAARC.
 
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Pakistan was the one who was against SAARC proposals of inter connectivity while the rest of SAARC nations signed it, PM Modi has already said SAARC will move ahead with or without Others(in this case he implies Pakistan, trying to throw spanner in trade and other deals).
Expect Pakistan to be out of SAARC in next 5 years.

do you have the terms of the agreement memorized in your head? share it all with us
 
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Do request Indian Embassy in Pakistan i am sure they will provide you audio visual and document proof.

i see....are you working there? You seem to know what they know so perhaps you're an employee based at your embassy
 
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China not belongs to south asia so you should stay away from this place.

For this BS, USA will be far better option cause "China is no match for USA in SAARC summit" or "USA is no match for aliens in SAARC summit" :lol:

Would be great if US, India and China all competed to invest in de facto Chinese allies like Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, friendly states like Nepal, and of course Pakistan whose interests are essentially inseparable from China's. China can bankrupt India and the United States, while strengthening countries who are against India. Bangladesh can increase the gap in literacy and social indicators, Sri Lanka will grow very wealthy, and Pakistan's asymmetric power will increase while Nepal and Bhutan run for their lives out of India's grasp.

Is that what the CCP is doing?
 
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Nobody has stopped China from starting CHAARC submit. Why don't you start your own, you can contact everyone who wants to join you.

If China creates it own SA summit to rival India in SAARC, India will stand to to lose all and will be isolated, play the zero sum game against India is not an issue, the reason China want to give a face saving and not push too harsh to isolate India is because an humiliated India will be so easily to be manipulated and incite it to tilt toward US against China, remember of what happened after the debacle of 1962's war, a panicking India had no hesitation to seek US and Soviet aid against China, we know India has a fragile emotion heart despite of claiming to be the leader of non-alignment country. China look at SA in global perspective and not regional perspective.

1. China has observer status in SAARC, so they can enjoy South Asian supper and hospitality, but let's not bundle the SAARC membership with VETO POWER as part of the bufet and serve them on a platter, their PROXY is already creating enough problem in SAARC, no need to enhance the problem.

2. Trade can happen and is happening anyway, neither China wants the member status in SAARC for 'trade', nor India is denying it for 'trade', it is not about trade to start with.

3. We don't need to further cement the legitimacy of Arunachal Pradesh, we consider it curved on stone, anybody disputing it won't change the ground realities.

1-Total bullsh1t, India is just too afraid of China to block it ambition to dictate and dominate SA know that China is the only one of it size to be capable of defeating any India ambitious plans or secret agenda over these SA countries and not becaue of our Proxy.

Instead India should bring in Japan, they come with all the benefits of China (deep pockets) but none of the draw backs (antagonism, divisive nature etc) and Japan seems to have good relations with all SAARC members. Only problem is Pakistan is acting as a lobbyist for China in SAARC and would thus probably oppose any such move.

India can alway to bring Japan in and you can tell geographically if SAARC is more advantageous for China or Japan in term of connectivities. What can possibly Japan to gain inside this organization:lol:. sure India can claim at least Japan is on your side but any single veto will nullify India's wet dream such as the 3 connectivities proposed by MODI:rofl:...LMAO

When China get into SAARC, at least we can help other SA countries to check India and make sure that none SA countries will fall victime of India's plot and India will behave within the limite of the expectation.:big_boss:
 
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If China creates it own SA summit to rival India in SAARC, India will stand to to lose all and will be isolated, play the zero sum game against India is not an issue, the reason China want to give a face saving and not push too harsh to isolate India is because an humiliated India will be so easily to be manipulated and incite it to tilt toward US against China, remember of what happened after the debacle of 1962's war, a panicking India had no hesitation to seek US and Soviet aid against China, we know India has a fragile emotion heart despite of claiming to be the leader of non-alignment country. China look at SA in global perspective and not regional perspective.



1-Total bullsh1t, India is just too afraid of China to block it ambition to dictate and dominate SA know that China is the only one of it size to be capable of defeating any India ambitious plans or secret agenda over these SA countries and not becaue of our Proxy.



India can alway to bring Japan in and you can tell geographically if SAARC is more advantageous for China or Japan in term of connectivities. What can possibly Japan to gain inside this organization:lol:. sure India can claim at least Japan is on your side but any single veto will nullify India's wet dream such as the 3 connectivities proposed by MODI:rofl:...LMAO

When China get into SAARC, at least we can help other SA countries to check India and make sure that none SA countries will fall victime of India's plot and India will behave within the limite of the expectation.:big_boss:
Exactly you yourself told why we should oppose China.
 
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Exactly you yourself told why we should oppose China.

Not only India knows what China can do in SAARC but other SA nations also want India to be checked, that's the reality, wheither India like or not this admission issue will not vanished tomorrow...we Chinese stand not lost, we can play a cooperation game or zero sum game, we dont run out of option.
 
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Is China part of South Asia? :woot: Hell! I need to revisit my geography, as I was under the impression that China is part of East Asia?

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Next, the African state of Burkina Faso would ask for membership too! :P
But then why are Pakistan and Afghanistan (also SAARC member countries) grouped within Central Asia according to your map? Does that not prove that a particular neighboring country need not be in South Asia to join SAARC despite it being a South Asian orientated organization??
 
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But then why are Pakistan and Afghanistan (also SAARC member countries) grouped within Central Asia according to your map? Does that not prove that a particular neighboring country need not be in South Asia to join SAARC despite it being a South Asian orientated organization??

Geographic is just an excuse to justify the China non-admission, India will get only those that are suitable to enhance its interests event alien countries from planete Mars are not a "geographical" problem as long as the chosen countries are smaller and weaker than India :lol:,any Idiots from this planet can see through Indian's ambition in SAARC.:rolleyes:
 
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