My belief is between these two possibilities. War might happen with Pakistan considering how some interests are pushing us against them. In that case if fall of Pakistan becomes eminent China would do what Russians did in Kosovo, because China can't lose their only land connection to Arabian sea. I think the nuclear option is unlikely.
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My belief is between these two possibilities. War might happen with Pakistan considering how some interests are pushing us against them. In that case if fall of Pakistan becomes eminent China would do what Russians did in Kosovo, because China can't lose their only land connection to Arabian sea. I think the nuclear option is unlikely.
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Funny, does anybody read anything about missiles effects in this
article?
Why? because Indians avoid talking about it, they know they are
behind Pakistan and simply no match against China.
In real war scenario, Thousands of Missiles and long-range rockets
will rain down at India's valuable targets, Results=a "whole New Stone
Age of India"
article?
Why? because Indians avoid talking about it, they know they are
behind Pakistan and simply no match against China.
In real war scenario, Thousands of Missiles and long-range rockets
will rain down at India's valuable targets, Results=a "whole New Stone
Age of India"
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Funny, does anybody read anything about missiles effects in this
article?
Why? because Indians avoid talking about it, they know they are
behind Pakistan and simply no match against China.
In real war scenario, Thousands of Missiles and long-range rockets
will rain down at India's valuable targets, Results=a "whole New Stone
Age of India"
Indian stone age begins only after we put you into an ice age.
Funny, does anybody read anything about missiles effects in this
article?
Why? because Indians avoid talking about it, they know they are
behind Pakistan and simply no match against China.
In real war scenario, Thousands of Missiles and long-range rockets
will rain down at India's valuable targets, Results=a "whole New Stone
Age of India"
I bet India would try to do the same.This is what your and our foreign "friends" want for us bro. Let's hope saner people wake up soon.
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Funny, does anybody read anything about missiles effects in this
article?
Why? because Indians avoid talking about it, they know they are
behind Pakistan and simply no match against China.
In real war scenario, Thousands of Missiles and long-range rockets
will rain down at India's valuable targets, Results=a "whole New Stone
Age of India"
Foreign investor will not like to see its investments being destroyed in India in case of a war, Well this statement form Indian Chief should give a second thought to the investors in the region.
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wrong, absolutely wrong, there was a similar situation in 1962, where Pakistan could have taken advantage of, but we never did. so that nullify your claims.
secondly and more importantly, which most of Indian members fail to comprehend, if god forbid, we go to war, even a conventional one let alone nuclear, the outcome is gona be extremely devastating. This my dear Friends is not 60s or 70s era. The dynamics of todays war i.e Modern Day War are totally different from the past, the conventional weapons have turned into deadly beasts and even the last parts of respective countries are in reach of the opponents, and by the way, a bomb/bullet/rocket/missile etc wont differentiate between a civilian and a military personal. so even if you think that your opponent is weaker then you, it still holds enough punch to rip your heart apart.
thats why i believe war is no option, not any more. think again because it may sound fun, but in reality there is no fun in war.
If my leader had given any such statement, i would have at least condemned it in my heart and would have not backed it up with false arguments
At least the public should know what is right for them and what is wrong, and if they fail to recognize it, then a stupid leader can no doubt lead them to destruction.This is exactly what Hitler did to Germans.adiós
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1st, Indian Army chief and NAvy heads ko India may koi nahe janta tu bahir koon janta hoga woh ye statements daykar batana chahtay hain kay bhai ham b Kiyani ke tarhan chief yaa Mike mulen ke tarhan popular hain ham b koi chief hain hamara b naam news paper may aye lol
2nd, India ka demaag karab hoga jo Pakistan say larayga unko b pata hey Muslims mulk tu 20 aur hain hindusim sirf eek he mulk may hey lol (Agay tu sab samaj he gaye hongay may kya kehna chah raha hooo lol)
3rd, China hamara yani PAkistan ka isliye saath nahe dayga kyoonkay usko pata hey ye kudhe sab sanmbhaaleengay agar hindustan say jang hoi rahe baat india ke tu india ko kudh pe bareoosa nahe isliye ye sooch raha hey kay US madad karayga woh kabees apnay logoon ke nahi sunta tu hindustan ke sunayga lol
out of scene article apnay Military officals say kahoo kay bohat jokes kay thread banay howay hain hamko ziada jokes na sunain kyoo itnay baray mulk kay afsar hokar apna mazaak urwa rahay hain lol
4th, India ko ye pata hey hamnay missile Shabraath par phaarnay kiliye nahe rakhay howay lol na he India ke tarhan Exhibition par Aghni aur Brahmos missile kay nakli dummy dekha kar apnay logoon ko MEdia kay through jazbaat ko hawa dena "REGIONAL SUPER POWER" ka China mar gaya haina lol samajdaar loog jantay hain Hindustan kitnay pani may hain isliye ziada nahe uchaltay .... uchatlay woh hain jo bollywood ke Indian dreams dek dek kar aasmaan par ur rahay hain lol
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1st, Indian Army chief and NAvy heads ko India may koi nahe janta tu bahir koon janta hoga woh ye statements daykar batana chahtay hain kay bhai ham b Kiyani ke tarhan chief yaa Mike mulen ke tarhan popular hain ham b koi chief hain hamara b naam news paper may aye lol
2nd, India ka demaag karab hoga jo Pakistan say larayga unko b pata hey Muslims mulk tu 20 aur hain hindusim sirf eek he mulk may hey lol (Agay tu sab samaj he gaye hongay may kya kehna chah raha hooo lol)
3rd, China hamara yani PAkistan ka isliye saath nahe dayga kyoonkay usko pata hey ye kudhe sab sanmbhaaleengay agar hindustan say jang hoi rahe baat india ke tu india ko kudh pe bareoosa nahe isliye ye sooch raha hey kay US madad karayga woh kabees apnay logoon ke nahi sunta tu hindustan ke sunayga lol
out of scene article apnay Military officals say kahoo kay bohat jokes kay thread banay howay hain hamko ziada jokes na sunain kyoo itnay baray mulk kay afsar hokar apna mazaak urwa rahay hain lol
4th, India ko ye pata hey hamnay missile Shabraath par phaarnay kiliye nahe rakhay howay lol na he India ke tarhan Exhibition par Aghni aur Brahmos missile kay nakli dummy dekha kar apnay logoon ko MEdia kay through jazbaat ko hawa dena "REGIONAL SUPER POWER" ka China mar gaya haina lol samajdaar loog jantay hain Hindustan kitnay pani may hain isliye ziada nahe uchaltay .... uchatlay woh hain jo bollywood ke Indian dreams dek dek kar aasmaan par ur rahay hain lol
No offense. Hindi/Urdu is easy hear and understand but not that easy to read and understand (especially in English). Don't forget that not every region is Hindi speaking.
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its all crap, basically these statements are to prove the Indian support and show US that India is important strategic partner to tackle China and on the other hand they are making an excuse to increase defence budget an old US governments technique from more than a century.
But yeah the way he said is totally immature and insane at the same time. And covering it all up by saying that this statement resembles defending strategy rather than aggressiveness then this is incorrect.
Similar statements were made a few weeks back from another Indian Army General stating that India will go for a limited war with Pakistan. Now that's more stupid that he is giving a hint of war and say its defensive and also that after initiating a war it can be controlled to their own desired limits.
Moreover, presenting a threat or danger to a nation is a source of keeping armies motivated and morales high and making general public more patriotic.
But yeah the way he said is totally immature and insane at the same time. And covering it all up by saying that this statement resembles defending strategy rather than aggressiveness then this is incorrect.
Similar statements were made a few weeks back from another Indian Army General stating that India will go for a limited war with Pakistan. Now that's more stupid that he is giving a hint of war and say its defensive and also that after initiating a war it can be controlled to their own desired limits.
Moreover, presenting a threat or danger to a nation is a source of keeping armies motivated and morales high and making general public more patriotic.
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yes even i dont see any war, all the talk of war and war is useless and needless.
but there is no harm in being prepared for any eventuality. It is the responsibility of armed forces infact to be prepared for any eventuality howsoever remote the possibility might look. And in this case the possibility is also not that remote considering Pak-China are very close.
So it is good thing from armed forces to prepare itself for such a thing.
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1st, Indian Army chief and NAvy heads ko India may koi nahe janta tu bahir koon janta hoga woh ye statements daykar batana chahtay hain kay bhai ham b Kiyani ke tarhan chief yaa Mike mulen ke tarhan popular hain ham b koi chief hain hamara b naam news paper may aye lol
2nd, India ka demaag karab hoga jo Pakistan say larayga unko b pata hey Muslims mulk tu 20 aur hain hindusim sirf eek he mulk may hey lol (Agay tu sab samaj he gaye hongay may kya kehna chah raha hooo lol)
3rd, China hamara yani PAkistan ka isliye saath nahe dayga kyoonkay usko pata hey ye kudhe sab sanmbhaaleengay agar hindustan say jang hoi rahe baat india ke tu india ko kudh pe bareoosa nahe isliye ye sooch raha hey kay US madad karayga woh kabees apnay logoon ke nahi sunta tu hindustan ke sunayga lol
out of scene article apnay Military officals say kahoo kay bohat jokes kay thread banay howay hain hamko ziada jokes na sunain kyoo itnay baray mulk kay afsar hokar apna mazaak urwa rahay hain lol
4th, India ko ye pata hey hamnay missile Shabraath par phaarnay kiliye nahe rakhay howay lol na he India ke tarhan Exhibition par Aghni aur Brahmos missile kay nakli dummy dekha kar apnay logoon ko MEdia kay through jazbaat ko hawa dena "REGIONAL SUPER POWER" ka China mar gaya haina lol samajdaar loog jantay hain Hindustan kitnay pani may hain isliye ziada nahe uchaltay .... uchatlay woh hain jo bollywood ke Indian dreams dek dek kar aasmaan par ur rahay hain lol
Leave China aside; however, I think Indians and Pakistanis do this for sure:
Edited<<uchatlay woh hain jo bollywood/lollywood ke Indian/Pakistani dreams dek dek kar aasmaan par ur rahay hain>>
Now don't say that Pakistanis don't watch Indian movies.
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another topic which might help..
Some 400 people died in terror attacks in 2008. In 2005, 94,985 died in road accidents in India. Delhi alone had 2169 casualties (source below).
The poorest in our country live in perilous conditions every day of their life – their daily commute is fraught with danger, their underpaid jobs provide little safety or security, and there’s seldom any mention of their names in the news when dozens die crushed under the giant wheels of a bus, or a drunk rich kid’s car. The daily terror of being poor is ignored. Yet there is disproportionate angst after the Mumbai attacks (or the misnomer 26/11) since for the first time the rich and powerful were targeted. Addressing and combating terror is clearly an important priority however as a country we need to keep perspective with respect to the focus, mindshare, and resources we attach to it. Moreover to combat terrorism, we need both a short-term response and long-term solution.There’s a lot of talk (and pseudo-action) on the short-term response. Some are no brainers: we need to fix accountability (yet stay away from reactionary politics), plug our security holes (while understanding the constraints of India’s size, multi-ethnicity, its stated secularist ideals, and civil liberties of its citizens and residents) and improve our emergency response apparatus (more NSG hubs etc). Other initiatives like the anti-terror law are unproductive: unlikely to deter the terrorist who comes to kill and be killed, and more likely to to be misused to violate civil liberties. Terrorism in India isn’t an isolated problem of dealing with an errant neighbour, and it cannot be addressed simply in crisis management mode. We need a social solution, an interlocking framework of symbiotic initiatives. Terrorism in India is both homegrown (e.g., SIMI, Maoists, ULFA) and (forcibly) imported from Islamic extremists (Pakistan supported LeT, Jaish e Muhammad etc).
The homegrown terrorism can never be crushed without mainstreaming the marginalized (the poorest, and/or minorities) of the country, those without opportunities of education and vocation. While there are cases of middle class ideologues (e.g., the Bangalore IT guy), overwhelmingly, on the ground recruits hail from backward communities (the Hindu fundamentalists are unique in that they are actively cultivated by some of our highest politicians (think Narendra Modi, Advani)).
As for the insurgency created by Pakistan – we absolutely need to find a peaceful political solution to Kashmir. What we have now is a stalemate – Kashmir cannot possibly be hundred percent either with India or Pakistan. Even Ehud Olmert, the outgoing prime minister of Israel understands that lasting peace in Israel is possible only if Israel cedes some territory to Palestine, including parts of Jerusalem. In India we grow up indoctrinated in to self-righteous avows that Kashmir is ours without ever going into the details (as is undoubtedly the Pakistani public). India and Pakistan were carved out of one country, with the 560 princely states under allegiance to the Brits told to join India/Pak based on their geography and religion of the residents. The ruler of Kashmir dithered until Oct 1947 to sign the instrument of accession to India, but only after Pak army had come marching in to stake control. Both Pak and India brokered a peace agreement to confirm the accession based on a referendum (which never happened). Given this backdrop, does a two-state solution really seem that far out the realm of reasonable? Yet no politician on either side of the LoC will advance this idea, ’cause of the insurmountable public opinion against it. However, as we sit in Delhi, Mumbai or any other damn place other than Kashmir, what right do we have to continue a stalemate that is destroying the people of Kashmir. Also, we are losing moral authority with every human rights violation by Indian forces there, which creates a tide of bad feeling against India in the minds of Kashmiri residents.
India can’t possibly afford the rhetoric of a war with Pakistan. War is expensive (we are already running one of the highest fiscal deficits in the world) and it will further destabilize Pakistan and increase its military’s might. Which country, however mighty its armed forces has been able to control guerrilla insurgency (US cannot in Iraq; Israel can’t with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestinian suicide bombers). These suicide bombers, these men on a mission to kill (and be killed in the process) cannot be stopped merely by waging a war. It’s their very sense of marginalization that finds solace in extremist ideology. After eight years of waging a costly and unpopular war, the US too is rethinking its unilateral recourse to military action. The US Defense Secretary Robert Gates writes in the Jan/Feb 2009 issue of Foreign Affairs. “But not every outrage, every act of aggression or every crisis can or should elicit a military response… [military action] “should be subordinated to measures aimed at promoting better governance, economic programs that spur development and efforts to address the grievances among the discontented, from whom terrorists recruit.” It is India’s self-interest to focus on development at home, and its neighbouring countries, like its current efforts in Afghanistan. We should also resume cultural and trade ties with Pakistan – suspending the much looked forward to cricket tour served no purpose. The Pakistani civilian government is weak, and we shouldn’t play into its military’s plans by irresponsible rhetoric from our government or our news media.
As a country, we need to actively start thinking about concerted action – we can’t selectively target the problem of terrorism and hope to fix it in isolation. Long-term development plans don’t incite the same kind of passion as war rhetoric, or gotcha! investigation of the government do, but objectively that’s our only hope.
Source: World Road Statistics, 2007. The data is a little dated; however it will likely be comparable (if not more) in India given the increase in cars on Indian roads died in Indian road accidents
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Some 400 people died in terror attacks in 2008. In 2005, 94,985 died in road accidents in India. Delhi alone had 2169 casualties (source below).
The poorest in our country live in perilous conditions every day of their life – their daily commute is fraught with danger, their underpaid jobs provide little safety or security, and there’s seldom any mention of their names in the news when dozens die crushed under the giant wheels of a bus, or a drunk rich kid’s car. The daily terror of being poor is ignored. Yet there is disproportionate angst after the Mumbai attacks (or the misnomer 26/11) since for the first time the rich and powerful were targeted. Addressing and combating terror is clearly an important priority however as a country we need to keep perspective with respect to the focus, mindshare, and resources we attach to it. Moreover to combat terrorism, we need both a short-term response and long-term solution.There’s a lot of talk (and pseudo-action) on the short-term response. Some are no brainers: we need to fix accountability (yet stay away from reactionary politics), plug our security holes (while understanding the constraints of India’s size, multi-ethnicity, its stated secularist ideals, and civil liberties of its citizens and residents) and improve our emergency response apparatus (more NSG hubs etc). Other initiatives like the anti-terror law are unproductive: unlikely to deter the terrorist who comes to kill and be killed, and more likely to to be misused to violate civil liberties. Terrorism in India isn’t an isolated problem of dealing with an errant neighbour, and it cannot be addressed simply in crisis management mode. We need a social solution, an interlocking framework of symbiotic initiatives. Terrorism in India is both homegrown (e.g., SIMI, Maoists, ULFA) and (forcibly) imported from Islamic extremists (Pakistan supported LeT, Jaish e Muhammad etc).
The homegrown terrorism can never be crushed without mainstreaming the marginalized (the poorest, and/or minorities) of the country, those without opportunities of education and vocation. While there are cases of middle class ideologues (e.g., the Bangalore IT guy), overwhelmingly, on the ground recruits hail from backward communities (the Hindu fundamentalists are unique in that they are actively cultivated by some of our highest politicians (think Narendra Modi, Advani)).
As for the insurgency created by Pakistan – we absolutely need to find a peaceful political solution to Kashmir. What we have now is a stalemate – Kashmir cannot possibly be hundred percent either with India or Pakistan. Even Ehud Olmert, the outgoing prime minister of Israel understands that lasting peace in Israel is possible only if Israel cedes some territory to Palestine, including parts of Jerusalem. In India we grow up indoctrinated in to self-righteous avows that Kashmir is ours without ever going into the details (as is undoubtedly the Pakistani public). India and Pakistan were carved out of one country, with the 560 princely states under allegiance to the Brits told to join India/Pak based on their geography and religion of the residents. The ruler of Kashmir dithered until Oct 1947 to sign the instrument of accession to India, but only after Pak army had come marching in to stake control. Both Pak and India brokered a peace agreement to confirm the accession based on a referendum (which never happened). Given this backdrop, does a two-state solution really seem that far out the realm of reasonable? Yet no politician on either side of the LoC will advance this idea, ’cause of the insurmountable public opinion against it. However, as we sit in Delhi, Mumbai or any other damn place other than Kashmir, what right do we have to continue a stalemate that is destroying the people of Kashmir. Also, we are losing moral authority with every human rights violation by Indian forces there, which creates a tide of bad feeling against India in the minds of Kashmiri residents.
India can’t possibly afford the rhetoric of a war with Pakistan. War is expensive (we are already running one of the highest fiscal deficits in the world) and it will further destabilize Pakistan and increase its military’s might. Which country, however mighty its armed forces has been able to control guerrilla insurgency (US cannot in Iraq; Israel can’t with Hamas, Hezbollah, and Palestinian suicide bombers). These suicide bombers, these men on a mission to kill (and be killed in the process) cannot be stopped merely by waging a war. It’s their very sense of marginalization that finds solace in extremist ideology. After eight years of waging a costly and unpopular war, the US too is rethinking its unilateral recourse to military action. The US Defense Secretary Robert Gates writes in the Jan/Feb 2009 issue of Foreign Affairs. “But not every outrage, every act of aggression or every crisis can or should elicit a military response… [military action] “should be subordinated to measures aimed at promoting better governance, economic programs that spur development and efforts to address the grievances among the discontented, from whom terrorists recruit.” It is India’s self-interest to focus on development at home, and its neighbouring countries, like its current efforts in Afghanistan. We should also resume cultural and trade ties with Pakistan – suspending the much looked forward to cricket tour served no purpose. The Pakistani civilian government is weak, and we shouldn’t play into its military’s plans by irresponsible rhetoric from our government or our news media.
As a country, we need to actively start thinking about concerted action – we can’t selectively target the problem of terrorism and hope to fix it in isolation. Long-term development plans don’t incite the same kind of passion as war rhetoric, or gotcha! investigation of the government do, but objectively that’s our only hope.
Source: World Road Statistics, 2007. The data is a little dated; however it will likely be comparable (if not more) in India given the increase in cars on Indian roads died in Indian road accidents
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lols. Pakistanis do and end up scoffing it off, and say [Yet another wanna be movie].
btw, Indian dreams ?? whats that !!
Nobody would like to be part of a nation with 900 million starving everyday!!
Anyway, the only movie parallel to reality as far as i've found is Slumdog Millionaire.
Now don't say its not true.
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India is getting ready to fight China and Pakistan simultaneously!!!
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Good joke, buddy!! However, I don't think majority of Pakistanis feel that way about Indian movies.
Rest of your post shows some anger and hatred. Calm down! My post was not that provoking.
I'm not saying that India does not have any problems such as poverty, corruption, unemployment etc. BTW, which country in the world is free of these problems?
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