India is a friend. Pakistan is not. (US president Bush memo)

[Genghis khan1]

oooooohhhhh.

I remember what mushi the ball-less coward used to say, the jackass used to say that the US would have gone to india, they went to india anyways.

na khuda mila, na he wisaal e sanam.

Phat gai thi commando ki, just like Bajwa. These old farts are incompetent and just want easy retirement. who knows when they go overseas, someone mix something in there food to mentally castrate them.

While Bush senior put Pakistan under sanctions, his son Bush junior released the latest versions of F-16s to Pakistan along with 500 AMRAAM missiles to fight WOT. I don't recall Talibans ever fielding an Airforce.... So basically in hindsight it was like a licence to whip so called America's new found friend.

He also struck nuclear and missile exemption deal with India while refusing Pakistan and to pacify Pakistan was offered peanut like few F-16s.

Even Iraq (potential foe) and now rag tag Ukrainian are offered F-16s.

 

[313ghazi]

When Osama was lived in plain sight for years near PMA, Kakul and Kaptaan Sahab celebrated Afghans breaking the "shackles of slavery" at the time of America's humiliating retreat from Kabul, then how does anyone excpect the USA to consider Pakistan as a friend?

Read the history books without the pajeet edit.

Both those events happened after Bush left office.

Also most of us agree with Bush - apart from the corrupt Generals.

Phat gai thi commando ki, just like Bajwa. These old farts are incompetent and just want easy retirement. who knows when they go overseas, someone mix something in there food to mentally castrate them.


He also struck nuclear and missile exemption deal with India while refusing Pakistan and to pacify Pakistan was offered peanut like few F-16s.

Even Iraq (potential foe) and now rag tag Ukrainian are offered F-16s.

The prism of the F-solah is just another example of how the Khaki treat the "bloody civillians".

Feel free to shoot down our energy needs and bomb our civillians, just give us F-16 and visas when we retire.

 

[Menace2Society]

You destroyed your relationship with the yanks for the Taliban in the 90s and gave India a clean run to fill the void Despite 3 attacks from Taliban supported AQ on US assets (Pakistan should have immediately cut relations with Talibs after the 94 twin tower car park bombing) you continued to back the Talibs. Even after the WOT began you looked the other way when Talibs crossed the border to hide.

The yanks have more patience with you then I would, they are still your biggest export market. I would have cut you off like the snakes you are. Taliban over a superpower ally and got nothing out of it apart from TTP terrorism for 20 years. Absolutely retarded.

There is no repairing this relationship now, the wounds have cut too deep. You are like a Iran without the oil. Desperately running to China for a loan you didn't need to compensate after being cut off from intelligence sharing by five eyes put you in extreme debt.

This entire episode is a debacle of epic proportions which only a time machine can fix.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

He also struck nuclear and missile exemption deal with India while refusing Pakistan and to pacify Pakistan was offered peanut like few F-16s.

Even Iraq (potential foe) and now rag tag Ukrainian are offered F-16s.

True, This is the thing, we don't see larger picture. US and India are going together for big things. While we get happy on peanuts. India never sells its sovereignty. With Musharaf F-16s deal, what comes under the package is 24/7 US technical & Security Team. These people are always employed with the F-16s. They have to be informed on any operation. They are their for complete monitoring. Also, Pakistan pays for the salaries and everything for these US contractors (security & technical team) . more here: (Source: https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/h...e-with-pakistan-can-help-it-deal-with-turkey/)

Few F-16s came when we were letting Americans bomb our tribal areas and we started a mess that we now are unsure how we will get rid of. We have thrown ourselves in forever instability because of WOT. Anyways, US did what it wanted from us and gone forever. Now, Forget F-16s, not even license for engines won't be given for whatever equipment. While india is being offered F-15EX, F-16 Block 70s (rebranded as F-21s) but so far India has not selected yet. Its upto india's selection.

Its not just the top end US combat aircrafts are offered but these also meet indian requirements to setup the local production lines. Totally different level of co-operation.

@Windjammer

 

[Windjammer]

True, This is the thing, we don't see larger picture. US and India are going together for big things. While we get happy on peanuts. India never sells its sovereignty. With Musharaf F-16s deal, what comes under the package is 24/7 US technical & Security Team. These people are always employed with the F-16s. They have to be informed on any operation. They are their for complete monitoring. Also, Pakistan pays for the salaries and everything for these US contractors (security & technical team) . more here: (Source: https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/h...e-with-pakistan-can-help-it-deal-with-turkey/)

Few F-16s came when we were letting Americans bomb our tribal areas and we started a mess that we now are unsure how we will get rid of. We have thrown ourselves in forever instability because of WOT. Anyways, US did what it wanted from us and gone forever. Now, Forget F-16s, not even license for engines won't be given for whatever equipment. While india is being offered F-15EX, F-16 Block 70s (rebranded as F-21s) but so far India has not selected yet. Its upto india's selection.

Its not just the top end US combat aircrafts are offered but these also meet indian requirements to setup the local production lines. Totally different level of co-operation.

@Windjammer

Show them the dollars and they will sell you the American Eagle.
Basically that's the whole point and the end game.

 

[CivilianSupremacy]

Show them the dollars and they will sell you the American Eagle.
Basically that's the whole point and the end game.

That's true.

However, we were ready to pay for F-16s in the 90's, We were also ready to pay for engines for Turk helis, It seems US is no longer interested for $$ when its main partner / ally India gets upset. Ofcourse, India's purchases dwarfs whatever Pakistan maybe interested in. Naturally US has dismissed Pakistan as a used card. It was upto us that we should have carefully driven our policy, especially during the last one year.

 

[Genghis khan1]

True, This is the thing, we don't see larger picture. US and India are going together for big things. While we get happy on peanuts. India never sells its sovereignty. With Musharaf F-16s deal, what comes under the package is 24/7 US technical & Security Team. These people are always employed with the F-16s. They have to be informed on any operation. They are their for complete monitoring. Also, Pakistan pays for the salaries and everything for these US contractors (security & technical team) . more here: (Source: https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/h...e-with-pakistan-can-help-it-deal-with-turkey/)

Few F-16s came when we were letting Americans bomb our tribal areas and we started a mess that we now are unsure how we will get rid of. We have thrown ourselves in forever instability because of WOT. Anyways, US did what it wanted from us and gone forever. Now, Forget F-16s, not even license for engines won't be given for whatever equipment. While india is being offered F-15EX, F-16 Block 70s (rebranded as F-21s) but so far India has not selected yet. Its upto india's selection.

Its not just the top end US combat aircrafts are offered but these also meet indian requirements to setup the local production lines. Totally different level of co-operation.

@Windjammer

Since Indians exception from MTCR alone, it has progressed significantly in both missile and space programs. GHQ old farts are sitting with thumb up their rear. They are so incompetent they can’t even properly negotiate a bargain for their Yes, Sir services.

 

[nahtanbob]

Read the history books without the pajeet edit.

Both those events happened after Bush left office.

Also most of us agree with Bush - apart from the corrupt Generals.

CIA knew all along Osama was hiding in Pakistan. They could not pin point his exact location

True, This is the thing, we don't see larger picture. US and India are going together for big things. While we get happy on peanuts. India never sells its sovereignty. With Musharaf F-16s deal, what comes under the package is 24/7 US technical & Security Team. These people are always employed with the F-16s. They have to be informed on any operation. They are their for complete monitoring. Also, Pakistan pays for the salaries and everything for these US contractors (security & technical team) . more here: (Source: https://warontherocks.com/2020/08/h...e-with-pakistan-can-help-it-deal-with-turkey/)

Few F-16s came when we were letting Americans bomb our tribal areas and we started a mess that we now are unsure how we will get rid of. We have thrown ourselves in forever instability because of WOT. Anyways, US did what it wanted from us and gone forever. Now, Forget F-16s, not even license for engines won't be given for whatever equipment. While india is being offered F-15EX, F-16 Block 70s (rebranded as F-21s) but so far India has not selected yet. Its upto india's selection.

Its not just the top end US combat aircrafts are offered but these also meet indian requirements to setup the local production lines. Totally different level of co-operation.

@Windjammer

India has not been offered TOT on F-16s or F-15s. May be an assembly line for local production

In civilized and free countries we are free to criticize the actions and policies of our adopted countries. And Amreeka bahadur's actions are of that a hegemon vis a vis Pakistan. Albeit, those actions are with the view to protect american interest, however ill-conceieved or malintent that might be. I can say this as right given to me in this country's constitution with no fear of retribution.

However, in Pakistan's case the only consideration Establishment has is for the preservation of the aforementioned American hegemony. This the lowest of the low and in American eyes even less worthy of respect than their archest of enemies. Amreeka bahadur has more respect for the North Koreans and Taliban than the sold out progeny of Lord Clive, i.e. Pak Army sepoys who have consistently sold their nation's interests for peanuts going back 250 years. Hence the American refrain specially preserved for no other nation except Pakistan, that is "they are willing to sell even their mothers".

I always thought "selling their own mothers" it was hyperbole on PDF except I was shocked to find an actual quote

U.S. government expresses "regret" for derogatory comment

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) _ After a string of anti-American protests across Pakistan, the U.S. State Department apologized Tuesday for an American prosecutor's derogatory comment about Pakistanis. Robert Horan, a district attorney for Fairfax County, Va., was commenting in a television...

apnews.com

 

[Paji]

I have seen Indians cheerleading for PDM and generals.

Actually, most cerebral Indians who understand what is in India's national interest support Niazi Sahab coming back to power. PDM is just a collection of mostly corrupt politicians who will bleed away Pakistan only slowly, but Kaptaan Sahab has managed to create more fitnaa among Pakistan quam and idaaras in the last few months than RAW managed in decades. PDM is mainly motivated by self interest and they will act within the boundaries set for them by the professional Pakistani establishment, but Kaptaan is completely unhinged and self - absorbed. He will throw anyone under the bus and even destroy all Pakistani institutions to fulfill his desire of becoming amir ul momineen of the entire ummah. So, IK can destroy Pakistan in months whereas PDM might take years or even decades .

Both those events happened after Bush left office.

Exactly. That demonstrates how early the Americans knew where Pakistan really stood despite Mushi's claim of Pakistan being America's frontline ally in the war against terror.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Thats why China is a friend, USA is not.

 

[LakeHawk180]

Thats why China is a friend, USA is not.

Don’t worry. It won’t be long before you disgust them too. Looks like they are already on their way out anyway.

Chinese embassy in Pakistan temporarily shuts down consular section

Country cites technical issues for closure.Unclear when consular section will be reopened.Embassy provides phone number, email for immigration inquiries.ISLAMABAD: China has announced that it will...

www.geo.tv

 

[xyxmt]

China is a friend, America is not
Russia is a friend, America is not

 

[surmabhopali]

We are closer to the caucasians than the Indians.

Jemina Smith married IK not Modi.

Then why US ousted Imran Khan ?

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Then why US ousted Imran Khan ?

The same reason why Modi was banned.

West does these type tricks on their lackeys to increase their popularity.

 

[ThunderCat]

Bush: The enemy (India) of my enemy (China) is my friend. The friend (Pakistan) of my enemy (China) is my indirect enemy.

Don't worry, they will give the same status if any similar 9-11 incident happens in the future and will do the drone strikes in Pakistan

Drone strikes that were done with Pakistani approval.