India-Iran, Qatar SeaPipeline Not Possible without Pakistan's Approval

[HRK]

Now read this,,,,,,,,,,,,,, slowly.

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone​

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

Pakistan can do squat to prevent this pipeline. Your territorial water ends at 12NM. You cannot prevent India or anyone else from laying down a pipeline even 13NM outside your coastline.

its better not to have any knowledge rather to have 'incomplete knowledge'

NOW READ THESE ARTICLES & CLAUSES SLOWLY ..........

Article 58 (same article which you have quoted)
Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone​

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

The above quoted clause (1) of article 58 which debates about the 'FREEDOM' of 'all states' (coastal & Land lock) in EEZ in relation to navigation, overflight & of laying of submarine cables & pipelines is actually subjecting these freedom under Article 87 of PART VII of the same United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
relevant clause are stated under

Article87
Freedom of the high sea​

1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked. Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia, both for coastal and land-locked States:
(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to Part VI;

Again the clause (1) sub clause (c) of Article 87 is referring to the Part VI of the convention (which deals with the 'subjective freedom' of state or states for laying Submarine cables or pipelines on the continental shelf); in order for State or States to exercise the given 'subjective freedom' by UN under the convention to lay the undersea pipeline the following clause 79 of Part VI is applicable, which is stated below

Article 79
Submarine cables and pipelines on the continental shelf​

3. The delineation of the course for the laying of such pipelines on the continental shelf is subject to the consent of the coastal State.
4. Nothing in this Part affects the right of the coastal State to establish conditions for cables or pipelines entering its territory or territorial sea, or its jurisdiction over cables and pipelines constructed or used in connection with the exploration of its continental shelf or exploitation of its resources or the operations of artificial islands, installations and structures under its jurisdiction.

The clause 3 of article 79 of the UN convention on the law of sea has explicitly mention that consent of coastal state is necessary for delineation of such pipeline projects; while the clause clause 4 has clarified that no given freedom to States (other then COASTAL STATE) under this clause affect the right of coastal state over its jurisdiction in EEZ.

Now back to Article 58 clause 3 (mention as under) clearly instructs STATES to respect & to comply with the LAWS & REGULATIONS of COASTAL STATE in EEZ

Article 58 (same article which you have quoted)​

3. In exercising their rights and performing their duties under this Convention in the exclusive economic zone, States shall have due regard to the rights and duties of the coastal State and shall comply with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of this Convention and other rules of international law in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part.

Now after quoting these number of clauses which have made it clear that India can't even 'initiate' the pipeline project in Pakistani EEZ all its own without the consent (read 'approval') of Pakistan; I want to ask you that how did you reach to conclusion that India have all the right to lay down an undersea pipeline in 'Pakistan's EEZ' but Pakistan have no right under the the international law even in Pakistan's EEZ & why you ignored the following wordings of Article 58 clause 1 (posted by you in your post)

subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention

either you are just another Indian troll or you just copy & pasted the (incomplete) clause from some Indian forum without even understanding the matter.

 

[Emmie]

The article is wrong, looks like they haven't read UN convention on laws of the sea properly. As per UNCLOS, Pakistan only has economic rights(fishing, oil exploration) to it EEZ, It can not stop the passage of a pipeline or cables outside its territorial waters..

Have you ever read Indian maritime zones act of 1976, one that it had submitted to UN in compliance with deposit obligation pursuant to UNCLOS? Almost all the states in their legislation has kept a room for maneuvering. UNCLOS states that all states shall have the right to fly and navigate in coastal state's EEZ but India laws provide that government mayl designate areas in the EEZ where the entry and passage of foreign ships will be regulated by the establishment of fairways sealanes, traffic separation scheme.The designated area in EZZ may have provisions pertaining customs and other fiscal matters.

This one is important, section 7.

Without prejudice to the provisions of sub-section (2) and subject to any measures that may be necessary for protecting the interests of India, the Central Government may not impede the laying or maintenance of submarine cables or pipelines on the continental shelf by foreign States. Provided that the consent of the Central Government shall be necessary for the delineation of the course for the laying of such cables or pipelines.

http://www.un.org/depts/los/LEGISLATIONANDTREATIES/PDFFILES/IND_1976_Act.pdf

Question, if in some manner, morally justified or unjustified, a pipeline which is to be laid by a third state in Indian waters impinges the national interest of India - will the government of India give its consent? No consent means no project until UN or some legal body quashes Indian concerns. Indian government can levy some sort of charges if it deems fit.


In short it's all about diplomatic relations.

Pakistan legislation on its waters is almost same, btw.

 

[Pandora]

The article is wrong, looks like they haven't read UN convention on laws of the sea properly. As per UNCLOS, Pakistan only has economic rights(fishing, oil exploration) to it EEZ, It can not stop the passage of a pipeline or cables outside its territorial waters..

You still don't get the term Exclusive economic zone. Pakistan has economic rights hence Pakistan can claim royalties for the passage of pipeline through their zone.

its better not to have any knowledge rather to have 'incomplete knowledge'

NOW READ THESE ARTICLES & CLAUSES SLOWLY ..........


The above quoted clause (1) of article 58 which debates about the 'FREEDOM' of 'all states' (coastal & Land lock) in EEZ in relation to navigation, overflight & of laying of submarine cables & pipelines is actually subjecting these freedom under Article 87 of PART VII of the same United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
relevant clause are stated under



Again the clause (1) sub clause (c) of Article 87 is referring to the Part of VI (which deals with the 'subjective freedom' of state or states for laying Submarine cables or pipelines on the continental shelf); in order for State or States to exercise the given 'subjective freedom' by UN under the convention to lay the undersea pipeline the following clause 79 of Part VI is applicable, which is stated below



The clause 3 of article 79 of the UN convention on the law of sea has explicitly mention that consent of coastal state is necessary for delineation of such pipeline projects; while the clause clause 4 has clarified that no given freedom to States (other then COASTAL STATE) under this clause affect the right of coastal state over its jurisdiction in EEZ.

Now back to Article 58 clause 3 (mention as under) clearly instructs STATES to respect & to comply with the LAWS & REGULATIONS of COASTAL STATE in EEZ



Now after quoting these number of clauses which have made it clear that India can't even 'initiate' the pipeline project in Pakistani EEZ all its own without the consent (read 'approval') of Pakistan; I want to ask you that how did you reach to conclusion that India have all the right to lay down an undersea pipeline in 'Pakistan's EEZ' but Pakistan have no right under the the international law even in Pakistan's EEZ & why you ignored the following wordings of Article 58 clause 1 (posted by you in your post)


either you are just another Indian troll or you just copy & pasted the (incomplete) clause from some Indian forum without even understanding the matter.

They know the truth bro as their media is reporting it. Its what you call being butt hurt and this is what they call Decidophobia in more specific terms.

 

[Shamain]

Are indians here gone nuts claiming of still going ahead and laying down the pipeline.

Pakistan eez is 200 nm, conti shelf is 150 nm, 350 nm mashaAllah.

stay out of this region.

its better not to have any knowledge rather to have 'incomplete knowledge'

NOW READ THESE ARTICLES & CLAUSES SLOWLY ..........


The above quoted clause (1) of article 58 which debates about the 'FREEDOM' of 'all states' (coastal & Land lock) in EEZ in relation to navigation, overflight & of laying of submarine cables & pipelines is actually subjecting these freedom under Article 87 of PART VII of the same United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea
relevant clause are stated under



Again the clause (1) sub clause (c) of Article 87 is referring to the Part of VI (which deals with the 'subjective freedom' of state or states for laying Submarine cables or pipelines on the continental shelf); in order for State or States to exercise the given 'subjective freedom' by UN under the convention to lay the undersea pipeline the following clause 79 of Part VI is applicable, which is stated below



The clause 3 of article 79 of the UN convention on the law of sea has explicitly mention that consent of coastal state is necessary for delineation of such pipeline projects; while the clause clause 4 has clarified that no given freedom to States (other then COASTAL STATE) under this clause affect the right of coastal state over its jurisdiction in EEZ.

Now back to Article 58 clause 3 (mention as under) clearly instructs STATES to respect & to comply with the LAWS & REGULATIONS of COASTAL STATE in EEZ



Now after quoting these number of clauses which have made it clear that India can't even 'initiate' the pipeline project in Pakistani EEZ all its own without the consent (read 'approval') of Pakistan; I want to ask you that how did you reach to conclusion that India have all the right to lay down an undersea pipeline in 'Pakistan's EEZ' but Pakistan have no right under the the international law even in Pakistan's EEZ & why you ignored the following wordings of Article 58 clause 1 (posted by you in your post)


either you are just another Indian troll or you just copy & pasted the (incomplete) clause from some Indian forum without even understanding the matter.

Even what he had copied said the same thing that u cant interfere in a foreign coastal region eez. He didnt even know what he was pasting.
As i say indian intellects.

Looks like India has another pipeline to forget about.

Thats called epic salt rubbing in wounds. By the way this another = 3rd time

 

[xyxmt]

Now read this,,,,,,,,,,,,,, slowly.

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone​

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

Pakistan can do squat to prevent this pipeline. Your territorial water ends at 12NM. You cannot prevent India or anyone else from laying down a pipeline even 13NM outside your coastline.

there ya go, the great one solved another problem.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Is there any restriction on the pipe being built over us like a over pass?

 

[Shamain]

Is there any restriction on the pipe being built over us like a over pass?

Yes in the form of over flying rights

 

[New Resolve]

This Gentelemen is what we call a pipe dream not a pipeline. Sort of like the LCA, yep its coming, its coming, almost there, just another year, any minute now.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Yes in the form of over flying rights

1. What if it goes up, up, up,up,up, up, up till it touches Mars and then comes down, down, down, down to India. Is that legal?

2. Is that what they call "pipe dream"?

 

[Shamain]

1. What if it goes up, up, up,up,up, up, up till it touches Mars and then comes down, down, down, down to India. Is that legal?

2. Is that what they call "pipe dream"?

Hahahahhahahahaha.

Atanzzzzzzzzzzzzz withouttttt u this forum isss sooooo boringgggggg. Thank God u exist with all ur wittttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!

And atanz bahi dont quit this forum as long as u stay this funnnnnehhhhhh and witty. And obviously the hospitality we give our eastern neighbours

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Don't worry I have to keep 1,300 million Indian's dancing ......
So I am not going anywhere.

And talking of funny have you come across that crazy Russian .. Lord Tyranous. The guy has me in stiches everytime. He just garbles stuff. One crazy, funny bear he is .......

 

[Shamain]

Don't worry I have to keep 1,300 Indian's dancing ......
So I am not going anywhere.

And talking of funny have you come across that crazy Russian .. Lord Tyranous. The guy has me in stiches everytime. He just garbles stuff. One crazy, funny bear he is .......

Yeaaaaa read him ,will try reading more of his stuff. But usually its u who leaves me falling off my chair laughing.

Oh and atanz edit ur post ,it is 1300 million indians. U wrote 1300.

 

[graphican]

The Blue part is the extended component of our waters and there is no way pipeline could go to India without going through Pakistani waters.

 

[Shamain]

The Blue part is the extended component of our waters and there is no way pipeline could go to India without going through Pakistani waters.

Sometimes i think even India asks God, God why u gave Pakistan the best and left behind what was useless, i.e, india.

Isi leay tau india is always drooling over pakistan.
There can be a pakistan without India, but there cant be an India without Pakistan.

 

[OrionHunter]

Now read this,,,,,,,,,,,,,, slowly.

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone​

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

PREAMBLE TO THE UNITED NATIONS CONVENTION ON THE LAW OF THE SEA

Pakistan can do squat to prevent this pipeline. Your territorial water ends at 12NM. You cannot prevent India or anyone else from laying down a pipeline even 13NM outside your coastline.

Our Pakistani friends were jumping for joy after hearing that India cannot lay a pipeline without the permission of Pakistan!

Now as per Article 58 they can do squat to prevent India from doing so! The bubble has burst, and how!!