India, Iran, Afghanistan to hold talks ahead of NAM summit

[Shardul.....the lion]

Hope all three nations get benefitted by Chahabar port. Its win win situation for three countries.

 

[vsdoc]

Yes I agree.

The ISAF cut off their nose to spite their face by not protecting the road.

What a waste.

Hello page, Doc here

 

[vsdoc]

What is the possibility of the Afghans allowing Iranian troops on to their soil post the US drawdown?

 

[indushek]

I actually don't know how tribal they're, but even if they're less tribal then people of neighboring countries, they're still more tribal than the rest of Iran who have completely erased/lost that culture from their lives. In the rest of Iran you're born into a family and your immediate family are your "people." There are no clans, tribes and the rest of that stupid bull **** you see in countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. By secterian I mean they're considerably more religous than the rest of Iranians and they're also susceptible to wahabi ideology.

And I don't know what you mean by violent, but there's kidnapping and smuggling operations in the area definitly. Iranians love to travel inside the country and most families always leave their own cities and try to go outside the province during holidays. Baluchistan is the only place in Iran where people don't really go to. It's our forgotten province IMO. We just know Baluchistan exists, but we don't hear much about them.

Some facts about the province of Baluchistan:

- Iran's largest province by size.
- Iran's poorest province.
- They have the highest birth rate at above 3+ children per woman compared to a national average of 1.9 per woman.

And yeah, let's hope this creates employment. The govt is also trying to make things better in the province. I don't understand why they don't promote the province internally to increase internal tourism. They have nice beaches. I'll post some some pics later.

Sorry if i sounded rude but the words sectarianism and tribal mindset u noted in your post made me think of large unemployment, nil education and violence etc. It would sound gross generalization true but these are the resulting manifestations of such mindset. By violence i meant more crime rate, and you have said as much in your post.

Hope your government sees to it that the province is better managed and the economic activity would bring prosperity to the people there and minimize the crime rate. This will be a win win for India and Iran along with Afghanistan.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

What i heard was iran treats afghans very badly in iran and theres alot of videos about it.

 

[Serpentine]

What i heard was iran treats afghans very badly in iran and theres alot of videos about it.

Well,enlighten us and bring those videos.

 

[KingMamba]

What is the possibility of the Afghans allowing Iranian troops on to their soil post the US drawdown?

Probably none at all.

 

[FatihSultanMehmet]

Well,enlighten us and bring those videos.

 

[KingMamba]

That first video was disgusting.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

Lets hope fruitful results should come out from this trilateral meeting between India-Iran-Afghanistan.

Win win situation for all of us.

 

[Riteon]

Well,enlighten us and bring those videos.

I dont think Iran treats Non iranis and sunnis equally, hence this is expected

 

[Abii]

@ the troll posting the video.

The first one is from Kerman province and that province has been hit HARD by Afghan drugs. They're the front line defence in Iran when it comes to Afghan drugs. There is a TON of anti-Afghan sentiment as a result in that province. Of course it's not right, but that's the background information.

In the end, we have millions of undocumented Afghans in Iran and they're seen as unwelcome guests by some of the pop'n who are either unemployed or see them as smugglers etc... Afghans are willing to work for 1/3 of the pay and in unsafe conditions. This means that trades jobs have become very hard to find for regular Iranians and they're expected to receive less pay and work in unsafe conditions. On the other hand you have the country filled with almost free and unlimited opium coming in from Afghanistan. People have lost their children to these drugs. We're also losing hundreds of border guards every year fighting smugglers.

In light of the above facts, you can expect bad treatment by some members of our society. But overall, we're basically the same people culturally. Check any Iranian song on youtube and 1/3 of the viewers are always Afghan. Half of us speak the same language etc...

And this picture is also from Iran. People are fighting against racism against Afghans in Iran. It's easy to post only the bad images.

 

[Serpentine]

It's really interesting they ignore many illegal Afghan immigrants who have commited a lot of crimes in Iran and post random videos of how Afghans are treated.This is a one simple incident,this does not prove anything and does not show Iranians treat Afghans bad.

Let me tell you a story about one of my relative's friends who travelled to Turkey/Istanbul for vacation.
He said in the night,in one of less crowded streets of Istanbul,he was walking back to hotel when some Turkish thieves surround him and beat him hard,then take his wallet (apparently,they knew he was not from Turkey).When they start walking away,the man who knew some Anatolian Turkish (He is Azeri),tells them he is also a Turk and can speak their language and that they speak the same language and Turks should not steal from each other and blah blah.The thieves look back,give back his wallet with credit cards in it,but take all the money and tell him,'we did this only because you can speak Turkish'.
Beside the fact that this is clearly racism,Ottoman-Turk,I wanted to say,with this incident,can I refer to all Turks as thieves?is this right?
So why do you post random videos to prove Iranians treat Afghans bad?With one or two videos,you can not prove anything.

 

[Abii]

It's really interesting they ignore many illegal Afghan immigrants who have commited a lot of crimes in Iran and post random videos of how Afghans are treated.This is a one simple incident,this does not prove anything and does not show Iranians treat Afghans bad.

Let me tell you a story about one of my relative's friends who travelled to Turkey/Istanbul for vacation.
He said in the night,in one of less crowded streets of Istanbul,he was walking back to hotel when some Turkish thieves surround him and beat him hard,then take his wallet (apparently,they knew he was not from Turkey).When they start walking away,the man who knew some Anatolian Turkish (He is Azeri),tells them he is also a Turk and can speak their language and that they speak the same language and Turks should not steal from each other and blah blah.The thieves look back,give back his wallet with credit cards in it,but take all the money and tell him,'we did this only because you can speak Turkish'.
Beside the fact that this is clearly racism,Ottoman-Turk,I wanted to say,with this incident,can I refer to all Turks as thieves?is this right?
So why do you post random videos to prove Iranians treat Afghans bad?With one or two videos,you can not prove anything.

My grandma told me a similar story, but hers was from 20-30 years ago. My grandparents were in Turkey for business and they were sight seeing. She said whenever they drove out of the big cities, children and teenagers would throw rocks at their car!!!

When it comes to racism, Turks are famous in the region. They have problems with everyone, be it kurds, persians, greeks, armenians etc... They even have a law where insulting "turkishness" is a punishable crime.

now Ottoman Turk is posting videos about stuff that happens in other countries. They're so delusional.

 

[Desert Fox]

When you have friends like india, who needs an enemy?


India votes against Iran at IAEA - Times Of India

US thanks India for its support in IAEA vote on Iran nuclear issue

India votes against Iran's nuclear programme at IAEA | Day & Night News

India votes against Iran in IAEA resolution - Indian Express

The Hindu : News / National : India votes against Iran in IAEA resolution

A few years old article, but good read:

Why Iran Feels so Hurt and Betrayed by India


NEW DELHI, October 4 (2005): Strikingly similar to the crisis that Iran faced at the IAEA Board meeting in Vienna last weekend, India too found itself in a tight spot in April 1994 at the United Nations Human Rights Commission’s annual session in Geneva.

Curiously, India and Iran found themselves entangled with each other then too, as of now — but with an entirely different body language.

If there is a Shakespearean touch to the sense of betrayal that Iran is so evidently harboring today over India’s vote against it at Vienna, how much of that harks back to silent memories of what had transpired between the two countries in 1994, we shall never quite know.

Persians may find it to be in bad taste to be blunt and forthright on such delicate issues as trust and betrayal.

In April 1994, when the UNHRC was assembling in Geneva, India faced an ugly situation. We were just pulling out of a grave economic crisis (of our own making, though) and were extremely vulnerable to the goodwill of international financial institutions.

More importantly, the Kashmir valley was burning — witnessing some of the bloodiest violence in its unhappy history. The country itself was panting and heaving from the bloodletting of communal violence — hidden medieval passions were tearing it apart.

Back in 1994, India was not yet possessed with the swagger and all-knowing cockiness of its current middle class optimism — or, for that matter, its frightening pragmatism that is determined to make every relationship outright profitable.

Internationally too, the climate was uncertain. Boris Yeltsin’s Russia was lurching toward the West in drunken stupor, and there was a big question mark as to the availability of a ‘Soviet’ veto if the Kashmir file ever again got reopened in the UN’s business dealings.

Technically, if the UNHRC in Geneva adopted a resolution condemning India for grave human rights violations in Jammu and Kashmir, a pathway would have opened for any of India’s detractors (not only Pakistan) for referral of the ‘Kashmir problem’ to the UN in New York. The crisis was comparable to what could happen today if the IAEA indeed decided on a UN Security Council referral apropos of the Iran’s ‘nuclear problem.’

The assessment in the foreign policy establishment in Delhi at that time was that in the event of the Kashmir resolution coming up in Geneva, it had a strong possibility of getting adopted.

The draft resolution enjoyed the support of the 54-member states of the Organization of Islamic conference and possibly some faraway countries in the Western world. Of course, Pakistan was its prime mover.

Thus it was that on a cold wind swept morning in late March in 1994 with the Elbruz Mountain still wrapped in sheets of snow that an Indian military plane landed in Teheran airport bearing the then Indian external affairs minister Dinesh Singh and three accompanying officials from Delhi as his co-passengers.

The minister was visiting Iran to deliver in person an urgent letter from Prime Minister P V Narasimha Rao addressed to Iranian President, Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. Rao was seeking Iran’s last-minute intervention at the OIC with a view to ensuring that the Kashmir resolution did not pass through the UNHRC.

The OIC (like the IAEA) too had a convention that all decisions had to be arrived at through consensus. So, Rao shrewdly assessed that if a prominent OIC member like Iran were to abstain, there would be no ‘consensus.’ Rao was greatly averse to Dinesh Singh undertaking the mission, as the minister was seriously ill from the multiple strokes he had suffered a few months ago.

But Dinesh Singh (“Raja Saheb&#8221 would have no one else undertake such a crucial mission — and Rao reluctantly gave in. Sadly, that also happened to be the last mission undertaken by Dinesh Singh in a diplomatic career spread over five decades.

In fact, after one look at Dinesh Singh alighting from the aircraft, Iranian Foreign Minister Dr Ali Akbar Velayati, who was waiting at the tarmac, impulsively asked what on earth could be of such momentous importance for the minister to undertake such a perilous journey in such a poor state of health.

Dinesh Singh went through his ‘Kashmir brief’ diligently through the day’s meetings with his Iranian interlocutors -– apart from Dr Velayati, President Rafsanjani and the Speaker of the Iranian Majlis Nateq-Nouri. The Iranian side politely noted the minister’s demarche.

All in all, the business was transacted in a matter of 6 or 7 hours. Dinesh Singh left immediately for the airport for his return journey.

As he was emplaning, Dr Velayati who had come to the airport, reached out and holding Dinesh Singh’s hands together in his, said: ‘Ali Hashemi (President Rafsanjani) wanted me to convey his assurance to Prime Minister Rao that Iran will do all it can to ensure that no harm comes to India.’

After the plane took off, Dinesh Singh and his three co-passengers pondered over the import of what Velayati said. Did it mean that Iran would get the OIC resolution watered down? Or, would the resolution leave out any outright condemnation of India that attracted the UN’s wrath?

It took 72 anxious hours more for Delhi to realize that instead of a halfway solution, Iran went ahead with surgical skill and literally killed the OIC move to table the resolution at a UN forum. We heard later that as the Pakistani ambassador sought to move the OIC resolution, his Iranian counterpart in Geneva acted on directives from Teheran and made an intervention.

He said that for Iran, both Pakistan and India were close friends, and Iran would be loathe to the idea that problems between friends could not be sorted out between the two of them, and needed instead to be raised at an international forum.

That was the last time that Pakistan sought to get a resolution over Kashmir issue tabled at a UN forum.

Thus, when the head of Iran’s National Security Council, Ali Larijani said last Tuesday with a palpable sense of hurt: ‘India was our friend. We did not expect India to do so’ — he would have had much more in mind than the ‘shock and awe’ that India administered to Iran last weekend at Vienna.

Larijani’s erudite mind could not have missed the dramatic irony of it all — that Teheran should have salvaged India’s day at the OIC 11 years ago, and Delhi having a sudden, unexplained, inexplicable memory lapse in the IAEA.

And, on both occasions, it boiled down to how to kill a mocking bird — how to keep a festering wound from being prised away for therapy in distant New York.

The writer is a former Indian ambassador with extensive experience in handling India’s relations with Iran.This article first appeared at rediff.com

Why Iran Feels so Hurt and Betrayed by India « South Asia Tribune

Iran has given India many concessions because of it’s unnecessary concerns about Pakistan’s close friendship with Saudi Arabia. Iran even promised Indian navy its ports in case of war with Pakistan, a point that is terribly hurtful to the muslim sentiments of Pakistanis.

For all of its support, Iran in its hour of need has been abandoned by India to side with Americans.


-India has killed off the IPI project due to American pressure and nuclear technology transfer

-Pakistan is keeping its promise on the IP pipeline much to the dissatisfaction of US

-India refused to attend Tehran’s summit on terrorism because of American pressure

-Pakistan’s president accepted the invitation

-India owes Iran 5 billion dollars for oil which it is not paying Iran

-Pakistan continues to defend Iran in international forums

-India did not welcome the 1979 Islamic government

-Pakistan recognized 1979 government immediately

-India voted against Iran in IAEA, Ali Larjani said India was our friend

-Pakistan continues to support Iran irrespective of its relations with Saudis or Americans

Pakistan Iran and Saudis should work towards an entente, to befriend each other in the greater interest of the Islamic world.

Betrayal On Iran: Costs of India-US Partnership