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Fortunately it seems that Bangladesh will do well out of all this provided the slowdown does not exceed more than a year.

Garment purchase orders pour in

More international buyers are coming to Bangladesh despite the global financial recession as they think China, one of the major competitors of Bangladesh, is no more viable for them due to higher prices of apparel items.

"Chinese are no more interested in labour intensive industries like textile and ready-made garment (RMG) sector because of the currency appreciation against the dollar and higher wages of workers," said Rasheduzzaman, a local buyer in Dhaka.

Recently, almost all renowned international retails stores, including Wal-Mart, JC Penny, Marks and Spencer, H and M, Tesco, GAP, Li and Fung, Puma and G-Star, have enhanced their volume of purchase from Bangladesh, said a supplier of the RMG products.

The recent change in the purchase pattern is because Bangladesh is a vital destination for international buyers of readymade garments (RMG) items in the wake of less cost-effectiveness of Chinese apparels.

A strong presence of foreign retail buyers of apparel items from Bangladesh has outshone the growth of local buying houses, as they now focus more on direct purchase from manufacturers, according to sector people.

"Bangladesh is receiving a huge number of orders from international buyers as they have been shifting their orders from China in the age of financial recession," said KI Hossain, owner of Total Apparel, a local buying house.

Up to May, at least 200 new local buying houses have opened in Bangladesh, while the number of such new buying houses was 150 in 2007, said Hossain, also the vice-president of Bangladesh Garment Buying Houses Association (BGBA).

A buying house, a hub for sellers comprising of leading manufacturers, exporters and suppliers, displays their latest and trendiest collection of apparels to a huge audience round the year.

Buyers from across the world can meet sellers at this permanent showroom and source their products as per their exact specifications.

Meanwhile, some international buyers like Sweden based IKEA, a global giant in home textile business, has already opened its liaison office in Dhaka to make any business deal directly with manufacturers.

At the recent inaugural function, the IKEA's local representatives said it would raise its purchases from Bangladesh, mainly home textiles, to 300 million euros from 100 million euros in the next few years.

Talking to The Daily Star, Shahadat Hossain Kiron, chairman of Dekko Group, said although there is no exact statistics of the orders Bangladesh now receive, which are being shifted from China, the country has turned out to be a good destination for outsourcing apparel items.

:The Daily Star: Internet Edition
 
I am not an economist but I still do not think your logic holds. China has enough reserves and momentum to get it through this crisis and adapt itself to the new climate. The Indian economy is nowhere near as resilient as the Chinese one and it will be hit very hard by the global slowdown.

Of course - China sits on a pile of $1.9 Trillion , thats massive by any estimation.

A country remains financially stable as long as Forex reserves stay well above the Fiscal Deficit , that way both India and China need not bother about a Recession like the US , however a slowdown on GDP growth is inevitable.

But for both countries to continue developing at a certain pace , the US and Western Europe hold the key . Indian Economy will come out of it without massive damage because it's demand is a lot domestic driven , global factors play a somewhat limiting role.

Nothing as devastating will happen as in the US , so don't hold you breath.
 
Good to see Bangladesh doing good, that even against China.

But garment industry in Surat in India is dying slowly. :undecided:
 
Of course - China sits on a pile of $1.9 Trillion , thats massive by any estimation.

A country remains financially stable as long as Forex reserves stay well above the Fiscal Deficit , that way both India and China need not bother about a Recession like the US , however a slowdown on GDP growth is inevitable.

But for both countries to continue developing at a certain pace , the US and Western Europe hold the key . Indian Economy will come out of it without massive damage because it's demand is a lot domestic driven , global factors play a somewhat limiting role.

Nothing as devastating will happen as in the US , so don't hold you breath.

Dear Nihat....

Even a small hinderance to our growth means a lot of damage. A lot in real terms though small in relative terms.
But as long as we have some good policymakers we'l do good.
But the need now is to go from India Shining to India Basics. i.e. to reform our basic economics.
 
That'll happen , however it might actually be a good for us .

Housing and Real estate price moderation which was going through the roof by Investments through NRI's

A brake on the Loan mania where people will learn to conserve themselves.

A harder look at domestic Infrastructure.

Companies which have grown out of Debt will be controlled and only strong base players will be left.

Lessen Burden on Energy resources , thereby reducing Fiscal Deficit.

Curbing of Jobs which were really never needed and creation of some Real non duplicated jobs.

After 5 - 6 yrs. of break neck development , I think the world needed this .
 
That'll happen , however it might actually be a good for us .

Housing and Real estate price moderation which was going through the roof by Investments through NRI's

A brake on the Loan mania where people will learn to conserve themselves.

A harder look at domestic Infrastructure.

Companies which have grown out of Debt will be controlled and only strong base players will be left.

Lessen Burden on Energy resources , thereby reducing Fiscal Deficit.

Curbing of Jobs which were really never needed and creation of some Real non duplicated jobs.

After 5 - 6 yrs. of break neck development , I think the world needed this .



Ya and more thing is we should try to remove bottlenecks surrounding our bureaucratic system. That will give more ease to small entrepreneurs.

And i just hope infra is not hit by the crisis. First time gov has waked up to building some good infra. Hope we dont let this opportunity go.
 
We certainly have been affected to a certain extent by this crisis but we will weather this storm.

Mr.Munshi sir,as everybody here put it China is an export driven economy and it will certainly get affected by any US recession as demand for cheap Chinese goods drops.

It will take some time for Chinese economy to be internal driven,driven by primarily domestic consumption.
Right now the Chinese consumer cannot compensate completely for any drop in demand from the West,

However as u rightly pointed out when China becomes less dependent on the west to drive its economy it will become quite dominant.That could take another 10 years.

Indian economy will be the quickest to recover from this.

The Indian GDP growth numbers for the second quarter will be coming out soon then we can see what the damage has been.
 
However as u rightly pointed out when China becomes less dependent on the west to drive its economy it will become quite dominant.That could take another 10 years.

The 10 year prediction was before the present crisis. Things have evened out between the western economies and China.
 
Out of the Asian countries, the country that has suffered the most after the economic meltdown in the west, is undoubtedly China. Thousands of factories have closed down after the meltdown there, the economy stimulus package released the the Chinese govt. has given fresh hope to the economy of China, as it heavily depends on exports to USA and Europe, which have dropped drastically because of the lack of demand due to the economic meltdown in that part of the world. Asian countries face a high risk of a economic meltdown themselves, with Japan and Singapore already falling into recession.

India INC. undoubtedly be effected by the meltdown, espically after more Indian brands have gone global, like Tata, which is into steel, telecommunications, mining, outsourcing, etc.. and Mahindra, Aditiya Birla group, Mittal steels, every body were focussed on international brands with many highprofile deals..they will feel the pinch, but, many are looking at this meltdown as an opportunity to buy.But, the demand in India is showing no signs to slow down, prices of steel, cement and various construction materials are expected to come down as these companies are trying to divert the materials into Indian markets,to compensate for the drop in demand in the overseas market, thereby promoting realestate in India. Budget housing for the middle class seems to be the inn-thing now. The real estate sector looks promising in India, India will continue to grow in excess of 7% despite the slowdown.

As for Bangladesh, I was impressed with the kind of progress Bangladesh is doing, they are doing great in the textile business. The textile industry is driving investment into the Bangla economy, it's doing great. Not sure how hard the slowdown is going to hit Bangladesh, but I am optimistic about its growth.
 
The only sectors that India has penetrated the West is in IT and certain metal industries so its exposure compared to China is far less. However, most of the Indian growth is based on these two sectors and if these are badly hit by the slowdown there is nothing else the Indians can offer to support its economy. China has a far more varied and diversified economy and will initially be hit hard by the slow down but since it has a very large cushion in terms of its foreign reserves it can weather the storm for many months with out excessive damage.
 
The only sectors that India has penetrated the West is in IT and certain metal industries so its exposure compared to China is far less. However, most of the Indian growth is based on these two sectors and if these are badly hit by the slowdown there is nothing else the Indians can offer to support its economy. China has a far more varied and diversified economy and will initially be hit hard by the slow down but since it has a very large cushion in terms of its foreign reserves it can weather the storm for many months with out excessive damage.

AFAIK, Indian IT has been not affected badly and there is news that it might actually grow more than before owing to more outsourcing by American companies to cut the costs. One has to also remember that India has many other sectors for generating money such as Pharmacy, Biotechnology, Real Estate, Agriculture etc. As long as Indian domestic consumption is good, any fears of recession can be put away.
 
This is another take on the whole issue but it could be unduly pessimistic or just wishful thinking on the part of the Americans. Only time will tell -

Why Beijing Is In A Risky Place

As the factory to the world, China may be the nation most vulnerable to collapsing global demand.

By George Wehrfritz | NEWSWEEK

Published Nov 22, 2008

Workers are losing factory jobs at the fastest rate in decades. Automakers—having failed to anticipate today's sales slump—are lobbying politicians for bailouts. The stock market is a crash heap, home prices are down by 35 percent or more in many cities and toxic assets have begun to weigh heavily on banks. America in 2008? Try China, where the global economic downturn now looks certain to end the country's 30-year growth boom, posing the greatest leadership challenge to Beijing since pro-democracy demonstrations threatened one-party communist rule back in 1989.

That's not the conventional take on China—yet. But with most industrialized countries now in recession and countries the world over hoping against hope that the planet's most buoyant major economy might somehow dampen the global downturn, it's a forecast that increasingly rings true. The reasoning goes something like this: China, despite its deep pool of savings and $2 trillion in foreign reserves, is unprotected from the fall in global demand that began in earnest in mid-2008. Notwithstanding all the hoopla about the rise of China's billion consumers, the body blow that's now landing in the industrial heartland will debunk the notion that China has already begun transitioning toward a new growth model based less on exports and investment and more on household consumption. "We would love to believe it too, but it just ain't so," wrote Standard Chartered bank's highly respected China economist, Stephen Green, last month. He says expecting Chinese spending to save the world from recession is "a pipe dream."

With China at the vanguard, Asia as a whole stands dangerously exposed to external shock. Since the late 1990s, household consumption as a share of China's GDP has fallen from roughly half to 35 percent. On the flip side, the share of Asia ex-Japan's output devoted to exports is now more than 45 percent, or roughly 10 points higher than it was on the eve of the 1997–98 Asian financial crisis. When juxtaposed with America's debt-driven gluttony, Asia's puny appetite for the goods it produces reflects a global economy that's staggeringly out of whack. "We are where we are because of massive imbalances that policymakers and politicians have allowed to build up over the last decade," argues Stephen Roach, chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia. "Those imbalances were never sustainable, but the longer they went on the more they seduced people. And now we're paying the ultimate price for that seduction."

The tab, in fact, has yet to be tallied, but don't be surprised if Beijing gets stuck with the biggest portion of the bill for the simple reason that China's rebalancing act is actually much tougher than America's. For U.S. households, today's crisis means saving more and consuming less (recent consumption data suggests that is happening quite rapidly). Yet in China, where total household consumption is just 5 percent of America's by value, the challenge is to sustain an economy that's largely investment- and export-driven, which means finding ways to perpetuate industrial overproduction. Michael Pettis, a professor of finance at Peking University, says America found itself in the same bind back in 1929. "The U.S. in the 1920s ran a huge trade surplus and had the largest reserves in history to that point," he says. "So was the U.S. immune to the global crisis? No. It was the country that suffered the most. In that sense it is exactly like China today."

Beijing realizes the growth trap it's in. Why else would it unveil on Nov. 10 a $590 billion stimulus plan—a package nearly as large as Washington's $700 billion financial bailout—just days after it announced that China's economy expanded by 9 percent in the July–September quarter? The consensus view is that China's economy has slowed markedly since then. Year-on-year growth estimates for 2009 are mostly in the 7s, with the latest forecasts adding the scary caveat, "or less." This month the Royal Bank of Scotland said 5 percent growth in China next year couldn't be ruled out. China's economy, which grew by 11.9 percent last year, hasn't dipped below 6 percent annually since 1990.

Beijing's stimulus plan has won plaudits internationally not least because it indicates that Chinese leaders won't stand idly by as the crisis deepens. But just as in Washington at the beginning of the Great Depression, policy miscues could cost China dearly—especially if they undermine the global trading regime that China's economy relies on more heavily than any other major economy in the world. In the early 1930s, America's self-defeating mistake was to cut off world trade, particularly in the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, at a time when it was the leading exporter in a world burdened by massive industrial overproduction. Today, China is the lead exporter, the world again faces massive overproduction, and the mistake Beijing must avoid is moving too hard to sell more manufactured exports at the risk of flooding an already weak market, and triggering a protectionist backlash. That will only push the global market toward deflation—the downward spiral of falling prices leading to falling demand, as stressed consumers wait for even better bargains.

The doubts about China's stimulus plan arise in part because it's all broad strokes with no fine print. Conceptually, however, it seems intended to split the difference between promoting consumption at home, and export sales. It includes commitments to fund rural infrastructure, boost social spending on health and education, and mount an "economic housing" scheme for migrant workers in major cities—all of which, if implemented, would raise household spending over time. But it also contains perks for heavy industry, value-added tax cuts for the export sector and lending provisions that will channel bank funding to state enterprises engaged in road and rail construction and away from private companies. "The two focuses are definitely exports and infrastructure. That's what we're getting from everything we're picking up," says Green. "And that the health and education spending, although it has been listed as one of the eight priorities, is not going to be [well] supported." Economists estimate that only a quarter of the $590 billion is new money as opposed to previously announced spending, future tax cuts and unfunded mandates passed down to local governments. There's reason to expect that much of the promised social spending—and the consumer empowerment it represents—may not materialize. One warning signal is that Beijing has entrusted much of the safety net stuff to the provinces, which historically have put a low priority on building schools, unless the order to do so comes with earmarked funding from Beijing. One new concern: local tax revenues are shrinking due to the economic downturn. Roach says investment in the social safety net would "reduce the precautionary saving that is inhibiting broad-based consumption growth across the nations [of Asia]," though he adds: "China has from time to time flirted with that, but they really have dragged their feet."

To understand the linkage between social services and household consumption, visit a Chinese hospital. At check-in, patients are required to deposit money up-front, and when that funding runs dry they're tossed out onto the street, healthy or not. According to the World Health Organization, China spends less than 1 percent of its GDP on health care, which ranks it 156th out of 196 nations the U.N. agency tracks. Likewise, poor kids can't attend school without paying fees, and most migrants are uninsured against job-site accidents at any price. Families cope by saving an estimated 25 percent of their disposable income, just in case.

That isn't a social contract conducive to the "harmonious society" President Hu Jintao has advocated since 2006, or so concludes a new report co-produced by the United Nations Development Program and the China Institute for Reform and Development. It calls on China to overhaul its social-welfare system to provide universal basic health care, education, unemployment and retirement benefits for the country's 1.3 billion people. It stresses the need to vest forgotten segments of society including farmers, migrant workers and the poor. And it claims that such expenditures—which it estimates would cost $55 billion a year—actually offer a bigger bang for the buck than would the construction of new roads, railways and bridges.

The risk today (and it's one that's already materializing in a mounting exodus from shuttered factories in Guangdong province) is that these workers could, like the boxcar-hopping hobos of America's Depression era, become the flotsam and jetsam of the economic bust. Almost since China's reforms began three decades ago, Beijing insisted that sustaining economic growth rates above 8 percent was paramount to employing the millions of workers pouring in from inland villages. The further growth drops below that level, the higher the percentage of an estimated 15 million workers entering the labor force each year lands in the ranks of the unemployed. Yet even as policymakers stoked fast growth with every means at their disposal, little was done to transform these workers into foot soldiers of a different sort: new consumers with sufficient social protections to save less and spend more.

The prescription for change has been obvious since the late 1990s. It includes balanced growth between booming east and lagging west; efforts to narrow the yawning income gap between China's superrich and everyone else; and policies that channel the massive earnings logged by the state-owned conglomerates that dominate China Inc. back into government coffers to fund social spending. Yet campaigns with names like Go West meant to spur investment in the hinterland never amounted to more than propaganda exercises, and a long-mulled plan for the government to charge state companies dividend on their huge profits remains a small-scale experiment. In October, Standard Chartered noted a "gulf between aspirations and actual policies" illustrated by Beijing's long-standing bias toward investment and exports, and support for "state-protected oligopolies." Pettis argues that Beijing's persistent mercantilism has prepared it for the wrong crisis—specifically, an external debt shock akin to the one that ravaged Asia in 1997-98, against which China's huge savings and foreign reserve pools would make it "superbly protected." Yet as with America in 1929, China is the nation most exposed in the world to a collapse in global demand today.

As such, Beijing finds itself in a fix as 2008 winds to an ignominious close. Export promotion offers a viable short-term means of keeping the factories of China running—yet grabbing more market share amid a global downturn is the surest way to incite protectionism. During the recent gathering of G20 leaders in Washington, much public emphasis was placed on shoring up the global financial architecture and defending free trade. Yet former New Zealand prime minister Mike Moore, who headed the World Trade Organization from 1999 to 2002, believes the backroom talks focused on the imperative that Asia not try to export its way out of today's crisis. It was "the elephant in the room; how China, and to a lesser extent India and the Southeast Asians, must become consuming countries," he says. "It's overwhelmingly in [their] interest to become a lot less reliant on exports, and it also does right by the people they represent. Not to do it could trigger something that's very, very unpleasant." Global trade slumped 70 percent in the 1930s, and any return to the virulent economic nationalism of that era "would turn crisis into catastrophe," warns Moore.

That presents Beijing with a leadership challenge very different from the one it confronted with tanks and soldiers in 1989. Today, it must work to maintain enough harmony in the global trade arena so as not to lose access to vital overseas markets, while telling the Chinese people that fast growth isn't their birthright. In essence, Beijing must offer a new social contract in which consumption bolstered with a social safety net replaces the export-driven growth engine that has powered China's economy for 30 years. FDR did that in America in the 1930s, but it took a decade. Might China's leaders fare any better? In the late 1990s, then Premier Zhu Rongji refrained from devaluing China's currency when many of its neighbors did so; the decision lost China some export momentum but gained its leadership a reputation for responsible global action. Today's leaders have maintained that reputation, but given the enormity of the economic challenges at hand, the only safe bet is that their helmsmanship will be tested to the extreme in 2009. Especially if the pessimists are correct and China's economy grinds to a halt.

China's Economic Slowdown | Newsweek International Edition | Newsweek.com
 
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^^^ This is what I was trying to say, things dont come out of China that easily, but, from my friends there (We operate a facility in China), things are really down at the moment, approx, 1.5 million people have lost jobs due to the slowdown, this coming just as China was trying to re-coup from the devestating earthquake. The situation is creating worker-riots in some places due to the mass lay-offs.

In India also, the major IT companies are playing it safe, they are not laying off anybody but, they ar'nt taking in fresh employees. Earlier it was very easy for a fresh engineering graduate to find a job in any multi-nationals, now only the best students are being taken in only during campus recrutment. But, call-centre jobs are plenty available, they are still hiring.

The plus point with India is that all its eggs ar'nt in one basket.
 
Plus we must not forget the fact that India still depends a lot on its farmers,agriculture contributes significantly to Indian economy.

Due to good monsoons and other reasons we are expecting a good growth in agriculture.

The figures coming in now look good for agriculture.
 
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