India in talks for a second nuke sub lease: Russian envoy

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India in talks for 2nd nuke sub lease: Russian envoy

In a bid to bolster its Defence and strategic reserves, India is in talks with Russia for buying various military products. Russian Ambassador to India Alexander M Kadakin told The Pioneer that the two sides are actively negotiating on the purchase of S-400 Russian air defence missiles for protection of Indian cities from any possible attacks from outside. Besides, India is negotiating for taking on lease another nuclear submarine from Russia. India is also looking at buying some more MiG 29K fighters for INS Vikramaditya, India’s largest Naval ship and aircraft carrier, bought from Russia, the envoy said.


Speaking on the eve of Russia’s Diplomats’ Day, Kadakin said India-Russia defence relationship has been on a constant rise over the years. The ambassador added that India-Russia relationship is independent of their relations with other countries, and it remains on a stable and strong footing. “We do not feel jealous when India acquires military hardware from other countries for its strategic needs. India is a superpower in the making and we have worked always with India in military, industry and scientific areas to see it as strong as it is today,” Kadakin said.


“Please name a country that can lease a nuclear submarine,” he added to underline Russia’s partnership with India. India is one of the six countries in the world apart from Russia, the United States of America, China, the United Kingdom and France to deploy nuclear-powered submarines.


This is the first time there has been an official confirmation about lease of second nuke submarine even though speculation is rife about India seeking another one from Russia after the success of INS Chakra, the Akula Class submarine that has been on lease from Russia for ten years. “The hull of the submarine is ready but it has to be refurbished as per Indian needs after the talks are concluded,” Kadakin said on the second nuclear submarine.


INS Chakra was inducted into Indian Navy about four years back. Satisfied with its performance, India is now looking at adding more to its fleet. Already India-made nuke-powered sub INS Arihant is undergoing sea trials. INS Arihant is made with technical support from Russia and India plans to make more such in future.


Kadakin said an agreement is also being worked out for making spare parts of Sukhoi aircraft in India. Besides, Russia will soon open at least four service centres in India for the Su-30 MKI jets to help resolve the maintenance issues of the plane. As of now Hindustan Aeronautic Limited (HAL) runs the only overhauling facility for the Sukhois in India. India has about 200 Su-30 MKI jets. Kadakin said an agreement for service centre is being finalised and will be announced soon.


Interestingly, India’s shopping list has a lot of Make in India component in it. “Our Defence relationship is completely in tune with Make in India Sukhoi spare parts will be made in India. Besides, India and Russia have already concluded a deal for Kamov Ka-226 helicopters. Russia will help India produce 200 of these machines through HAL,” Kadakin said.


Apart from strengthening India’s military capacity, Kadakin said Russia is also working its way with Pakistan to prevent cross border terror attacks on India. “We have tried to influence Pakistan to check trans-border terrorism and have spent a lot of energy in directing its efforts in the right direction. We want Pakistan to play much more proactive role in fighting terrorism,” Kadakin said.


Allaying Indian concerns on Russia selling four Mi-35 attack helicopters to Pakistan, Kadakin said Russia will not do even “one milimetre of action” that is detrimental to its “old and strategic partnership” with India. “There should be no worries for India. India has received 151 of Mi-17 helicopters and will be producing several more,” the envoy said.

 

[kaykay]

Few points based on this article.
*S-400 under negotiations.
*Another Akula SSN under negotiations.
*More Mig-29Ks for navy under negotiations.
*Russia to open 4 service centres in India for Su-30MKIs and other Russian aircrafts(apart from HAL).
* 200 Ka-226Ts to be made in India.

 

[Oracle 33]

I heard we might be getting a new gen sub not a akula class

 

[PARIKRAMA]

• Strong up in arms action by Russian lobby..
• Good time for us to do shopping Russian goodies..
• also use this opportunity to tighten our position in other deals with countries like France for Rafales..

 

[kaykay]

I heard we might be getting a new gen sub not a akula class

I think Russia is not gonna lease Yasen class yet. Akula is our best bet for now.

 

[vayuputhra]

Many fan boys were proposing that the relationship between India and Russia is reducing, very soon Russian toys will be replaced by EU and Americans, its not going to happen in next decade, because they are involved in too important and strategic matters, like how the Israelis are with america or even more, even the EU or the Americans will never give or share their tech, america does not gives its latest tech to its allies so leave alone India, apart from all these we have to build our own toys, we are already late due to licence raj and corruption and negligence towards our defence PSU's from 60 years for greed of getting commission from imports has crippled our indigenous industry.

 

[Oracle 33]

I think Russia is not gonna lease Yasen class yet. Akula is our best bet for now.

You never know the way the Russian economy is bleeding they might lease as a new build but even with the akula i would be really happy.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

I heard we might be getting a new gen sub not a akula class

I think Russia is not gonna lease Yasen class yet. Akula is our best bet for now.

The media like to masala up everything. No Yasen coming , period.

Actually the boats which are on offer are of Akula 1/Akula 1 improved class, except the incomplete hull. The leasing of pre built akula will require their upgradation to Akula 2 standards which at present Navy uses. And that includes a lot of things, many equipments etc . And Russians referred to this as Heavily upgraded Akula , which our media connected to Yasen.
The incomplete hull , if we go for that, will be the most advanced akula as it will be getting VLS too. Apart from Sonars / electronics which may be similar to the one being produced for new Russian SSN/SSBN fleet.

 

[Oracle 33]

The media like to masala up everything. No Yasen coming , period.

Actually the boats which are on offer are of Akula 1/Akula 1 improved class, except the incomplete hull. The leasing of pre built akula will require their upgradation to Akula 2 standards which at present Navy uses. And that includes a lot of things, many equipments etc . And Russians referred to this as Heavily upgraded Akula , which our media connected to Yasen.
The incomplete hull , if we go for that, will be the most advanced akula as it will be getting VLS too. Apart from Sonars / electronics which may be similar to the one being produced for new Russian SSN/SSBN fleet.

This irbis hull is sitting idle for god knows how many years, you think rust and decay is a factor why we have not proceeded with it? Russia lost alot of its key engineers after the Soviet breakup I hope they can do a good job in getting this hull sorted.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

This irbis hull is sitting idle for god knows how many years, you think rust and decay is a factor why we have not proceeded with it? Russia lost alot of its key engineers after the Soviet breakup I hope they can do a good job in getting this hull sorted.

The hulls used for first new SSBNs of Russia were in a more worse situation.
This is not a big issue.

Actually we will need upto 4~6 SSNs by 2025 to cater to our 2 CBGs and SSBNs effectively.
Our Indian SSN project is still some time far away. But the need is not immediate. So not much is coming out.

But by the last quarter of 2016, I think we will agree for 2 upgraded platforms. ( There are 2 others boats which were under overhaul and will have almost completed their overhauls by this year end , other than the talked about K322)

 

[Oracle 33]

The hulls used for first new SSBNs of Russia were in a more worse situation.
This is not a big issue.

Actually we will need upto 4~6 SSNs by 2025 to cater to our 2 CBGs and SSBNs effectively.
Our Indian SSN project is still some time far away. But the need is not immediate. So not much is coming out.

But by the last quarter of 2016, I think we will agree for 2 upgraded platforms. ( There are 2 others boats which were under overhaul and will have almost completed their overhauls by this year end , other than the talked about K322)

The french are helping brazil with their nuclear sub project we should get them on board of course they might secretly help also with the miniaturisation but...it must be done covertly.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

The french are helping brazil with their nuclear sub project we should get them on board of course thssnsght secretly help also with the miniaturisation but...it must be done covertly.

First IN needs to lock up their specifications , only then we can proceed further.

I was conveyed that after the 3rd SSBN is launched the program of SSNs, will move ahead. Mean by 2018.

 

[Oracle 33]

First IN needs to lock up their specifications , only then we can proceed further.

I was conveyed that after the 3rd SSBN is launched the program of SSNs, will move ahead. Mean by 2018.

Even project 75 is taking ages we don't even know the candidates selected but we should get 3 more scorps and those Japanese diesel subs are really sophisticated i think Australia is going for them also.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

Even project 75 is taking ages we don't even know the candidates selected but we should get 3 more scorps and those Japanese diesel subs are really sophisticated i think Australia is going for them also.

Australia will see a competition between France/ Germany and Japan. And if its fair, it will be the Germans winning.

Being big is not being the best.

 

[Oracle 33]

Australia will see a competition between France/ Germany and Japan. And if its fair, it will be the Germans winning.

Being big is not being the best.

Its not just about size the Japanese have probably the best silencing technology out there, interesting fact is the akula 2 contains some Japanese tech

Also Japanese are prepared to provide Australia technology including the stealth features.