INDIA in Serious troubles!! Kashmir unrest and worsening situation for indian muslims throughout cou

[Hellfire]

The flags are usually not paid. Stone pelters get Rs. 5000.

Since when? Rate was 100 rs to throw stones , if army gives to throw at hurriyat then it is 500 rs ... rates have gone up in last few years?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Since when? Rate was 100 rs to throw stones , if army gives to throw at hurriyat then it is 500 rs ... rates have gone up in last few years?

During elections or when there is a high level visit, the rate increases.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Yes. Latest peshkash being Orlando. Actions. Yesterday, closer home also some Islamists were put to rest in Kashmir by CRPF.

Don't worry, you shall have your days of glory. Your lot, I am sure will put all these Islamists to shame and replace them on International front, It's just local for now though...

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sorry i was not able to get that 370 number point, cant connect it to anything in my memory. At least can put my finger on it!

When the Maharaja acceded to India, as in most other cases of accession, he used the form given for this in the Government of India Act, 1935, which served as the Constitution for both Dominions, India and Pakistan, until they could give themselves their own constitutions. This form, and the act of accession, came about from the preliminary political activity prior to this Act, which gave the princes an opportunity to join the central government visualised under the Act, and thereby get to get themselves and their principalities various advantages, on par with the provinces which had their own provincial governments under the Act.

None of the princes exercised their rights under the Act, at any time during the 12 year interval between the Act and independence, or, if you wish, the India Independence Act, 1947 (these two Acts were among the biggest and most sweeping in scope of British parliamentary legislation at that point of time). The princes, the Nizam prominently among them, probably hoped to improve their position beyond what they themselves had agreed upon during the first Round Table Conference; unfortunately, far from improving their position, they managed only to worsen this, and were confronted by a stark alternative in 1947: a withdrawal of the protection of British suzerainty, and a choice between joining Pakistan and joining India.

With this background, the Maharaja acceded to India very, very late in the day, after rebellion had effectively stripped him of power over west Jammu, what is today called Azad Kashmir, and was to strip him, within days of his accession, of Gilgit-Baltistan. Even at this point, he formally, in his accession document, agreed to cede sovereignty to India only with respect to defence, communications and foreign affairs. He retained the rest for himself.

This was in October of 1947. In May of the following year, he promulgated an Order, in effect, a sovereign direction, summoning a constituent assembly of his subjects to form a constitution for the government of the state. When he did that, for all practical purposes, he signalled his intention to leave the residual sovereign powers that he had reserved to himself to be exercised through the constitution that the constituent assembly would put together. Constitutionally, legally, that is what happened, and in a constitutional and legal sense, that intention, and the assembling of the constituent assembly and its work and finally its dissolution of itself, and the adoption by the Maharaja's representative, his heir and regent, means that all sovereign powers over the state of Jammu and Kashmir for defence, communications and foreign affairs passed to India; all the rest passed to the people of Jammu and Kashmir.

In 1948, when the Maharaja passed his Order for the summoning and election of the constituent assembly, the Indian Constituent Assembly itself had just started work. It was clear that the process of creating two constitutions almost simultaneously would need some kind of buffer mechanism, to ensure that the two frameworks did not impinge on each other and did not clash. The Indian side was ahead in terms of time, also in terms of activity, and, in fact, went on to finish its work by 1949, allowing the Constitution to be adopted in January 1950. Kashmir, on the other hand, was much slower, right from the outset. It was completed in November 1957, and adopted on the 26th January 1958.

What the Indian constitution-makers did was this:

In the Indian Constitution, all powers of the state, all sovereign rights, were divided into three lists, the central list, which the government at the centre would exercise over all of the Dominion of India, to become the Republic of India once the constitution was adopted; the concurrent list, consisting of subjects over which either the centre or any of the provinces could act; and the states list, over which only the provinces had any legislative power. For all other parts of the republic of India, this Constitution wrote down that the powers of the provinces should be shifted to the concurrent list, or to the central list, and the powers contained in the concurrent list should be shifted to the central list by a very simple mechanism.

In the case of Jammu and Kashmir, as an exception, it was laid down that the powers of that state only could be transferred to either the concurrent list or the central list ONLY with the formal consent of the state. This is Article 370 of the Indian Constitution.

As for the "generalization" that is exactly my point. Why is that the small number of Muslims in Kashmir (compared to rest of India) according to you are motivated by religious values to be united with Pakistan while the rest of the Muslims are all OK with India? There MUST be something wrong in that divide. (actually, it was religion that mainly decided the partition so i agree you are right, Religion is what makes them our part, we have been saying this from day one. The Muslim majority areas were to be part to be Pakistan. The details are of trivial importance here as i am not basing my argument on that).

We both know that we cannot compare these to ISIL or other terrorist groups like this. There is no real comparison of the numbers and also the support base is totally different. There is something wrong here, politically, geographically or religiously,,,, may be all. Whatever it is, be sure that it wont resolve ITSELF and something will have to be done by concerned parties to settle this issue.

I will comment on the other points made only if you wish me to do so.

 

[Dandpatta]

Bhaijaan, there is a difference between Gorillas and Guerillas.

Gorilla fighters, yes---may be.
Gorilla fighting as in urban warfare, No.

 

[Arsalan]

Bhaijaan, there is a difference between Gorillas and Guerillas.

Exactly bahi jan,
i understood you post staying "once I read that line, I knew the cerebral quality of the author of that report" the first time.

The Urban Guerilla warfare is something that IA have no real experience in.

I will comment on the other points made only if you wish me to do so.

What makes you think i wont want to listen to that as well?

It is good to hear the other side of the story. We may believe in different things to be true and have different point of view about the issue. We may consider totally opposite things to be the right or unjust. Still there is no harm in listening to what other have to say. No matter what the conclusion of this debate is, non of us will give up there claim on Kashmir so yes, i will surely like to read what you have to say on this. I might not agree (most probable wont in this case) but i wont be stubborn either.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The Urban Guerilla warfare is something that IA have no real experience in.

Wrong. Even the Punjab Police is well versed with urban guerrillas. Sopore, Ganderbal etc are small towns only. In the nineties, the villages were quiet and the cities were restive. There were mostly engagements in urban areas, including in South Srinagar.

The mujaheedin got decimated in those engagements.

Since then they seek battles only in isolated locations and hit and run attacks in villages, close to forests etc.

Don't worry, you shall have your days of glory. Your lot, I am sure will put all these Islamists to shame and replace them on International front, It's just local for now though...

Terrorist attacks = days of glory?

Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion... zzzzz

 

[The_Showstopper]

Terrorist attacks = days of glory?

Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion... zzzzz

Was Naroda Patiya massacre, Best bakery attacks etc also terrorist attacks?

Religion? Where is it?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Was Naroda Patiya massacre, Best bakery attacks etc also terrorist attacks?

Religion? Where is it?

Obviously.

Religion? Tu rehn de...

 

[The_Showstopper]

Obviously.

Religion? Tu rehn de...

Kya baat hai.. Lagta hai aaj toh tu ganga snaan kar hee lega

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Kya baat hai.. Lagta hai aaj toh tu ganga snaan kar hee lega

Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion Religion zzzzz

 

[danger007]

Was Naroda Patiya massacre, Best bakery attacks etc also terrorist attacks?

Religion? Where is it?

stop it.. lets not fight in kashmir issue...

 

[Arsalan]

Wrong. Even the Punjab Police is well versed with urban guerrillas. Sopore, Ganderbal etc are small towns only. In the nineties, the villages were quiet and the cities were restive. There were mostly engagements in urban areas, including in South Srinagar.

The mujaheedin got decimated in those engagements.

Since then they seek battles only in isolated locations and hit and run attacks in villages, close to forests etc.

OK, well i may be wrong in this case.
Good if they are well trained.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

stop it.. lets not fight in kashmir issue...

Both are religious issues.

 

[danger007]

Both are religious issues.

Well it depends... am surprised when i came to know BJP alliance in JK which i didn't expected... I don't see any progress in this alliance.. It might be religious... but we shouldn't give chance to the vultures... who are waiting for opportunity, to exploit more and more... am not sure what BJP want to try ... but not going on right track...