INDIA in Serious troubles!! Kashmir unrest and worsening situation for indian muslims throughout cou

[Dash]

I have always been a beleiver of "One mans terrorist is other man's freedom fighter"
So what is the argument?
A life lost is a life lost sir.


There are threads about this very thing, who soldiers don't hate other soldiers and other things. Frankly, what i have deduced from my friends in military, they do not hate the Indian soldiers but the do hate the TTP goons. Something to do with professionalism i suppose.



The first 8 words are the key, for me, this is what is being tried by India. For you it will be other way around. As i said, i wont expect nothing less from a patriotic India but you can deny what is a fact from our perspective. In fact, you may try and deny it but that wont matter to us, i hope you understand.


Again sir, who is misguided here will always remain a debate that wont have any winners. For them/us/me, the whole issue is that this beautiful place is under occupation. Again, agree to disagree as this is something we have fought wars on so do not expect that it will resolve itself. With no serious effort to do so, the problem will remain the same for some time whether we chose to accept it or not.


If he is involved in a serious sensible debate, at least do not poke him and bring him to the same level as yourself sir. Just a request.

That sentence there one man's terrorist is a true definition of a terrorist. It's always some man's terrorist. Who acts at the behest of flawed design of an evil man and a vested interest.

Terrorism is always inflicted upon as a weapon of destruction. In practical sense the person responsible for creating terror and terrorist is driven by wrong agenda and non of the people we see in Kashmir or supporter from our neighborhood is a saint. They feed misinformation and boil tension to a problem they feel couldn't achive their personal objective.

 

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Plus i will surely thank @zebra7 and @-xXx- for there valuable input. While i may not agree with some of there views, i sure do respect the way they talk about them. Thank you both.

I have not much to differ in principle with you, after all humanity don't vary across borders. Its just we see things through our national interest more than we should. But then its human trait to show their allegiance.

After all nationalism is the next screwed tool after religion.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Sir, I cannot justify the acts such as burning of Schools, Cinema halls, public places, hospitals, telephone exchanges, TV towers, Which was done in the start so that the people remain illeterate, ignorant, and placing RDX time bombs in the middle of the crowded market as the act of the struggle for Justice or the Independence struggle.

Now you might have realized till now, that I know the real groung reality, because I have been there and spend my good share of life there, the freedom fighting is no where close to what you are predicting.

The real Freedom fighters are long laid their weapons, and now they are playing their political power game, and what is left is just the jest of making some instance, which is termed as terrorism, yes according to most of the world, and then that small instance is shown with high contrast to create an impression that Kashmir is burning.

The ground reality is that only few people is needed to raise the Pakistani or ISIS flag in the Lal Chock and hide behind the public group to show that people wants to join the Pakistan, because they knew even if they are apprehended, they will be held with the judicial procedure, and not the military way. Heck I can assure you there are several times more death in the states like U.P and Bihar than the Kashmir.



Here is a wake up call for you. The Kashmiri people wants independence, and not the Pakistan, but they are already Independent, getting the previlage of 370, and their own government and hell lot of budget approved from the center. What you fail to understand is that India is the country with so many languages, culture, religion, that if it starts giving independence to everyone than there would be no India left, and Unity in Diversity is our culture and Power.

The biggest problem in Kashmir is religion. A kemal is needed there. BJP also seems to have fallen on love with kursi in jnk at any cost. Only Indians will pay for their folly.

is poisoning the well of discourse. There have been acts of terrorism from Kashmiri groups (Kaluchak massacre, Qasim Nagar massacre etc), but attacking military or police forces is not terrorism. It's militancy, or insurgency.

Not sure you are aware but there is an unofficial embargo on the reporting of non military deaths in the valley. Even CRPF deaths or the deaths of informers are glossed over. Only army deaths are reported. So that morale is not hampered.

What I mean is that the targeted killings happen all the time. Just that they are barely reported on the national press.

I have not much to differ in principle with you, after all humanity don't vary across borders. Its just we see things through our national interest more than we should. But then its human trait to show their allegiance.

After all nationalism is the next screwed tool after religion.

Imagine if India concedes and gives Kashmir full autonomy is secession of illegal.

Do you know what will happen?

It will be a victory of blatant Muslim majoritarianism. Disgusted Hindus will then spontaneously cleanse all Muslims from rest of the States in response and no body would be able to prevent all of India from becoming Muslimfrei. That will be the end of Bharatvarsha. Even the end of the good name of Dharma. Hinduism, Buddhism etc will be bracketed info the same category as that of conquering faiths. In essence, the end of Dharma.

 

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Imagine if India concedes and gives Kashmir full autonomy is secession of illegal.

Do you know what will happen?

It will be a victory of blatant Muslim majoritarianism. Disgusted Hindus will then spontaneously cleanse all Muslims from rest of the States in response and no body would be able to prevent all of India from becoming Muslimfrei. That will be the end of Bharatvarsha. Even the end of the good name of Dharma. Hinduism, Buddhism etc will be bracketed info the same category as that of conquering faiths. In essence, the end of Dharma.

But but where from my posts did you get that impression that I will let bigotry win even an inch of what we call India?

 

[volatile]

We will. Lands won't change. But settle we will. In time.

Yeah we all know

 

[ayesha.a]

I'm travelling from tomorrow, and don't want to get involved, but there is much I agree with, much I disagree with in your post. Sadly, I am back only on Saturday, after an urgent family conference, where my presence was demanded.



I believe you mean Article 370.

Would love to hear your views, especially the parts you disagree with. Hope you can find time to post, whenever you are less busy.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wow, i had no idea that the situation there is so bad the people will go out killing others for as low as 10000 Rs. Sad Indeed. I though i would enjoy such a list but this makes me sad. Quite bad situation.

monetising the human life
this is sad

 

[Joe Shearer]

That was typo, thanx for correcting it.

Looking forward to you. You know very well I am not a good intellectual like you, just trying to copy you

I loved your posts. Especially the scrupulous politeness with which you addressed Arsalan, who deserves it fully. We have much to learn from the Pakistanis in this respect (excepting some recent kids).

There is a difference in nature of these populations. One part because of magic number 370 and other you may not like but external. There are factors which drive nature and few sections, geographies and histories are more susceptible to extremism than others. Off course in Kashmir, they find enough material to burn. The semblance can be seen when ghetto-isation happens even in deep of India and people are cut from main stream.

I belong to Aligarh and I have seen the difference from close quarters.

We have too many muslims in world, not everyone feels like ISIS or associate with them. We need no generalization.

PS: No offence taken, none expected either.

Champ, I couldn't understand this post. Honest.

Why did you suddenly go off the rails? You were doing so well. :-(

 

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Champ, I couldn't understand this post. Honest.

Why did you suddenly go off the rails? You were doing so well. :-(

Which part sir?

I was simply addressing why we see different behaviour or nature in kashmiri muslims and muslims from other part of India even though shared by common religion. Or simply why we see a lessor threat of extremism outside kashmir and catalyst factors in Kashmir.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Which part sir?

I was simply addressing why we see different behaviour or nature in kashmiri muslims and muslims from other part of India even though shared by common religion. Or simply why we see a lessor threat of extremism outside kashmir and catalyst factors in Kashmir.

The whole post actually. I was quite confused. Still am. Maybe if you re-write it?

 

[Razia Sultana]

I m from Mumbai I love my india these separatist are terrorist and traitors
Razia assalaamualaikum Ramazan Mubarak

walaikumassalam! aap ko bhi Ramzan Mumbarak. Me too from Mumbai.

 

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The whole post actually. I was quite confused. Still am. Maybe if you re-write it?

Seems like it, even when I re-read it, I realize there are lot many missing dots.

Perhaps the reason being, Arsalan left an open ended question to me and that made me left an open ended response.

Radicalization gets more easier when people are cut from main stream. Article 370 and terrorism factor in valley has caused that seclusion of kashmiri youth thus they become more susceptible to tutoring from crooks. The geography of area and history associated with it has made the propagandist task much easier.

That's why though we have muslims outside Kashmir, the threat of radicalization is much more in muslims youth of Kashmir. The same analogy, though of lessor extent, can be seen between muslims living in ghettos vs muslims living in a mix with other communities. Kashmir has become that ghetto of India.

I hope this time I have done a better job to pass on my message to you.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Seems like it, even when I re-read it, I realize there are lot many missing dots.

Perhaps the reason being, Arsalan left an open ended question to me and that made me left an open ended response.

Radicalization gets more easier when people are cut from main stream. Article 370 and terrorism factor in valley has caused that seclusion of kashmiri youth thus they become more susceptible to tutoring from crooks. The geography of area and history associated with it has made the propagandist task much easier.

That's why though we have muslims outside Kashmir, the threat of radicalization is much more in muslims youth of Kashmir. The same analogy, though of lessor extent, can be seen between muslims living in ghettos vs muslims living in a mix with other communities. Kashmir has become that ghetto of India.

I hope this time I have done a better job to pass on my message to you.

Yes, much better, thanks, although I don't entirely agree with your analysis. Maybe later; thing is I'm out for several days. Pity.

 

[fsayed]

walaikumassalam! aap ko bhi Ramzan Mumbarak. Me too from Mumbai.

Wow so nice

 

[Nepon]

Pakistani source and Pakistani media never stop daydreaming maybe its their crippling fear that they are losing what little ground they have .


ISI plants in Kashmir will soon be exterminated , fact is Kashmir is much more peaceful now than it was a decade ago . Gentlemen , I present to you statistical evidence not media propaganda .