India gets short end in NATO bargain

[Ticker]

My take is that it will be exactly the opposite of the bold part.

Are you saying that the new government will change India's foreign policy precepts.

 

[foxbat]

Are you saying that the new government will change India's foreign policy precepts.

They are already changing.. Specially in the Babu circles.. And really they are the ones who really decide these precepts.. Not the politicos.

 

[Splurgenxs]

Foreign policy will remain exactly the same No matter which party it is.
unles they are adamant on turning stuff over the head.

Foreign policy isn't at the disposal of the whims of the ruling party but rather every authority is taken into account and consulted.

Foreign policy has remains somewhat consistent thought the changes in leadership and should remain so.

 

[cyphercide]

What NATO bargain? Which 'stealth agreement'? Conspiratorial trash intended for conspiratorial trash.

 

[Ticker]

They are already changing.. Specially in the Babu circles.. And really they are the ones who really decide these precepts.. Not the politicos.

I don not think there would be any major change when the government in India changes and a new party takes over. Unless it is a third force which takes over, other than the two major coalitions.

 

[foxbat]

I don not think there would be any major change when the government in India changes and a new party takes over. Unless it is a third force which takes over, other than the two major coalitions.

I do not mean a drastic overhaul of the foreign policy with the new govt. What I mean is the changing stance of India towards China. The talk in Foreign service circles is all about weaning China off Pakistan.. Tall order, but thats the flavor of the month.. And as I said, its not the politicos that make foreign policy.. Its the IAS babus...

 

[Ticker]

I do not mean a drastic overhaul of the foreign policy with the new govt. What I mean is the changing stance of India towards China. The talk in Foreign service circles is all about weaning China off Pakistan.. Tall order, but thats the flavor of the month.. And as I said, its not the politicos that make foreign policy.. Its the IAS babus...

Pakistan is and increasingly in future, would become a geopolitical and geostrategic necessity for the Chinese.

India may not be able to wean the Chinese away from Pakistan, but can attempt to improve her own relations with them. That however, may not result in the kind of improvement India may seek. Indian MEA guys are pretty good at what they do.

 

[Ammyy]

Pakistan is and increasingly in future, would become a geopolitical and geostrategic necessity for the Chinese.

India may not be able to wean the Chinese away from Pakistan, but can attempt to improve her own relations with them. That however, may not result in the kind of improvement India may seek. Indian MEA guys are pretty good at what they do.

USA already available every where to keep away china from you... all your policy got approved from washinton

in geo politics friends can change any time

 

[Ticker]

USA already available every where to keep away china from you... all your policy got approved from washinton

in geo politics friends can change any time

How did you find the marriage between Saif Ali Khan and Kareena Kapoor. Must've been a marvelous affair.

 

[Peshwa]

Pakistan is and increasingly in future, would become a geopolitical and geostrategic necessity for the Chinese.

India may not be able to wean the Chinese away from Pakistan, but can attempt to improve her own relations with them. That however, may not result in the kind of improvement India may seek. Indian MEA guys are pretty good at what they do.

India's only bone of contention with Chinese-Pak relationship is its arms sales to Pak...as far as the economic relationship is concerned (barring investment in Pakistani Occupied Kashmir), India hardly cares what geo-stragetic advantage Pakistan offers to China..

If India can influence the scale down of arms trade, thats a win right there..

 

[foxbat]

Pakistan is and increasingly in future, would become a geopolitical and geostrategic necessity for the Chinese.

I thought you guys would have become sick of being a geographical necessity for USA... Now you want to become the same for China ...

India may not be able to wean the Chinese away from Pakistan, but can attempt to improve her own relations with them. That however, may not result in the kind of improvement India may seek. Indian MEA guys are pretty good at what they do.

There is enough space for everyone.. All it needs is a confluence of interests..

 

[Ticker]

I thought you guys would have become sick of being a geographical necessity for USA... Now you want to become the same for China ...



There is enough space for everyone.. All it needs is a confluence of interests..

Sorry, can't move ourselves from this place.

Enough space for confluence as well as divergence of interests.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Pakistan is and increasingly in future, would become a geopolitical and geostrategic necessity for the Chinese.

India may not be able to wean the Chinese away from Pakistan, but can attempt to improve her own relations with them. That however, may not result in the kind of improvement India may seek. Indian MEA guys are pretty good at what they do.

Even though Islamo-socialists of Pakistan want China as their new god, the problem is that Chinese will kick our @rse and get rid of us. The neo-Chinese nationalists do not want to carry the old and heavy baggage of 200 million good for nothing poors.

Us Pakistanis fail to understand that Chinese and Indians are making policies under pressure from their trading class.

Trading classes of India and China both want close relations, and good relations with the West. This is simply because the West in general and America in particular is a HUGE market for the goods and services exported from both India and China.

Pakistani trading class on the other hand is Islamists in nature so they support anti-American and anti-West forces within the country.


Chinese and Indian bureaucrats do have some leftover hiccups from communist and socialist dominated years from mid -to-late 40s all the way to 80s. So they sometimes make $tupid decisions that are quickly snubbed down by the trading class.

Thus the tussle between India and China, or the love affair between India-West or China-West will be mainly driven by trading classes of the countries. and change in governments will not have long term impact.


for the same reasons Chinese trading class has already dumped Pakistan as it is seen as a liability rather than an asset.


It is time that Pakistani trading classes too see the light of the day and quit supporting Islamo-fascists in favor of their trade with the West.


peace

 

[SQ8]

Even though Islamo-socialists of Pakistan want China as their new god, the problem is that Chinese will kick our @rse and get rid of us. The neo-Chinese nationalists do not want to carry the old and heavy baggage of 200 million good for nothing poors.

Us Pakistanis fail to understand that Chinese and Indians are making policies under pressure from their trading class.

Trading classes of India and China both want close relations, and good relations with the West. This is simply because the West in general and America in particular is a HUGE market for the goods and services exported from both India and China.

Pakistani trading class on the other hand is Islamists in nature so they support anti-American and anti-West forces within the country.


Chinese and Indian bureaucrats do have some leftover hiccups from communist and socialist dominated years from mid -to-late 40s all the way to 80s. So they sometimes make $tupid decisions that are quickly snubbed down by the trading class.

Thus the tussle between India and China, or the love affair between India-West or China-West will be mainly driven by trading classes of the countries. and change in governments will not have long term impact.


for the same reasons Chinese trading class has already dumped Pakistan as it is seen as a liability rather than an asset.


It is time that Pakistani trading classes too see the light of the day and quit supporting Islamo-fascists in favor of their trade with the West.


peace

That is the unfortunate result of being preached the "higher than the mountains ,deeper than the..." line

China looks after China..
we are the only fools that presume to be able to destroy our own interests to "Serve" others in the fools hope that our act of supreme self immolation in somebody's love will land us a guardian angel in the future.

 

[Ticker]

Even though Islamo-socialists of Pakistan want China as their new god, the problem is that Chinese will kick our @rse and get rid of us. The neo-Chinese nationalists do not want to carry the old and heavy baggage of 200 million good for nothing poors.

Us Pakistanis fail to understand that Chinese and Indians are making policies under pressure from their trading class.

Trading classes of India and China both want close relations, and good relations with the West. This is simply because the West in general and America in particular is a HUGE market for the goods and services exported from both India and China.

Pakistani trading class on the other hand is Islamists in nature so they support anti-American and anti-West forces within the country.


Chinese and Indian bureaucrats do have some leftover hiccups from communist and socialist dominated years from mid -to-late 40s all the way to 80s. So they sometimes make $tupid decisions that are quickly snubbed down by the trading class.

Thus the tussle between India and China, or the love affair between India-West or China-West will be mainly driven by trading classes of the countries. and change in governments will not have long term impact.


for the same reasons Chinese trading class has already dumped Pakistan as it is seen as a liability rather than an asset.


It is time that Pakistani trading classes too see the light of the day and quit supporting Islamo-fascists in favor of their trade with the West.


peace

Geopolitics doesn't have any religion, caste or creed. Just interests. If China's access gets restricted in SSC and ESC, it has only two options. Burma and Pakistan to access IOR. Chinese traders would want access to the sea and if that access is not provided or restricted, where would they go.

From Bab el Mandab and Gulf, the shortest route to Eastern and Central China is through Pakistan. The traders save a hell lot of money if this trading zone is operative. If the oil and gas is transported to Eastern and central China, rather than from SSC or ECS. It is very simple to understand.

Our policies are not made by Islamo-whatever traders. These are made by people who probably go to a mosque only for the two eids in a year.

I don't know where does your illustriously ill-informed predictions emanate from.