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Four MI 35 are not a problem for us

But we will NOT ALLOW RUSSIA to sell SU 35

Forget SU 35 ; SO FAR We have Blocked the Sale of AL 31 ENGINE to Pakistan

And that is why you have been unable to get J 10

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SO I say again ; If Russia gives you SU 35 we will give you Kashmir
Su-35 is too costly..but a bad ***.Thats why IAF wants super sukhoi-30...which is similiar to su-35 but differ in size and hard points..But i have a question" Why IAF Did not chose su-35"?
 
Four MI 35 are not a problem for us

But we will NOT ALLOW RUSSIA to sell SU 35

Forget SU 35 ; SO FAR We have Blocked the Sale of AL 31 ENGINE to Pakistan

And that is why you have been unable to get J 10

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SO I say again ; If Russia gives you SU 35 we will give you Kashmir
Hahaha rusia is not a ur puppet soon we order more MI 35 and Few SAM system already under talks if u can block tgem blick

And about engine if u can block J 10 engine why not block RD 93 for jf 17 u just talk bla bla u did nothing and RD 93 pak buy direct from Russia

If u can block AL 31 if u have balls block RD 93

Where are you living

Russia will sell SU 35 on its own they wont ask u we sell or not since u are friend of their enemy

And recently u not supported them in ukraine issue russian carpet is been out of your feet agree or not but it is reality

Soon you see SAM russia sell to pak and again u say its no prob as in MI 35 deal
 
Hahaha rusia is not a ur puppet soon we order more MI 35 and Few SAM system already under talks if u can block tgem blick

And about engine if u can block J 10 engine why not block RD 93 for jf 17 u just talk bla bla u did nothing and RD 93 pak buy direct from Russia

If u can block AL 31 if u have balls block RD 93

Where are you living

Russia will sell SU 35 on its own they wont ask u we sell or not since u are friend of their enemy

And recently u not supported them in ukraine issue russian carpet is been out of your feet agree or not but it is reality

Soon you see SAM russia sell to pak and again u say its no prob as in MI 35 deal

Russia is not going to sell Pak SU35 for atleast another 30 yrs.
 
Same reply was for RD93, then MI 17 then MI 35 now SU35 lets see what else will gets same kinda reply from Endians
MI17, MI35 are mostly being sold for COIN ops and are not top of the line machines, many countries have them, engine if not russia then China. SU35 different story. Best bet for Pak is to get similar aircraft from China. You really think Russia will jeopardize all the billion worth of business with India for million dollars? But maybe aft 20-30 yrs Russia might sell SU 35.

PS- When someone is speaking politely its good nature to reply in a polite manner and not calling names. We are all hear to learn.
 
MI17, MI35 are mostly being sold for COIN ops and are not top of the line machines, many countries have them, engine if not russia then China. SU35 different story. Best bet for Pak is to get similar aircraft from China. You really think Russia will jeopardize all the billion worth of business with India for million dollars? But maybe aft 20-30 yrs Russia might sell SU 35.

PS- When someone is speaking politely its good nature to reply in a polite manner and not calling names. We are all hear to learn.
So will you give me some info about that business of billions of dollar, i means recent acquisitions, last i heard you buy fighter jets from france, attack helis from US, transport Aircraft from US, maritime Aircraft from US, Radar from Isreal and so on, dont come up with mig up gradation or anything that fall in the category of millions.
 
So will you give me some info about that business of billions of dollar, i means recent acquisitions, last i heard you buy fighter jets from france, attack helis from US, transport Aircraft from US, maritime Aircraft from US, Radar from Isreal and so on, dont come up with mig up gradation or anything that fall in the category of millions.

5th Gen fighter, SSN leasing, Brahmos 2, Sub repair facility in India, Manufacturing Russian Helis in India. These just the ones from top of my head. We have financed a significant part for PAK-FA R&D not sure how much. Russia India relationship has moved on from a buyer seller to a join venture one. These are all what has been planned for now, in future there are more co op between India and Russia as well as India and US. But again no one can predict the future. From the current scenario Russia selling SU 35 to Pak now does not seem to be possible.
 
While tunes of a deal have been played for years, what would be an appropriate response from a PAF stand of point. While the jf-17 is a great work horse there are something that it can not compete with. Until the jf17 program is mature, the PAF is in urgent need of a 4.5 gen fighter.

Ah! I'll break this convo as often because the original poster's question was not answered yet despite being valid.

But first let's clear something for the 3 peeps that brought for the Rafale vs Thunder equation.
There is such a difference between the two planes that Nothing in Pakistan's arsenal can make it a contest
and at that, the sweet6teens have a better chance. The Gen. thing is useless but comparing individually
all parts of those birds favors the Raffy : AESA M-88 SPECTRA MICA AASM etc. and it gets worse as a package.

But if you accept that situation and consider the above question's main point :
… What would be an appropriate response from a PAF stand of point?
there are things that come to mind,

- continue the development of the JF-17 in any case maybe heighten it as I suggested elsewhere on PDF by making
composite parts in Pakistan for the Thunder to balance the usual weight increase over the years ( jets & people ;) );
- keep an eye out for opportunities for a [political] deal on the market;
- and/or ward of an Indian attack/war by other means.

For instance, if I was the Pakistani High Commissioner in New Delhi, I'd grab a quiet evening with Narendra
and say "SO how serious are you about that UN SC permanent seat, mate? Because if you are than I suppose we can rule out an attack & full-on war with you? That wouldn't look good on your resume!"
to which Modi should answer "You're entirely right, that's the kind of things nations do after they get the seat!".

That's a 20 year break right there with India's sole possible excuse for war being pulling an American and labeling
it War on Terror … itself if believed a good reason for the govt in Islamabad to concentrate on the terrorists in-house.

Good evening all, Tay.
 
@aamerjamal
Hi, Its ok let us assume that PAF got handfull of su-35 in her inventory.Now what i say is....maintenance. Mainteining a Su-30 is a great problem , now just think about su-35.If pakistan can get su-35 then plz tell me why IAF babus sat quiet even our pilots have experience on flankers? Now your navy is under modernisation right? Then you have to transfer your funds/major amount of military budgets to support this su-35 project. Even now many pakistani members report that Pak navy is getting neglected and lion's share goes to army.Then su-35 in your inventory will cause headache to pakistan navy.
Regards
 
@Super Falcon

Yes we were earlier objecting to RD 93 but after we built up our Strength
we ALLOWED Russia to sell RD 93 to Pakistan

A single ENGINED RD 93 equipped JF 17 is NOT a threat to IAF

Again I will repeat JF 17 is NOT a threat to IAF

Mig 29 has TWO RD 93 engines

IAF has Mig 29 ; Mirage 2000 and Mig 21 Bison which can all win against JF 17

However J 10 is a good plane equipped with AL 31 engine
we will do all that we can to prevent the sale of AL 31 to Pakistan
 
@Super Falcon

Yes we were earlier objecting to RD 93 but after we built up our Strength
we ALLOWED Russia to sell RD 93 to Pakistan

A single ENGINED RD 93 equipped JF 17 is NOT a threat to IAF

Again I will repeat JF 17 is NOT a threat to IAF

Mig 29 has TWO RD 93 engines

IAF has Mig 29 ; Mirage 2000 and Mig 21 Bison which can all win against JF 17

However J 10 is a good plane equipped with AL 31 engine
we will do all that we can to prevent the sale of AL 31 to Pakistan
Hahahaha how you justyfy your failures if you can block u r not our friend

India always want to object even on needle so RD 93 is your failure

You objected russia to improve relations with pakistan what happened there than russia is also sign gas pipeline with pak second major deal after steel mill

Russia is not your puppet you cant stop russia if you can than russia never had relation with china which is also ur enemy

You never miss a chance to hurt us JF 17 threat or no thteat than why u cry over pak china economic coridor which is no threat to india.

Fact is you are always ready to hurt pak in any matter from sports to politics

You did you best to stop RD 93 sale but you failed

And J 10 is not Pak project it is chinese project and china will get AL 31 if it wants Russia cant resist china for you

Get up and wake up and stop dreaming look around time and weather has changed around you. I know you never accept but it is reality dosent change you accept it or not

In few years your mindset will geg more slaps from russia and pak relations when we buy more weapons which are in taljs today

And russian navy will do exercise with PN please do your best to stop it if it threat or not fact is russia dont give damn about you anymore

I bet you stop russia selling MI 35 threat or no threat if you have that much control on russian policies if u can block them we agree you have valls and guts if you cant stop rubbish prove it by stopping MI 35 deal pleasr

And MI 35 IS ATTACK HELICOPTER

direct threat to your tanks dont worry about number it is inital 4 in next order 12 more are coming
 
Russia is not going to sell Pak SU35 for atleast another 30 yrs.
Very good untill than we will retire SU 35

If russia wont selll china has signed SU 35 deal with russia china will selll J 11 but with SU 35 technology dont worry one way or other we will bring pain to you

Let us not indulge in this unnecessary TU TU MAIN MAIN

I am here ; you are here ; let us see what happens
Very good now please dont do tu tu main main

Simple question if u have guts and you think russia is puppet if india whom you r pulling strings proove us wrong by stop russia selling MI 35 than i personally salute you and never oppose u plz once ask ur puppet so we know we are wrong
 
Simple question if u have guts and you think russia is puppet if india whom you r pulling strings proove us wrong by stop russia selling MI 35 than i personally salute you and never oppose u plz once ask ur puppet so we know we are wrong

Your question is a good one

See Russia is facing financial problems ; so it is selling you Mi 35
These four Mi 35 are not a threat to India

Now if you want more things such as AL 31 ; then of course India will
try to stop the sale

However after a few years when we get RAFALE ; you can take AL 31 engine for J 10

But SU 35 ; NEVER
 
That's a 20 year break right there with India's sole possible excuse for war being pulling an American and labeling
it War on Terror … itself if believed a good reason for the govt in Islamabad to concentrate on the terrorists in-house.

I have said this before and I am saying this again. India is not a threat to Pakistan. We understand what MAD is. A few may consider this being scared, but, the moot point is we are more worried about our economy than a fight.

The Rafale adds something to the Indian mix. Offense. The first wave of offense, which till date the IAF did not possess. An aircraft which can go in on its own, with AWACS support. And get out. The best bet for Pakistan is peace. Also, let's be clear. These are not aimed at Pakistan. The sheer numbers of fighters will tell you who they are aimed at.
 

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