India firms up moves against Turkey cosying up to Pakistan

[Furious]

Source? Dont confuse exports with production, most of their production goes into feeding their own 1.5 billion population, the exports are far lower than other countries. According to this source they arent even in the top 10.

I think everyone understands what exports is. Why would anyone confuse it with production. That would be dumb man. I will try to look for an aggregated source or will have to find it individually. Let me try.

Source? Dont confuse exports with production, most of their production goes into feeding their own 1.5 billion population, the exports are far lower than other countries. According to this source they arent even in the top 10.

Also the 2019 figures would be atleast 20-25% more. And the export is to more than 120 countries across europe, america and southeast asia.

 

[Ansu fati]

Pakistan already has a office in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but of course a better step would be regornise it. Pakistan until today avoid to regornise Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, because they didnt wanted to cause greece or South Cyprus to support India. Now, this two states already supports India anyway. So why not regorsise Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus legally?

Well pakistan now is fighting for kashmir it won’t be good at least diplomatically when they need support in UN anyway we know that we have support of Pakistan i think increasing trade between Pakistan and TRNC would be much more beneficial

 

[Awan68]

Lol, these states India has been cementing ties with are all former whores of the Turks.

 

[Ansu fati]

Lol, these states India has been cementing ties with are all former whores of the Turks.

I need to correct you india was also whore of the Turks when they were conquered by the Mughal Empire
Basically we have bunch of ex whores supporting each others after being domimated by the Turks for several centuries

 

[airmarshal]

Diplomatic support. Media. Possible funding of specific activities against Turkey. Possible export of some weapons -- if they can. More than anything else raising a similar voice as Turkey does against India. basically it gives them talking points.

There is ample media support for Cyprus and whatever the cause Greece has against Turkey. Nothing will be effective.

Turkey is a significant regional power. It just showed USA the middle finger on S-400. India is a small fry.

 

[Nilgiri]

I think everyone understands what exports is. Why would anyone confuse it with production. That would be dumb man. I will try to look for an aggregated source or will have to find it individually. Let me try.


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Also the 2019 figures would be atleast 20-25% more. And the export is to more than 120 countries across europe, america and southeast asia.

Why do you even care to respond this much? LOL.

Real life regular Turks don't know zilch about Pakistan or its "issues" and brother-feelz and blah blah.

Let Pakistan focus on exporting cheap water intensive agricultural products with next to no value addition...to its iron brother Turkey and whomever else....it results in trade figure performance like this:

https://comtrade.un.org/data/

i.e Turkey halved its already low import volume from Pakistan over 2010 - 2018....whereas they more than doubled it from India....so much so that now they buy nearly 25 times from India now compared to Pakistan (thats nearly 4 times per capita from India).

Much iron brother feeling STRONK on the ground (when the actual proof of pudding is concerned)....

This is just goods too (forget services and what say the tourism and IT revenues are etc).

But insulated members in here can blab whatever they want....when much much more views and interaction of significance come from videos like this one, that will simply never happen for pakistani products:

....because simply they (esp if they already emigrated and have no real neck in the local fight anymore) dont want to challenge their warped military-stronk cabal and oligarchs...and have zilch in any kind of value added industry. Thus continued loan cycles, low savings, low investment...and no breakout for them....thus only same old political bickering and posturing drama here...whatever it takes to deflect the massive 99% reality out there lol.

India just needs to keep on current strategy of economic relations first and keep investing in its value added industries and services (rather than only talk mangos, rice, salt or whatever simple resource extraction)....since it concerns that 99% bedrock. 1%-type soap opera drama is good time pass for whomever prefers that

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Diplomatic support. Media. Possible funding of specific activities against Turkey. Possible export of some weapons -- if they can. More than anything else raising a similar voice as Turkey does against India. basically it gives them talking points.

Modi has lost the plot. Despite the hubris over Mediterranean drilling, Turkey, Cyprus, Armenia and Greece DON'T WANT WAR with each other. They can very much handle themselves maturely these days. So, since some kind of weird military bloc is off the cards, the original question is valid: what can Modi offer these nations that is of interest to them? Publicity and media propaganda??? Not a chance anyone is dumb enough to outsource an information war to bhaktistani clowns. Weapons?? Again, when or where have Indian grade weapons technology ever competed successfully against NATO grade tech? Any buyer wants evidence of successful implementation.

Perhaps diplomatic favours at best, but what clout does India actually have outside of South Asia? Not as much as you think.

 

[Beast]

You gotta choose your battles. China cannot take on US over Taiwan, but then it does not that they cann't bully or buy other smaller nations to drop their diplomatic support of Taiwan.

India can certainly make things harder for Erodogan.

How does China bully Taiwan when all they do is offer those countries more money to sever ties with Taiwan? Isn't it the same tactic Taiwan use to lure those countries to have recognition in the first place? You think those countries want r/s with Taiwan is becos they felt Taiwan is better?

 

[Ansu fati]

Diplomatic support. Media. Possible funding of specific activities against Turkey. Possible export of some weapons -- if they can. More than anything else raising a similar voice as Turkey does against India. basically it gives them talking points.

When Turkey talks against israel or india or another country that has issues with their muslim communities it has effect every criticism has its purpose because Turkey’s role is appreciated by muslims around the world on the other hand india’s statements don’t have weight at all since they don’t have any connection with those anti Turkey countries at all i can bet that erdogan can win against any indian politician in indian state/region where there’s a muslim majority and what kind of diplomatic support can you give you are ordinary UN member if you actually had the veto power then your statement about diplomatic support would’ve importance

 

[Flash_Ninja]

I think everyone understands what exports is. Why would anyone confuse it with production. That would be dumb man. I will try to look for an aggregated source or will have to find it individually. Let me try.


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Also the 2019 figures would be atleast 20-25% more. And the export is to more than 120 countries across europe, america and southeast asia.

They export a lot of volume in specific sectors yes, but thats because they are low cost in comparison to other countries, that doesnt mean that the world is dependant on them, in most of these industries the next largest exporters are close in terms of output and are also spread out across the world (e.g. NA, Europe, Asia), meaning that if export did stop it wouldnt be difficult for importers to quickly find alternate sources. In terms of total output across all sectors though there are other countries that are far ahead.

Lets look at Rice exports which make up the largest volume. The most populated and at-risk of food scarcity regions in the world are Africa and Asia.

Nigeria is the largest largest buyer of rice in 2018

Rice imports in Nigeria:

Pakistan - 31%
India - 21%
China - 18%
Cameroon - 17%

- Next is small Benin (11 million population) who actually do depend on Indian rice imports so i will give you that

- Next is Madagascar where India does not export any significant amount.

In Asia the single largest importer of Rice in the world is China who make up a colossal 42% of the Asian rice imports.

- The largest supplier of rice to China is Myanmar who make up 99.6% of their total rice imports.

- Next is S.Korea where India does not export any significant amount.

- Next is Turkey where India does not export any significant amount.

The only nation in Asia dependant on Indian exports was Nepal (26 million population).


The results speak for themselves. There would be no food scarcity crisis if India shut exports, since they clearly dont have a monopoly on food exports and because there arent any large populated countries dependent on imports from India.

 

[Awan68]

I need to correct you india was also whore of the Turks when they were conquered by the Mughal Empire
Basically we have bunch of ex whores supporting each others after being domimated by the Turks for several centuries

Its basically an ex whore support group.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

They export a lot of volume in specific sectors yes, but thats because they are low cost in comparison to other countries, that doesnt mean that the world is dependant on them, in most of these industries the next largest exporters are close in terms of output and are also spread out across the world (e.g. NA, Europe, Asia), meaning that if export did stop it wouldnt be difficult for importers to quickly find alternate sources. In terms of total output across all sectors though there are other countries that are far ahead.

Lets look at Rice exports which make up the largest volume. The most populated and at-risk of food scarcity regions in the world are Africa and Asia.

Nigeria is the largest largest buyer of rice in 2018

Rice imports in Nigeria:

Pakistan - 31%
India - 21%
China - 18%
Cameroon - 17%

- Next is small Benin (11 million population) who actually do depend on Indian rice imports so i will give you that

- Next is Madagascar where India does not export any significant amount.

In Asia the single largest importer of Rice in the world is China who make up a colossal 42% of the Asian rice imports.

- The largest supplier of rice to China is Myanmar who make up 99.6% of their total rice imports.

- Next is S.Korea where India does not export any significant amount.

- Next is Turkey where India does not export any significant amount.

The only nation in Asia dependant on Indian exports was Nepal (26 million population).


The results speak for themselves. There would be no food scarcity crisis if India shut exports, since they clearly dont have a monopoly on food exports and because there arent any large populated countries dependent on imports from India.

Would be hilarious to see them cut exports to "punish" certain nations. Trump already called them out on extortionate tariffs. Let them isolate themselves further.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Would be hilarious to see them cut exports to "punish" certain nations. Trump already called them out on extortionate tariffs. Let them isolate themselves further.

Yeah I wont deny that some small nations are dependant on some Indian food exports, but all the relevant countries Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Malaysia, China, US have little to no dependence on India so gangus coming out saying they will cut off these countries and starve them is just embarrassing

 

[Ansu fati]

India can’t do nothing they can only give empty statements they are important in the Mediterranean as much as Zimbabwe they don’t have competent military industry so what would they export maybe military toilets on the other hand Turkey can do a lot of damage to India

 

[BringHarmony]

Im not comparing Nazi Germany with India, yes Modi is a bitsize wannabe Hindu hitler, but the Nazis were clever, organised, and industrial people which are the polar opposite of what BJP and Modi is

Yes, Israel did get support and so did China, they got them when nations that set up relations with them including the UN acknowledged that the territory they are in posession of is their sovereign land. When countries stop saying that Kashmir is disputed then Gangus can claim that they got legitimacy, but it doesnt look like thats going to ever happen any time soon.

"Gangus", I assume is a racial slang for Indian Army or government. With that assumption, please refer to my previous post. Kashmir controlled by India has gained legitimacy because no one -- obviously besides Pakistan, China and Turkey -- has opposed it in any material way. Think it in this terms, Chinese Belt and Road uses portions of territories which are/were disputed. Namely parts in South China Sea which China claims as her own and Kashmir from where the road passes. Besides India and Philippines (and may be Vietnam) there were no major voices against it. Hence it gained legitimacy and with due time it will becomes parts of Chinese plan.

This action is similar. In due time, India will, rather plans to, introduce businesses and people which will override the local population. Since its political control will now be total, all the governments will be sham. Policies will favor these "new colonialists". People from the region will join these businesses for employment. There will be few diehard fans of nationalism or separatism remain in the region.

India may not be as powerful as China because what it is doing is at a much smaller scale and much localized.

India can’t do nothing they can only give empty statements they are important in the Mediterranean as much as Zimbabwe they don’t have competent military industry so what would they export maybe military toilets on the other hand Turkey can do a lot of damage to India

Actually, their game is not military at all. Its more diplomatic in nature.

Turkey is a significant regional power. It just showed USA the middle finger on S-400. India is a small fry.

Its not a question of being a military power. Its more a question of diplomatic and political issue. Turkey's support to Kashmir cause is also diplomatic and media based. India is simply paying back in the same token. On world stage, India has a standing. Its certainly not a China but it does have a standing. All they need to do is to spare few words, votes and may be some money to hurt Turkey.

Actually, being in the mix of S-400 issue can be even more interesting. Its one more lever on Turkey. One more place where an Indian vote or voice US may use to push Turkey.