India election 2019: The mystery of India's 'missing' Muslim politicians

[Lincoln]

Progressive Muslims don't get much backing from followers of their own faith.

Not even 40 tickets by congress and BJP combined, for these "progressive Muslims" to begin with, which isn't 9% of parliament seats. Compare that with 15% Muslim population of India.

 

[prashantazazel]

Not even 40 tickets by congress and BJP combined, for these "progressive Muslims" to begin with, which isn't 9% of parliament seats. Compare that with 15% Muslim population of India.

Muslims are one of the poorest community in India. Poor people generally fail to have many progressives amongst them.

The rest of us have adequate reasons not to vote Conservative Muslims into power.
For eg- as an atheist, I do know of your faith's stance on atheism /apostasy. So voting for a Conservative Muslim is dangerous for me, and my idea of human rights.

 

[Mamadouso]

The real issue here is the decline in representation. It’s not as Indian posters will say it is ‘because Muslims are poorer’ they haven’t got the representation - it is the systematic exclusion of the BJP from actually fielding the Muslim members in the first place.

 

[Andhadhun]

The real issue here is the decline in representation. It’s not as Indian posters will say it is ‘because Muslims are poorer’ they haven’t got the representation - it is the systematic exclusion of the BJP from actually fielding the Muslim members in the first place.

Candidates are selected on winnability. Not on the basis of representation.

 

[notion.2019]

The conditions of Muslims in India, since 1947 to date, clearly indicate, what a visionary and insightful was Quaid e Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah, as a political leader.

Now after everything happened long before cannot be related/attributed to anybody's vision.

Presently its the muslims of india who are responsible for this situation they themselves are to be blamed.

 

[Andhadhun]

Now after everything happened long before cannot be related/attributed to anybody's vision.

Presently its the muslims of india who are responsible for this situation they themselves are to be blamed.

What situation is that ?

 

[notion.2019]

Now after everything happened long before cannot be related/attributed to anybody's vision.

Presently its the muslims of india who are responsible for this situation they themselves are to be blamed.

Lack of education is the culprit above all the complete sideline of education in urdu medium was also the reason.

Following human centric form of Islam is another factor behind this backwardness of present day generations.

Socio-economic factor is another factor but lack of unified approach of community is another factor.

 

[Viny]

Elections is for Parliament and formation of Govt and not some Religious Trust.
A parliamentarian represents all the people of his constituency, irrespective of what religion he or she follows.
How does it matter if a Muslim contests, or a Hindu Contests or some Transgender Contests the election. Ultimately they represent the people and not the religion in parliament.

Unfortunately many see it as vote bank politics based on cast, religion and other factors, these are the culprits who still believe in divide and rule. People should give mandate to those who rise above these petty politics and is working for the cause of people.

 

[SIPRA]

Seen another way , if partition didn't happen the cumulative population of muslims would today number 550 million at least. All they have today is a divided house .

I have failed to gather, what is the relation of your post to my comment? A divided house??? Muslims were and are, of course, divided in many countries throughout the globe. In some, they are in majority, while in others they are minorities. I was referring to the vision of Quaid, in terms, that he realized, at that time, the kind of subjugation, to which Muslims would be subjected in a united India, after independence. Pakistan was, of course, only a pragmatic solution that, as many as possible, Muslims should be brought out of this perpetual subservience to the caste Hindus. Thus, the idea of Pakistan gets reinforced, as we observe the plight of Muslims in India. That was the whole essence of my brief comment.

 

[SIPRA]

And my post was the opposite of yours. Had the Muslims remained and there was no partition they would be a 550 million strong populace .I don't think such a strong number would accept subservience.

As far as Pakistan being the homeland of the sub continent's Muslims go that was debunked way back in 1949 when Pakistan refused to accept any more Muslims from India. Leave that aside and focus on the few million stateless Biharis stranded in Bangladesh post 1971 whom Bangladesh accused of being Razakars & won't confer citizenship upon stating that they're Pakistani citizens and whom you will not take back

So much for Pakistan being the homeland of and fanciful claims of representing the Muslims of the sub continent respectively.

As far as the plight of Indian Muslims go, last I know, they aren't facing bomb blasts in mosques or Dargahs on a regular basis . Irrespective of the numerous sects and the differences between them , there aren't armed gangs hunting each other down accusing each other of Being Kafirs / Takfiri.

They have their own personal law governing them and freedom to manage their religious shrines, educational institutions , etc including if I may add the freedom to practice their religion and proselytize - a bane of the Hindutva groups , guaranteed by the Indian Constitution. May I add that except for Hindus this applies to all religious minorities. All Hindu shrines are administered by the state So much for secularism. Till recently there was also a Haj Subsidy for pilgrims undertaking the Haj as well as affirmative action in some states for backward caste Muslims in academics.

The Indian Muslims have their own set of unique problems , some of which find an echo worldwide but peace and security isn't one of them - those news of beef lynchings and occasional communal riots notwithstanding.

I made a comment, related to this thread. You posted a totally irrelevant response, by quoting my comment. I again merely clarified my original comment. Now, you have again come up with a post, opening a Pandora's box of so many irrelevant issues, that it is hardly worthwhile to respond to them. But, inadvertantly, the contents of your posts, further strengthen the idea of Pakistan and the wisdom of Quaid e Azam. And it is not only you, but barring a few, most of Indian posters on PDF, day and night, provide this reinforcement to the concept of Pakistan and vision of Quaid.

 

[SIPRA]

I already addressed your concerns in the previous post . It may not have been as a rejoinder to your specific post but to another member's post .Regarding the wisdom of your Quaid that part of undivided India and which is now Pakistan already enjoyed 70:30 majority in favour of the Muslims .I fail to understand what was achieved in eliminating / expelling the balance 30% of the population there save to have something close to Homogeneity in terms of religion. That should've been cement enough to hold the nation together. I don't need to add to what the state of affairs in Pakistan are at the moment be it in terms of the economy , internal security social cohesiveness etc .

At the end of the day, if you think the idea of Pakistan is as good as the state of Pakistan today , who are we to comment. Your forefathers fought hard for it and attained it. Hope it was worth it. But if you seek validation in your existence , 70 years later on a premise shattered in 1971, I've nothing to say or add in the matter.

I gave my very brief comment on the idea of Pakistan and the vision of Quaid. I didn't present any concern, whatsoever, which needed to be addressed by you or anyother. I fail to understand, from where you got this idea? Your current post again resorts to erroneous premises and conclusions, which it is quite futile to respond. Cheers.