India demands Predator XP and Armed Avenger UAV’s from US to keep China in check

[nang2]

I agree. Military-Industry complex is only now building up. There has been quite a few policy changes in the past one year and some positive changes are afoot with more private sector participation. In fact, India increased its defense exports six times in the last year.

Indian govt policy of openness indirectly helps in maintaining secrecy. Too many purported leaks, sources etc, combined with the screechy, unprofessional journalism ensures that the believably factor is low. Hence many important news slips through unnoticed.

On Tejas, Indian policy is that no single engine aircraft will fly on Republic Day. Unlikely to change. However, it is going to fly soon at Baharin Air show. So you should see some news on that. Latest amateur video footage of Tejas practicing for the airshow is available here.

Cool stuffs. Thanks It would be fun to have JF-17 and Tejas play a dogfight dance during the airshow. For peace time, these war planes are just fun toys.

 

[H.B.]

Cool stuffs. Thanks It would be fun to have JF-17 and Tejas play a dogfight dance during the airshow. For peace time, these war planes are just fun toys.

That mock dogfight could escalate in a fresh round of Indo-Pak sabre rattling online & in the media. As fun as it sounds, I think this scenario won't play out.

 

[nang2]

That most dogfight dance could escalate in a fresh round of Indo-Pak sabre rattling online & in the media. As fun as it sounds, I think this scenario won't play out.

You are right. As long as people are hostile to each other, they will always think my plane is the X-wing and yours is the Tie fighter.

 

[Super Commando Dhruva]

more like beg if you ask me lol

Connection between OSAMA Pakistan CHINA

You did beg to Pakistan to hand over Rotor Blades of Stealth copper to them so that you could do some COPY paste work

Yes OR NO ?

 

[oprih]

Woah China is screwed, the avengers will be deployed to protect india.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Please live up to your standards and give yourself a negative rating!....Thats the least you can do as the Chief PDF Admin

Dude, he is the "eternal virgin" here; he had got rated for some disgusting posts....... and then the ratings vanished.

 

[knight11]

Cool stuffs. Thanks It would be fun to have JF-17 and Tejas play a dogfight dance during the airshow. For peace time, these war planes are just fun toys.

The air show is for the consumption of the general Public to cheer and do clapping.

According to the chief designer of Xiliong FC-1, there is no competition of the fighter plane in an international market and international ties and relations plays a vital role in an export deal.

Why JF-17 is attractive ? Before China emerges as weapon EXporter in an international market there were two players namely West which is USA and Europe and Soviet/Russia. Both the parties sold their weapons to each other allies, and for the non allied nations it depends on the benifits and the interest of both of them. A country could buyed the weapon, but when comes the high tech weapons like anti ship cruise missile and BVR, they make a pact between each other to not to give if it seriously threatened their interest. But when China emerges with its weapon and gave the world more high tech weapons, which many countries wanted and dreamed but somehow they are denied due to interest and pressure by various forces altogether the whole scene changes. Now Argentina could buy anti ship missile, instead of searching Harpoon from the black market, and countries could look to arm its airforce with the BVR, and SAM like HQ-9. Chinese FC-1 is also a part of this attractive package, which would give the small airforce what they desired and dream like a decent fighter plane with BVR, and cruise missile, which was not so easy to get before.

LCA on the otherhand was the effort of the India to build its Aerospace industry, and to lower the technological gap which she was lagging. With LCA, India could now think upon more advance program, and to upgrade its older aircraft indigenously. In India their is one hidden man very powerful his name is the Import Lobbist Gang, who do not want such thing, because it seriously affects his profits, and they will try to put as much stone in his way, but LCA survives kuddo to some of the hardworking scientists and engineers who gave India a chance to build its aerospace industry and to get some space for the indegenous effort.

Nobody is perfect, and LCA is not going to change things suddenly, but it is just a small milestone in Indian effort, to reach the stage, where it could fulfill its military needs.

 

[nang2]

The air show is for the consumption of the general Public to cheer and do clapping.

According to the chief designer of Xiliong FC-1, there is no competition of the fighter plane in an international market and international ties and relations plays a vital role in an export deal.

Why JF-17 is attractive ? Before China emerges as weapon importer in an international market there were two players namely West which is USA and Europe and Soviet/Russia. Both the parties sold their weapons to each other allies, and for the non allied nations it depends on the benifits and the interest of both of them. A country could buyed the weapon, but when comes the high tech weapons like anti ship cruise missile and BVR, they make a pact between each other to not to give if it seriously threatened their interest. But when China emerges with its weapon and gave the world more high tech weapons, which many countries wanted and dreamed but somehow they are denied due to interest and pressure by various forces altogether the whole scene changes. Now Argentina could buy anti ship missile, instead of searching Harpoon from the black market, and countries could look to arm its airforce with the BVR, and SAM like HQ-9. Chinese FC-1 is also a part of this attractive package, which would give the small airforce what they desired and dream like a decent fighter plane with BVR, and cruise missile, which was not so easy to get before.

LCA on the otherhand was the effort of the India to build its Aerospace industry, and to lower the technological gap which she was lagging. With LCA, India could now think upon more advance program, and to upgrade its older aircraft indigenously. In India their is one hidden man very powerful his name is the Import Lobbist Gang, who do not want such thing, because it seriously affects his profits, and they will try to put as much stone in his way, but LCA survives kuddo to some of the hardworking scientists and engineers who gave India a chance to build its aerospace industry and to get some space for the indegenous effort.

Nobody is perfect, and LCA is not going to change things suddenly, but it is just a small milestone in Indian effort, to reach the stage, where it could fulfill its military needs.

Very good summary. I think Indians have every right to be proud of LCA and every other progress made by Indian engineers. That is what a great country should be. Push through against all odds and never give up.

 

[Zek]

India should focus on JV instead of purchasing foreign weaponery.
Strong and sophisticated military industry will benefit India more than any number of S-400 in conventional war.
India should go for joint projects with Israel and Russia and maybe other nations for creating not just for better weapons but for a better basis for technology innovation and creativity in India.
If India wants to become a strong nation, it should emphasis education for young minds and better economic relations with other countries, the stronger the Economy and Education gets, the stronger India will get.
without offending any Pakistani in this forum, India surpass Pakistan in almost every military aspect, and should focus on the future rather than the present

 

[nang2]

India should focus on JV instead of purchasing foreign weaponery.
Strong and sophisticated military industry will benefit India more than any number of S-400 in conventional war.
India should go for joint projects with Israel and Russia and maybe other nations for creating not just for better weapons but for a better basis for technology innovation and creativity in India.
If India wants to become a strong nation, it should emphasis education for young minds and better economic relations with other countries, the stronger the Economy and Education gets, the stronger India will get.
without offending any Pakistani in this forum, India surpass Pakistan in almost every military aspect, and should focus on the future rather than the present

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Haha, kidding.

 

[Salik]

whoever came up with this word Demand.
US has no obligation to provide any military hardware bypassing any laws to meet any strategic requirement.
India too on its part is within its right to request for a specific weapon system, purely as a buyer.
We have money and requirement for a hardware, if US congress finds it acceptable, the sales will go through.

Demand and supply are two main words in commerce. I don't see anything wrong in use of thing word if you aren't predetermined to see things in political angle. India has demand for something and US has the option to supply.

Few points from an old article from Flightglobal from early 2015 timeline (Export restrictions limit Predator potential

1. When US President Barack Obama visited India in January, a request for a Predator XP purchase was expected, with New Delhi seeking an array of unmanned technolo
   

   whoever came up with this word Demand.
   US has no obligation to provide any military hardware bypassing any laws to meet any strategic requirement.
   India too on its part is within its right to request for a specific weapon system, purely as a buyer.
   We have money and requirement for a hardware, if US congress finds it acceptable, the sales will go through.

   
   gies.
2. General Atomics confirms that the US government has granted it a DSP-5 export licence, enabling it “to engage in discussions with the government of India, as well as local industry, for the potential sale of Predator XP”.
3. Sales to Jordan and India would also rock the boat between the USA and Israel. Jordanian sales would upset Israel politically, while India is a significant market for Israel’s UAV industry that it would be hesitant to lose.

I see potentially

1. Far more advanced stuff coming from Israel due to this challenge and a potential of US armed drones
2. A possible tie up of Neuron tech coming soon for us
3. And Aura tie up overtly or covertly to amalgamate certain classified technology chiefly from Israel and France

@Abingdonboy @FrenchPilot @Aminroop : Tagging you folks, may love all this "new" development

Personally i would have loved the Real predator stuff

The laser pointer in original Predator movie with Arnold was awesome along with the cloaking technology. I can tell you seeing it first time sent shivers down my whole body . Imagining beings from a advanced civilization who may have more of warrior instincts is pretty scary especially as that basic tech of something what predator has is still not mastered completely for a hi tech soldier or next gen soldiers of any country including USA. The world has laser designation but not deployed laser to blast through especially portable laser guns. The cloaking (360 degree) is still a field under research, in true sense the real "stealth". and the various wavelengths with which the helmet allowed different spectrum of lights to ascertain and detect hostiles paved way to a real far reaching sights of a possible future tech.

Sorry if its off topic, but i love the name predator and the movie nuances.. To me its one of the first movie which i felt tilted me towrads learning science more..

I like the word avenger. It'll be incomplete if we mention science and not evolution. It is quite possible there're beings from advanced civilization, it is also possible there're various evolved species. Predator represents science and avenger does evolution.

So here's the avenger.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Demand and supply are two main words in commerce. I don't see anything wrong in use of thing word if you aren't predetermined to see things in political angle. India has demand for something and US has the option to supply.



I like the word avenger. It'll be incomplete if we mention science and not evolution. It is quite possible there're beings from advanced civilization, it is also possible there're various evolved species. Predator represents science and avenger does evolution.

So here's the avenger.

AVP had descent fight but terrible story.. Predator original (with arnold) and even to some extent Predator 2 was more like watchable..

AVP on the other hand.. sad sad result to a very awesome probability of a fight between advance civilization beings in our planet.

BTW aliens cannot be more evolved than predators.. reason being aliens uses all skills of primitive hunting with focus on claws, acids and tails..
Predator is more modern and advanced due to ability to use weapons for hunting, guns and space travel via space crafts..
So logically avenger cannot be a proper term for primal aliens.. yes evolution of a species to survive is definitely there but its appearance and abilities suggest a very high temperature high pressure environment with lack of proper oxygen, abundance of poisonous gases and survival via hunting and eating.. With its shell its adapted to live in extreme conditions.

 

[Salik]

AVP had descent fight but terrible story.. Predator original (with arnold) and even to some extent Predator 2 was more like watchable..

AVP on the other hand.. sad sad result to a very awesome probability of a fight between advance civilization beings in our planet.

BTW aliens cannot be more evolved than predators.. reason being aliens uses all skills of primitive hunting with focus on claws, acids and tails..
Predator is more modern and advanced due to ability to use weapons for hunting, guns and space travel via space crafts..
So logically avenger cannot be a proper term for primal aliens.. yes evolution of a species to survive is definitely there but its appearance and abilities suggest a very high temperature high pressure environment with lack of proper oxygen, abundance of poisonous gases and survival via hunting and eating.. With its shell its adapted to live in extreme conditions.

I notice people bring off topic in threads, i bring off topic in off topic.

Anyways back to the off topic, there're two things: evolve body and evolved mind. Predator has evolved mind but it depends on external things like tools and weapons whereas avenger has evolved body, and evolved brain in that context. So it is self sufficient in its actions and doesn't need any external gadgets for defense. In that sense avenger is one step ahead of predator.

But the best combination is when body and mind both come in evolved shape and work side by side. Like that in transformers. They've talented brain and adaptable body.

 

[Oracle 33]

plainly spoken and without breaking down your argument - india is no match for China

By your logic Pakistan is no match for India but there is a philosophy called asymmetric warfare. Please ask your generals they are using this.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

By your logic Pakistan is no match for India but there is a philosophy called asymmetric warfare. Please ask your generals they are using this.

China's military capability by air and sea far supersedes your in terms of manpower and equipment and training. Several Asian nations combined cant take CHina head-on and you're talking about just india. Pakistan doesnt have the means to conquer india but we can certainly defend every inch of our territory from your armed forces anyways and any days of the week