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India, Dassault Rafale Deal Appears Stalled

Plus order 40 more mk1 tejas to the 40 ordered already. The increase tejas mk2 from 83 to 126 fighters. By 2025 iaf will have 209 tejas mk1and mk2....plus the su30 mki 270 and 100super mki...
 
Too many hiccups has become usual Business with the defense deals in India.

I hope IAF has already got some kind of contingency plan to fill the gap in the operational capabilities of IAF, if Rafael is not able to enter service as planned :unsure:
 
Fact is this govt. will NOT SIGN the deal. The defence minister lacks balls. Modiji will preside over this. Expect massive increase in defence spending as well.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?:what:
 
If the deal doesn't go through, you can bet the french aren't going to be happy about it.
 
I think the asking for the license production of the entire platform is stupid idea.Instead India should have bought the platforms off the shelf from the OEM,Dassault in this case.This practice of licence manufacturing has served us no good-we have been license producing tanks and fighters for long.Did it help us in any way when developing our own tank or fighter??Answer is No.
The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non- The practice delays induction since the government manufacture companies can not keep their promise of timely delivery resulting in delay after delay,in many cases the quality control is simply non-existent.
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Totally agree with you. India should spend less money on buying TOT and more money on basic research to develop a team of engineers. Just by study how others design things will not really help you. Its imperative to go through the trial and errors of developing something for the engineers to build up experience. So technology development or even purchase and defense needs should be kept apart from one another.
 
If the deal doesn't go through, you can bet the french aren't going to be happy about it.


Why would they be? They already ripped off the French air force and navy with Rafales that cost some 100 million bucks each. Dassault execs are multi billionaires.
 
Why would they be? They already ripped off the French air force and navy with Rafales that cost some 100 million bucks each. Dassault execs are multi billionaires.
We can criticize the Rafale all we want, but the cost is justified. The tech in the Rafale isn't cheap.
 
We can criticize the Rafale all we want, but the cost is justified. The tech in the Rafale isn't cheap.

That depends on which cost you are talking about. There have been a lot of figures appearing in the media lately. If it is 14 billion dollars as the OP's article states, then it is more than justified. Heck, I'd be ecstatic. If it is 20 billion as most other news sources state, it would be an unpleasant purchase, but necessary for the IAF. If it is closer to 30 billion, as a few articles are stating these days, then it is daylight robbery.

If the tech in Rafale is not cheap, then it had better be worth the money - something that other manufacturers don't have. If their tech is very expensive, but not very different from what others have, then their product is a failure. Russian tech is getting as good, and in some areas, better than what the Rafale fields, for a lot less money. If Rafale costs are as outrageous as it seems, then a purchase of super-MKIs with tech developed for Su-35, and an AESA should make better sense from India's POV. The savings would be immense - not just for the upfront cost, but also for training and facilities and spares and other logistics. The costs saved can be ploughed into more AEWACS and LCAs, and that might lead to a more powerful air force.

Consider the fact that an Indian made AEWACS only costs as much as two Rafales. Do Rafales bring anything so revolutionary that MKIs with full and assured AEWACS backing cannot do? We could equip every squadron of the air force with an AEWACS, instead of this gold plated bird. Or, more reasonably, equip every two squadrons with an AEWACS and manufacture 126 MKIs and 100 more LCAs to obviate the necessity for the Rafale. Or simply purchase some 100 F-35s for the same money, which would actually bring game changing technology that MKIs or Rafales or other 4.5 gen fighters cannot.

Anyway we don't really know what the cost is going to be. I really hope it stays within reasonable limits.
 
What if Modi loose the election?

Taht can only happen if he gets killed. In which case Congress will get 20 - 30 seats. BJP gets power and a more brutal guy called Rajnath Singh comes to power.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?:what:

Deal will not be signed until after elections. However massive budget increase expected ( New procurements line up in April.)
 
Deal will not be signed until after elections. However massive budget increase expected ( New procurements line up in April.)

Your previous statement almost sounded like BJP has already announced a major spike in Defence spending if they come to power. Hope you weren't meaning it that way.
 
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