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India counters 55 countries OIC meeting in Pakistan with their own 5 countries get together.

I bet most of us don’t even know where exactly these countries exist on the map…..
except Uzbekistan and Tajikistan I don’t know where the other three countries are.


OIC moot was confirmed like 2 weeks back while India's meet with these cerntral asian countries was planned months back... it was natural for them to attend India's .. it doesn't matter... India can never replace Pakistan when it comes to relations with CA countries .. any trade, any connection to central asia has to be done via Pakistan .. if India wants so.. so please chill!!!
 
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Turkey and China hope to have greater influence in the central Asian countries, and that will increasingly take the CARs out of the traditional Russian orientation, especially once the generation of soviet era leaders are replaced with people that came of age in a post soviet Central Asia. I think India is just keeping its foot wedged in the door, so that if the tide turns it can swoop in and do what it can for its own interests. But the change in government in Kabul and the Russian loss of an appetite to oppose them for the time being won’t really help India’s options, except maybe economically. These countries can’t really afford to turn down any economic offers, the way the global economy is going and the relative geographical isolation of these countries.

Tajikistan is the only country amongst the Central Asia republics to be steadfastly with India, for its own ethno-political reasons.

Central Asian Turkish countries need to sail to the open seas. The most permanent and powerful way to this is the Gwadar-centered China-Pakistan economic corridor. Turkey could supports this in anyway because a strong central asia also serves Turkey's interests.

Pakistan has the potential to radically change Asian geopolitics beyond just creating an alternative economic corridor to China. What will untie the knot is Afghanistan, Pakistan's achilles tendon.
 
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By this act, India has again proven the allegation that she is fundamentally a "spoiler" of peace in Afghanistan. :p:
 
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Amusing that Pakistanis don't even know the names of it's five Central Asian neighbours, which incidentally are also part of the OIC. Anyway, the Central Asian republics chose to send their FMs to India and some low level clerk to the "55-member OIC" speaks a lot of it's importance!
Amusing that Pakistanis don't even know the names of it's five Central Asian neighbours, which incidentally are also part of the OIC. Anyway, the Central Asian republics chose to send their FMs to India and some low level clerk to the "55-member OIC" speaks a lot of it's importance!
The FMs of Saudi Arabia Turkey Iran Malaysia all are at Pakistan OIC meeting and dumb sanghis dancing on second tear 4 countries meeting
Who can't even trade with India without involving Pakistan Afghanistan transit
 
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The FMs of Saudi Arabia Turkey Iran Malaysia all are at Pakistan OIC meeting and dumb sanghis dancing on second tear 4 countries meeting
Who can't even trade with India without involving Pakistan Afghanistan transit
Because unlike some special breed, "dumb" sanghis know FMs of SA, Turkey, Iran, Malaysia need not come to India - Central Asia Dialogue. :victory1:
 
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While the world is talking about feeding hungry Afghans living below the poverty line, this inferiority filled country had its own d* measuring competition going on. Hey India, well done and congratulations for earning a humiliation. I hope you're feeling stronger now. No?
 
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Because unlike some special breed, "dumb" sanghis know FMs of SA, Turkey, Iran, Malaysia need not come to India - Central Asia Dialogue. :victory1:
Yeah it was a desperate face saving attempt by India, ever since India was booted out of afghanistan she has been doing these silly antics to catch attention
 
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I bet most of us don’t even know where exactly these countries exist on the map…..
except Uzbekistan and Tajikistan I don’t know where the other three countries are.




india is like that socially retarded kid that never gets invited to the big party , decides to go to wall mart and buy and some dolls and makes a party with them...



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Because unlike some special breed, "dumb" sanghis know FMs of SA, Turkey, Iran, Malaysia need not come to India - Central Asia Dialogue. :victory1:
How India gonna trade co-op without Pakistan and Afghanistan in-between dumb sanghi??
 
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I bet most of us don’t even know where exactly these countries exist on the map…..
except Uzbekistan and Tajikistan I don’t know where the other three countries are.



Hahahahaha

The real quet is that how many support is getting by Pakistan against India on kashmir even being a Muslim national and part of OIC...


Let me guess..... Max 5-6
 
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Amusing that Pakistanis don't even know the names of it's five Central Asian neighbours, which incidentally are also part of the OIC. Anyway, the Central Asian republics chose to send their FMs to India and some low level clerk to the "55-member OIC" speaks a lot of it's importance!
here comes the self praising and chest thumping bakht again. trying to counter the OIC meeting with 5 (not so important) countries. keep joking we are loving it.
 
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Almost all of these countries are communist dictatorships. They suppress Muslims and anything Islamic and hence natural friends of India .

You are incorrect on the underlined so I must inform you on two things :

1. The 'stan countries may be authoritarian but they are not Communist. I being a Communist will know if they are. And Communism as an ideology has nothing to do with authoritarianism.

2. Of all the older religions it is Islam that is closest to modern Communism. The spirit of Islam is left-wing / Socialist / almost Communist. I quote the below from a 2016 thread of mine whose OP is an article by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist thought and activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :
During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.

Understandably, Parvez was right away attacked by conservative Islamic scholars and political outfits.

But this didn’t stop famous Muslim philosopher and poet, Muhammad Iqbal, to befriend the young scholar and then introduce him to the future founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Jinnah appointed Parvez to edit a magazine, Talu-e-Islam. It was set-up to propagate the creation of a separate Muslim country and to also answer the attacks that Jinnah’s All India Muslim League had begun to face from conservative Islamic parties and ulemawho accused the League of being a pseudo-Muslim organisation and Jinnah for being too westernised and ‘lacking correct Islamic behavior.’

Apart from continuing to author books and commentaries on the Qu’ran, Parvez wrote a series of articles in Talu-e-Islam that propagated a more socialistic view of the holy book.

In a series of essays for the magazine he used verses from the Qu’ran, incidents from the faith’s history and insights from the writings of Muhammad Iqbal to claim:

The clergy and conservative ulema have hijacked Islam.

They are agents of the rich people and promoters of uncontrolled Capitalism.

Socialism best enforces Qur’anic dictums on property, justice and distribution of wealth.

Islam’s main mission was the eradication of all injustices and cruelties from society. It was a socio-economic movement, and the Prophet was a leader seeking to put an end to the capitalist exploitation of the Quraysh merchants and the corrupt bureaucracy of Byzantium and Persia.

According to the Qur’an, Muslims have three main responsibilities: seeing, hearing and sensing through the agency of the mind. Consequently, real knowledge is based on empirically verifiable observation, or through the role of science.

Poverty is the punishment of God and deserved by those who ignore science.

In Muslim/Islamic societies, science, as well as agrarian reform should play leading roles in developing an industrialised economy.

A socialist path is a correction of the medieval distortion of Islam through Shari’a.
The article's beginning is this :
Between the 1950s and early 1970s, a powerful ideology in the Muslim world galvanised itself from the minds and fringes of modern Islamic intellectualism and made its way into the mainstream political arena.

But this ideology did not have a single originator. Its roots can be found amongst the works of Muslim thinkers and ideologues in South and East Asia, Africa and in various Middle Eastern (Arab) countries.

Also, once it began being adopted by mainstream leaders and political outfits, it was expressed through multiple names. But today, each one of these names and terms are slotted under a single definitional umbrella: Islamic Socialism.

Roots and Trees

Though one can struggle to pinpoint the exact starting point (or points) from where the many ideas that became associated with Islamic Socialism emerged, historians and intellectuals, Sami A. Hanna and Hanif Ramay – who specialised in critiquing and compiling a dialectic history of Islamic Socialism – are of the view that one of the very first expressions of Islamic Socialism appeared in Russia in the late 19th and early 20th century.

A movement of Muslim farmers, peasants and petty-bourgeoisie in the Russian state of Tatartan opposed the Russian monarchy but was brutally crushed.

In the early 2oth century, the movement went underground and began working with communist, socialist and social democratic forces operating in Russia to overthrow the monarchy.

The leaders of the Muslim movement, that became to be known as the Waisi began explaining themselves as Islamic Socialists when a leftist revolution broke out against the Russian monarchy in 1906.

During the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution that finally toppled and eliminated the Russian monarchy and imposed communist rule in the country, the Waisi fell in with the Bolsheviks and supported Russian revolutionary leader, Vladimir Lenin’s widespread socialist program and policies.

However, after Lenin’s death in 1924, the Waisi began to assert that the Muslim community and its socialism in Tatartan were a separate entity from the Bolshevik communism.

The movement that had formed its own communes became a victim of Stalin’s radical purges of the 1930s and was wiped out.

One is not quite sure how the Waisi defined their socialism in a country where (after 1917) atheism had become the state-enforced creed. It was left to a group of influential thinkers and ideologues in South Asia and the Middle East to finally get down to giving a more coherent and doctrinal shape to Islamic Socialism.

Islamic scholar, Ubaidullah Sindhi, who was born into a Sikh family (in Sialkot but converted to Islam), was also an agitator against the British in India.

Chased by the authorities during the First World War, Sindhi escaped to Kabul, and from Kabul he traveled to Russia where he witnessed the unfolding of the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

He stayed in Russia till 1923 and spent most of his time discussing politics and ideology with communist revolutionaries and studying socialism.

Impressed by the chants of economic equality and justice during the violent revolution, Sindhi, who remained being a Deobandi Sunni Muslim, dismissed communism/Marxism’s emphasis on atheism.

From Russia Sindhi traveled to Turkey and it was from Istanbul that he began to give shape to his ideas of Islamic Socialism through a series of writings especially aimed at the Muslims of India.

He urged Muslims ‘to evolve for themselves a religious basis to arrive at the economic justice at which communism aims but which it cannot fully achieve.’

The reason he gave for this was that though he saw both Islamic and Communist economic philosophies similar regarding their emphasis on the fair distribution of wealth, socialism if imposed with the help of a more theistic and spiritual dimension would be more beneficial to the peasant and the working classes than atheistic communism.
Please read the rest of the long article and the subsequent discussion on the thread.
 
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Amusing that Pakistanis don't even know the names of it's five Central Asian neighbours, which incidentally are also part of the OIC. Anyway, the Central Asian republics chose to send their FMs to India and some low level clerk to the "55-member OIC" speaks a lot of it's importance!

Saudi, Iranian, Turkish, Malaysian, Indonesian (i dont know the rest) foreign ministers were in Islamabad. The biggest and most influential Muslims countries in the world. Besides the main agenda, they were having bilateral discussions as well in Islamabad.

Modi has reduced you rat-Indians to take pleasure in hosting 5 countries? :D
 
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