India Could Soon Set Up A Military Base In Oman

[SALMAN F]

An Indian user (hiding under a UK flag) was (out of nowhere) writing nonsense about non-existing bad treatment (outside of a few bad apples - cases that are blown up) in the midst of a ocean of millions of expat workers from all corners of the world, while the ground realities show that those workers are much better off than back home, not only economically, and that people from nations whose compatriots actually use millions of their own compatriots as slave labor, should not even mention such topics. It's like a murderer (serial murder) giving lessons of morality to an occasional bully or brawler.

Frankly speaking (I am being completely honest and I know that I am not voicing such opinions "at home" but in potentially "hostile waters") but I am tired of this crying and empty morality. No sane or informed Arab is going to buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Pakistan

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/region/asia-pacific/

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/index/

Just stop.

@SALMAN F check this discussion out bro if you want a laugh. I am calling it a day.

Did you get my reply?
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/trump-cuts-military-support-to-algeria-over-jerusalem.538548/page-2

Well this thread is about Oman and India I don't know why a pakistani Shia have to do with it?

 

[Kaniska]

An Indian user (hiding under a UK flag) was (out of nowhere) writing nonsense about non-existing bad treatment (outside of a few bad apples - cases that are blown up) in the midst of a ocean of millions of expat workers from all corners of the world, while the ground realities show that those workers are much better off than back home, not only economically, and that people from nations whose compatriots actually use millions of their own compatriots as slave labor, should not even mention such topics. It's like a murderer (serial murder) giving lessons of morality to an occasional bully or brawler.

Frankly speaking (I am being completely honest and I know that I am not voicing such opinions "at home" but in potentially "hostile waters") but I am tired of this crying and empty morality. No sane or informed Arab is going to buy it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Pakistan

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/region/asia-pacific/

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/index/

Just stop.

@SALMAN F check this discussion out bro if you want a laugh. I am calling it a day.

Although your post is little bit insulting, i am not going to counter it..It is also a fact that you are correct to most of your assumption...Again, i am not sure which Indian under some flag you are referring to..I thought I am the only Indian here provideing a rational perspective for our views on Gulf nations...If any one is pretending to be Indian and supporting this news, then feel free to individually counter him...

Again, i repeat it, people who are migrant to other nation, should not expect the same treatment as they get at home...This is the risk every migrant should be aware about it....Same goes for people who are doing job in your country...I always admire Gulf nations for providing opportunity so many people of my country to earn their living and also proper in their career...Bad apples are their in each society...Those incidents and example should be set as an parameter to create perception between different nations...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

South Asia is even more humid.

South Asia does not have "a" climate. For instance Jacobabad in Pakistan is one of the driest places on earth. Most of Pakistan is semi-arid to arid region. On the other hand some parts of India are the wettest regions on earth. Karachi the largest city in Pakistan is mostly dry desert.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Although your post is little bit insulting, i am not going to counter it..It is also a fact that you are correct to most of your assumption...Again, i am not sure which Indian under some flag you are referring to..I thought I am the only Indian here provideing a rational perspective for our views on Gulf nations...If any one is pretending to be Indian and supporting this news, then feel free to individually counter him...

Again, i repeat it, people who are migrant to other nation, should not expect the same treatment as they get at home...This is the risk every migrant should be aware about it....Same goes for people who are doing job in your country...I always admire Gulf nations for providing opportunity so many people of my country to earn their living and also proper in their career...Bad apples are their in each society...Those incidents and example should be set as an parameter to create perception between different nations...

There is a HUGE difference between occasional bad apples, bullies and brawlers and then in comparison the ground realities that not I but leading experts on modern slavery (check my links) expose in countries like India and Pakistan. So if you are insulted by the truth, this is your problem, not mine.

I am never going to even remotely agree with something that is not the truth (that expats in the GCC are living a horrible life) when all statistics show otherwise. If that was even remotely the case people (here we are talking about well over 10 million only the US and Russia are comparable examples and maybe China) would be desperate to travel to GCC on a weekly/daily basis from well-educated people wanting to earn some quick money to the poorest and most unskilled worker who used to work for free for his landlord back home or some Indian untouchable.

I even know people born and bred in the West of Arab and South Asian origin who educate themselves in the West and other wards try to go to the GCC in order to work and earn more money than they could anywhere else with their experience.

So excuse me or try at least to understand why I find it hard to take this character assassination of Arabs seriously when I look at the ground realities in South Asia. Totally different worlds. Even more so, I know how Indian and Pakistani businessmen in the GCC are using their own countrymen and other South Asians for their own benefits to make matters even worse.

So please don't lecture. There are issues in both places (GCC and South Asia) but in my mind and that of actual experts on the field, there is no comparison. And have something absolutely CRUCIAL in mind here as well. Expats in the GCC are guests. Not citizens. GCC countries do not owe them anything. Did not promise them anything other than a work, legal stay and everything this entails. Did not promise citizenship (I doubt that India or Pakistan are giving out citizenships to foreigners as easily as some Western countries used to do) or benefits. Meanwhile actual citizens in South Asia, are being used as modern-day slaves in the MILLIONS by their own countrymen. Not GCC Arabs, not Iranians, not Papuans nor Aboriginals.

I am yet to see a single South Asian user (whether Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi or elsewhere) discuss such issues (their own slavey which is 1000 times worse) but they are quick to paint all 500 million Arabs with the same brush due to a few isolated incidents by large and contrary to the ground realities. Or some geniuses comparing GCC standards with 150-200 year old democracies and well-developED (long ago) countries in the West. Or crying why Qatar for instance is not giving out citizenship to millions of foreign workers. I wonder why? Have those people ever for a second looked at the demographics? Qatar would turn into a Little Karachi or Little Mumbai or Little Dhaka within 24 hours if that was the case. Hilarious. Imagine for a second 1.2 billion Nigerians settling in Pakistan and becoming Pakistani citizens overnight. That's what it can be compared with. Absolutely hilarious. Now jump along, I have wasted enough of my time on this nonsense. The truth must be told though.

 

[The SC]

There is no story at the source link. That is what I am saying this thread is written by the OP.

https://defenceupdate.in/india-could-soon-set-up-a-military-base-in-oman-says-report/

http://bharatshakti.in/india-could-soon-set-up-a-military-base-in-oman-says-report/

 

[lastofthepatriots]

There is a HUGE difference between occasional bad apples, bullies and brawlers and then in comparison the ground realities that not I but leading experts on modern slavery (check my links) expose in countries like India and Pakistan. So if you are insulted by the truth, this is your problem, not mine.

I am never going to even remotely agree with something that is not the truth (that expats in the GCC are living a horrible life) when all statistics show otherwise. If that was even remotely the case people (here we are talking about well over 10 million only the US and Russia are comparable examples and maybe China) would be desperate to travel to GCC on a weekly/daily basis from well-educated people wanting to earn some quick money to the poorest and most unskilled worker who used to work for free for his landlord back home or some Indian untouchable.

I even know people born and bred in the West of Arab and South Asian origin who educate themselves in the West and other wards try to go to the GCC in order to work and earn more money than they could anywhere else with their experience.

So excuse me or try at least to understand why I find it hard to take this character assassination of Arabs seriously when I look at the ground realities in South Asia. Totally different worlds. Even more so, I know how Indian and Pakistani businessmen in the GCC are using their own countrymen and other South Asians for their own benefits to make matters even worse.

So please don't lecture. There are issues in both places (GCC and South Asia) but in my mind and that of actual experts on the field, there is no comparison. And have something absolutely CRUCIAL in mind here as well. Expats in the GCC are guests. Not citizens. GCC countries do not owe them anything. Did not promise them anything other than a work, legal stay and everything this entails. Did not promise citizenship (I doubt that India or Pakistan are giving out citizenships to foreigners as easily as some Western countries used to do) or benefits. Meanwhile actual citizens in South Asia, are being used as modern-day slaves in the MILLIONS by their own countrymen. Not GCC Arabs, not Iranians, not Papuans nor Aboriginals.

I am yet to see a single South Asian user (whether Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi or elsewhere) discuss such issues (their own slavey which is 1000 times worse) but they are quick to paint all 500 million Arabs with the same brush due to a few isolated incidents by large and contrary to the ground realities. Or some geniuses comparing GCC standards with 150-200 year old democracies and well-developED (long ago) countries in the West. Or crying why Qatar for instance is not giving out citizenship to millions of foreign workers. I wonder why? Have those people ever for a second looked at the demographics? Qatar would turn into a Little Karachi or Little Mumbai or Little Dhaka within 25 hours if that was the case. Hilarious. Imagine 1.2 billion Nigerians settling in Pakistan and becoming Pakistani citizens overnight. That's what it can be compared with. Absolutely hilarious. Now jump along, I have wasted enough of my time on this nonsense. The truth must be told though.

What slavery is there in Pakistan?

 

[SALMAN F]

Has to be a nonsense rumor.

In case of this being even remotely correct my sole reaction is, one Qatar is one Qatar too many.

There is absolutely no need for any foreign bases in the GCC. Not in Qatar, not in Oman.

Certain foreign policies of those smaller GCC states are becoming a liability. The people (locals) would never agree on such nonsense. It's time for KSA to incorporate those states eventually to restore law and order. No two ways about it and it will happen eventually. Naturally.

Tiny Bahrain, despite de facto being a Saudi Arabian province (as it should have been) is also hosting a UK base and a US base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Jufair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Support_Activity_Bahrain

Kuwait too. Even the French have a joint naval station in the UAE as well.

Working jointly together with allies, no problem, but what exactly is the purpose of those bases from the local (rulers) perspective?

Sure I get it, those few and rather small military bases (with the exception of Al-Udeid) are not occupying forces or a hindrance but it is a rather strange practice. Happy that KSA is not part of this "show" any longer. And I get it, even the US is present in the UK, Germany and most countries of the world but come on. At least limit it to the US. UK and France are not that relevant powers any longer. Make it worth it at least.

Omanis are the sons of the noble and powerful azd tribe one of the tribes to establish arab kingdoms like the lakhmids and ghassanids and also they supported the prophet (pbuh) the awos and khazraj they were glorified by the prophet and imam Ali


The Omanis played important rule in defeating the Safavid navy when the ottoman tasked them in the liberation of Basra with the reward of giving yearly salary from the wealth of Basra

Oman was one of the greatest naval empires they ruled the area from the Indian Ocean the Tanzania and Zanzibar in the Horn of Africa they had relations with all the influential naval empires and states like Spain,portagal, Ottoman Empire, british empire, Iran, india, china, Russia,the Americas, Africa and Southeast Asia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Zanzibar

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_bin_Na'aman_Al_Kaabi
They also sent the first arab emissary to visit the US

 

[BHarwana]

https://defenceupdate.in/india-could-soon-set-up-a-military-base-in-oman-says-report/

http://bharatshakti.in/india-could-soon-set-up-a-military-base-in-oman-says-report/

Those are Indian propaganda sources provided me with Indian main News sites because this is not a small news plus you can also provide Arab news source.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

@Saif al-Arab with respect please note the following -

• A prostitute will keep working for her pimp despite the abuse, beatings she get's daily. Even if police try to offer protection or help they will remain enslaved. The reasons are complex. Addiction, pschological or economic dependency etc etc. However the fact that the prostitute keeps going back to the pimp is not in itself a glowing proof or validation that her pimp is a good guy. In similiar way the fact that poor, desperate workers keep going to KSA despite the horrid conditions and abuse they are exposed to does not mean they have it easy in GCC. All it saus is their desperation that is being used to ride, gouge, rape these sad people whose only crime was oil did not spit out of the dirt that they were born on.
• 
  
• If the status of people was based on how they are treated or are poor from the donor country then all the British Pakistani's should be paid ten times less, have third rate legal status compared to the white population - all this could justified by "oh look how they are treated back in Pakistan".

 

[Saif al-Arab]

South Asia does not have "a" climate. For instance Jacobabad in Pakistan is one of the driest places on earth. Most of Pakistan is semi-arid to arid region. On the other hand some parts of India are the wettest regions on earth. Karachi the largest city in Pakistan is mostly dry desert.

South Asia in the imagination of Arabs and most of the world is a rather humid and green (fertile) place compared to most of the Middle East. Stating that South Asia is more humid than the GCC (which is certainly the case) is neither a wrong statement if looking at the combined landmass, population centers etc.

I am pretty sure that most of Arabia is less humid than the majority of Pakistan as well without having the data before me right now. It would not surprise me either that a coastal city like Karachi (home to what, 50% of KSA's population if not more) is much more humid than the largest city in KSA (Riyadh, almost 1000 km inland from both the Red Sea and Gulf - Arabian Sea is almost 2000 km away and the Mediterranean 1500 km away, elevation of almost 800 meters), where 20-25% of all nationals in KSA live for instance.

But yes, obviously Pakistan is not comparable to Bangladesh climate wise or Sri Lanka, that is obvious. But don't tell me that the average worker in Pakistan somewhere in Punjab in the middle of the summer is working in less challenging conditions. He/she is not.

What slavery is there in Pakistan?

I did not invent anything. Simply quoting the foremost source on modern-day slavery today which shows that there are a little bit over 20 million modern-day slaves in India (India accounts for 18 million alone) and Pakistan.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/index/

KSA in comparison (let alone the GCC) are nowhere to be fund. Even compared to other Middle Eastern states. However I get it it is fashion to blame GCC Arabs. After all oil and everything. Which does not exist in the likes of Iran, Iraq (although a so-called Gulf country itself), Algeria and TONS of other Muslim/developing nations of course and is the ONLY natural resources. Having a 200 million big population is no resource for instance.

I want to ask the TONS of Pakistani users on PDF who are based in the GCC (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi etc.) whether they are modern-day slaves as they all seem to be very active on PDF. Does not sound like the typical modern-day slave to me. Modern-day slaves that are employed and used by their own compatriots and not foreigners. Nationals and not temporary expats.

I think that poor low caste Indians or poor Pakistani villagers in the interior of Sindh for instance working their *** off for some local landlord, have it a bit worse. Or in general are a bit worse off on all fronts, especially in terms of payment. Just a little bit. Don't take it personally bro.

Somebody has to post some truthboms to end this one-sided comedy. I am the only Arab representative that bothers to do it. Somebody has to do the dirty job occasionally even in potentially hostile waters.

 

[The SC]

Those are Indian propaganda sources provided me with Indian main News sites because this is not a small news plus you can also provide Arab news source.

You said I wrote the article..was that trolling?

 

[BHarwana]

You said I wrote the article..was that trolling?

No the News is not showing in your first link you provided I checked it three times.

 

[lastofthepatriots]

South Asia in the imagination of Arabs and most of the world is a rather humid and green (fertile) place compared to most of the Middle East. Stating that South Asia is more humid than the GCC (which is certainly the case) is neither a wrong statement if looking at the combined landmass, population centers etc.

I am pretty sure that most of Arabia is less humid than the majority of Pakistan as well without having the data before me right now. It would not surprise me either that a coastal city like Karachi (home to what, 50% of KSA's population if not more) is much more humid than the largest city in KSA (Riyadh, almost 1000 km inland from both the Red Sea and Gulf - Arabian Sea is almost 2000 km away and the Mediterranean 1500 km away, elevation of almost 800 meters), where 20-25% of all nationals in KSA live for instance.

But yes, obviously Pakistan is not comparable to Bangladesh climate wise or Sri Lanka, that is obvious. But don't tell me that the average worker in Pakistan somewhere in Punjab in the middle of the summer is working in less challenging conditions. He/she is not.



I did not invent anything. Simply quoting the foremost source on modern-day slavery today which shows that there are a little bit over 20 million modern-day slaves in India (India accounts for 18 million alone) and Pakistan.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/index/

KSA in comparison (let alone the GCC) are nowhere to be fund. Even compared to other Middle Eastern states. However I get it it is fashion to blame GCC Arabs. After all oil and everything. Which does not exist in the likes of Iran, Iraq (although a so-called Gulf country itself), Algeria and TONS of other Muslim/developing nations of course and is the ONLY natural resources. Having a 200 million big population is no resource for instance.

I want to ask the TONS of Pakistani users on PDF who are based in the GCC (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi etc.) whether they are modern-day slaves as they all seem to be very active on PDF. Does not sound like the typical modern-day slave to me. Modern-day slaves that are employed and used by their own compatriots and not foreigners. Nationals and not temporary expats.

I think that poor low caste Indians or poor Pakistani villagers in the interior of Sindh for instance working their *** off for some local landlord, have it a bit worse. Or in general are a bit worse off on all fronts, especially in terms of payment. Just a little bit. Don't take it personally bro.

Somebody has to post some truthboms to end this one-sided comedy. I am the only Arab representative that bothers to do it. Somebody has to do the dirty job occasionally even in potentially hostile waters.

In Pakistan the closest thing to slavery would be in the form of human trafficking or child abduction. We do have a feudal society in some areas of Sindh, but then again they are employed and can seek other employment at any time.

 

[The SC]

No the News is not showing in your first link you provided I checked it three times.

I took the news from the website.. if you can't find it ask them.. I provided you with other sources and you are still crying..old habits die hard my friend!
Read post #2 I wrote.. you might understand that I do not believe in this news in a full extent.. the only possibility is a facility through some Omani port but no Indian base per se.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

@Saif al-Arab with respect please note the following -

• A prostitute will keep working for her pimp despite the abuse, beatings she get's daily. Even if police try to offer protection or help they will remain enslaved. The reasons are complex. Addiction, pschological or economic dependency etc etc. However the fact that the prostitute keeps going back to the pimp is not in itself a glowing proof or validation that her pimp is a good guy. In similiar way the fact that poor, desperate workers keep going to KSA despite the horrid conditions and abuse they are exposed to does not mean they have it easy in GCC. All it saus is their desperation that is being used to ride, gouge, rape these sad people whose only crime was oil did not spit out of the dirt that they were born on.
• 
  
• If the status of people was based on how they are treated or are poor from the donor country then all the British Pakistani's should be paid ten times less, have third rate legal status compared to the white population - all this could justified by "oh look how they are treated back in Pakistan".

Your "speech" is all nice and everything if it was even remotely representative of the actual ground reality or even remotely compared to the ground realities within South Asia itself, this includes Pakistan, as I clearly have proven for even the blind to see, I am afraid. A lot of empty words and no statistics or proof of this reality that you have constructed for the 6-7 million or so South Asian expats in the GCC. Mainly KSA as KSA is well ahead the likes of Qatar and Kuwait on this front and in a positive way.

Sure, every expat is abused in the GCC because you have watched 5-6 videos of sporadic apples abusing some expats (without the context shown) while we all know that 1) this is not even remotely representative (once again a good example is taking the 100 or something PDF users based in the GCC on PDF as a measure stock) and when the ground realities back home are even worse and that abuse is done by no other than South Asians themselves on their own compatriots and nationals. Citizens who were born and breed in their native lands.

If the GCC was such a bad place, can you explain to me why South Asian business (this includes Pakistanis) are only found bigger and more thriving (overall) in the GCC than Pakistan itself.

And please don't compare the GCC with the UK (150-200 year old democracy whose entire wealth is built on their empire - no need to elaborate more) or the fact that people from former UK colonies have it easier to become citizens of the UK (or at least had it easier) than say an average Nigerian worker trying to work in South Asia or some Sindhi laborer in KSA. A totally different universe.

BTW let's forget that those evil GCC Arabs are feeding millions of Pakistani families and helping send billions upon billions of remittances back home to Pakistan. Probably much more than what the Pakistani state gets in return in taxes from the 200 million locals (small number, I know, can't imagine KSA with 200 million people and what kind of tax income the government could get if using an effective system).